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Most Americans in Lebanon Are Hezbollah Supporters
debbieschlussel.com ^ | July 18, 2006 | Debbie Schlussel

Posted on 07/18/2006 10:58:12 AM PDT by BigFinn

One thing is lost in all the press coverage of the whining Americans who went to Lebanon of their own accord and now want us to pick up the tab to get them out.

THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS IN LEBANON ARE HEZBOLLAH SUPPORTERS.

Most of them are Shiite Muslims, many of whom hold dual U.S. and Lebanese citizenship. Many are anchor babies born here to Muslims in the U.S. illegally. Some are illegal aliens who became citizens through rubber-stamping Citizenship and Immigration Services (and its INS predecessor) coupled with political pressure by spineless politicians.

Of the 25,000 American citizens and green-card holders in Lebanon, at least 7,000 are from Dearborn, Michigan, the heart of Islamic America, and especially Shia Islam. These 7,000 are mostly Shi'ite Muslims who openly and strongly support Hezbollah. Ditto for many of the rest of the 25,000 that are there.

Many of the 7,000 plus Detroiters in Lebanon are active in Dearborn's Bint Jbeil cultural center (the Lebanese American Heritage Club also features mostly Hezbollah fans). Bint Jbeil is a Hezbollah-dominated city in the South of Lebanon, a frequent destination of Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, who is very at home there. Bint Jbeil is a frequent source of shellings on Northern Israel.

Bint Jbeil natives now living in our country so strongly support Hezbollah that they got Republican Congressman Joe Knollenberg (and his then top staffer, Paul Welday) and then-U.S. Senator Spencer Abraham to give Hezbollah forces in Southern about $86 million of our tax money, no strings.

Given this information, and the fact that several Shi'ite Muslim Lebanese U.S. citizens from Dearborn have been indicted and/or convicted of laundering money to Hezbollah, is it a good idea to rush to bring 25,000 such persons back to the U.S. at a time when Hezbollah is at war against our strongest U.S. ally? Does the fact, that Hezbollah numerous times--and especially now--has announced veiled and not-so-veiled intentions to attack Americans on U.S. soil, make the case to quickly bring these terror-sympathizing Americans back to U.S. soil? Many are individuals whose activity should have mandated prosecution and jail-time. But they are free because a spineless U.S. Attorney, Stephen Murphy III, and equally weak federal law enforcement chiefs of Michigan FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) who pander to them.

These are people who hold U.S. citizenship but support a group that murdered over 300 U.S. Marines and civilians, some through torture; a group that is part of the Al-Qaeda network; a group that is training insurgent terrorists against our troops in Iraq and giving them IEDs to blow them up; a group that worked with Qaeda to bomb the Khobar Towers. Americans who support this group are not American. They merely possess the proper paperwork.

And they are very dangerous. One of them, Lola Elzein--a student at the University of Michigan-Dearborn and an officer of the Hezbollah-supporting Arab American PAC--threatened my life and that of my family members because I've written about the group's Detroit-area's extremist Hezbollah sympathizers. Hezbollah's violence has already arrived in America, and we don't need to pay to transport 25,000 of its sympathizers back to our shores.

Wile the government has announced it will charge these individuals for the expensive transport out of Lebanon to Cyprus back to the U.S., they feds say they will accept IOUs for that transport. Think we'll get the money back? Just ask the Katrina aid administrators.

Do you want your tax dollars to subsidize Hezbollah supporters' return to America? Are these the kind of U.S. citizens we badly need back in our country at this time?

Should Hezbollah supporters be transported on a ship named for one of the most heroic events in U.S. history, the U.S.S Iwo Jima? Should U.S. tax dollars fund the charter of commercial ships to transport the rest of these terror-sympathizers?

The instant answer from all freedom-loving Americans to these questions should be a loud "NO."

These people went to Hezbollah-dominated Lebanon of their own accord. And they were safe there because they support the terrorist group. Now, their fortune has changed. Tough.

It is not the responsibility of U.S. taxpayers to rescue terrorist-supporters who voluntarily went to a dangerous area . . . just because their whines are loud and annoying.

We are picking up the tab for this unfortunate rescue. U.S. funds used to rescue terrorist-sympathizers--YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.

So is America too slow to get these undesirable U.S. citizens out of Lebanon? On the contrary, not slow enough.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel
KEYWORDS: aliens; debbieschlussel; expats; hezbollah; hezbullies; illegalimmigrants; immigration; israel; mohammedanism072006; schlussel; sympathizers
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1 posted on 07/18/2006 10:58:14 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: BigFinn

I am not sure why we are evacuating them. I certainly don't want them here.


2 posted on 07/18/2006 11:01:58 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: BigFinn

Yeah, I saw some of these "Americans" interviewed the past few days. Probably cheered Hezbollah's murder of 241 U.S. Marines. (if they were adults at the time).


3 posted on 07/18/2006 11:02:11 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: BigFinn
THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS IN LEBANON ARE HEZBOLLAH SUPPORTERS.

Yes, but they support the troops, right?

4 posted on 07/18/2006 11:02:37 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: Brilliant

I suspect that some of the time to begin this evacuation was spent in doing checks on those wanting out. At least I hope so.


5 posted on 07/18/2006 11:04:12 AM PDT by twigs
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To: BigFinn

Jeez. You learn something new and horrible every day.

More and more information coming out as to the people the US has allowed into this country --- reckless and arrogant and maybe terrorist-sympathising.

How do we get rid of a.) State dep't ICE and others who let this happen and b) the Lebanese you speak of?

There was a Lebanese American on the thread that was addressed to Reb 2. He mentioned being at home in his home (Lebanese)village and yet was American. Wasn't concerned about being evacuated.


7 posted on 07/18/2006 11:04:20 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Darkwolf377

No, actually they support the Hezbollah troops, but they don't support the Hezbollah mission. LOL


8 posted on 07/18/2006 11:05:36 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: BigFinn

Who is Debbie Schlussel?


9 posted on 07/18/2006 11:06:01 AM PDT by mhx
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To: BigFinn
Most Americans in Lebanon Are Hezbollah Supporters

And they are upset, that living alongside terrorists has suddenly become more dangerous than living among their victims.

10 posted on 07/18/2006 11:06:12 AM PDT by marron
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To: Darkwolf377
THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS IN LEBANON ARE HEZBOLLAH SUPPORTERS

Can I question their patriotism now?

11 posted on 07/18/2006 11:06:52 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: mhx

Conservative radio talk show host and columnist.


12 posted on 07/18/2006 11:07:28 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: BigFinn
Thanks for information.

I was wracking my brain trying to figure out why 25,000 US citizens would have any possible reason to be in Lebanon.

13 posted on 07/18/2006 11:07:29 AM PDT by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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To: BigFinn

I will state this bluntly- most Arab Americans are not really Americans. American-ness is a state of the mind, and has nothing to do with possessing a little black book with the picture of a bald eagle.


14 posted on 07/18/2006 11:07:35 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: BigFinn
Bint Jbeil natives now living in our country so strongly support Hezbollah that they got Republican Congressman Joe Knollenberg (and his then top staffer, Paul Welday) and then-U.S. Senator Spencer Abraham to give Hezbollah forces in Southern about $86 million of our tax money, no strings.

Can you elaborate on that? Sorry, but I hadn't heard about that before.

15 posted on 07/18/2006 11:07:59 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: mhx
Conservative political commentator, radio talk show host, columnist, and attorney
16 posted on 07/18/2006 11:08:19 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: BigFinn
LOL, liberals/MSM behave like clockwork.

They squawk about that the US gov should pay for these evacs........

In six months they will be whining about how much FRAUD occurred.
17 posted on 07/18/2006 11:09:23 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: BigFinn

I made a comment on Sunday about this situation and got flamed by several people. I still think that a lot of people put themselves in harm's way. There was a state department warning about US citizens traveling to Lebanon as far back as May. People who are there on vacation and are now complaining that the "Administration" did not get them out immediately need to bear some responsibility for the situation they now find themselves in. They were warned.


18 posted on 07/18/2006 11:09:25 AM PDT by Merry
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To: BigFinn

thank you for posting this.

If I were in charge of those evacuation ships, I'd order double duty on body searches.


19 posted on 07/18/2006 11:09:29 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: BigFinn

Quite frankly I doubt the report. An awful lot of Americans with ties to Lebanon and dual citizenship are Christians who emigrated to escape persecution or pursue the American dream, but still have family back in the Old Country, and return to visit when times are peaceful. There are also a lot of Americans who go there because of church ties: the Maronite Patriarch is in Lebanon and the Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch's seminary is in Lebanon.


20 posted on 07/18/2006 11:09:30 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: BigFinn

Great post! I understand Ms. Schlussel speaks Arabic, too...


21 posted on 07/18/2006 11:11:26 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: mhx

From her website....specifically her bio






Debbie Schlussel

DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL:
Conservative political commentator, radio talk show host, columnist, and attorney

Debbie Schlussel says the best article ever written about her (by Detroit Free Press reporter Julie Hinds) captures what she's about in a nutshell. Read it here.

Schlussel's unique expertise on radical Islam/Islamic terrorism and a host of other issues make her a popular speaker and television and radio news talk show guest, both nationally & internationally. (Her online fan club is the Internet’s second largest for a political personality--behind only Ann Coulter.) She is a University of Michigan graduate and holds both Law and MBA degrees from the University of Wisconsin.

As both an attorney and a frequent New York Post and Jerusalem Post columnist, Schlussel's writings/commentary on radical Islam and her legal actions against radical Islamic parties have gotten a great deal of attention -- and results. Columns she's written in the New York Post and appearances she’s made on "O'Reilly Factor":

* caused FBI Director Robert Mueller to revoke an award to an American citizen who was a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorist and was involved with a group with Al-Qaeda and Hamas ties (October 2003);

* caused Caribou Coffee to have its worst financial quarter ever, when Schlussel exposed the coffee chains radical Islamic ownership and leadership of Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi (a supporter of homicide bombings), and caused Starbucks to have its best quarter, when Schlussel exposed the radical Muslim boycott of the Jewish-led chain (June/July 2002). Caribou Coffee's then-CEO, Don Dempsey, credited Schlussel with driving down sales and profits at his national coffee chain by calling him to the mat on Qaradawi, and her work on this issue was cited in Newsweek and Business Forward magazines;

* exposed Detroit's U.S. Attorney (the Justice Department's chief official in the heart of Islamic America), his secret dealings with Hamas money-launderers and terrorists the U.S. government had fought to deport (November 2003), and his efforts to overturn a guilty verdict against members of Detroit's Al-Qaeda sleeper cell and set them free (December 2003); and

* exposed billionaire hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons and his Hip-Hop Summit Action Network's political/voter registration efforts on behalf of not only Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, but also radical Palestinian and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel activists and groups.

In 2002, radical Muslim University of Michigan Regent Candidate, Ismael Ahmed, credited Schlussel for his election defeat--when she exposed his tax-funded Arab organization’s financial and moral support of Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists.

In 1998, Schlussel went undercover, dressed as a religious Muslim woman, to the Islamic Center of America, North America's largest mosque, and reported, in The Detroit News on its support for terrorism, and anti-American, anti-Semitic hate. She was interviewed and quoted by Rolling Stone about the mosque and its radical imam, Hassan Qazwini, who is frequently consulted by President Bush and was invited to his Crawford, Texas ranch. Qazwini was embarrassed by the radical speakers and anti-Semitic hate he fostered in his mosque, and refused to address it in newspaper interviews. Schlussel was even attacked for her work on terrorism by movie critic Roger Ebert in a 2005 syndicated movie review.

Schlussel, who speaks Hebrew, Arabic, French, and Russian, works closely with several Federal law enforcement agencies, consulting on fighting the domestic War on Terrorism, and has provided them with much useful information. She has gone undercover, infiltrating many Muslim organizations in the Detroit area (the heart of Islamic America), exposing their radical nature and support for terrorism. Schlussel continues to represent a very valuable Muslim confidential informant to several federal government agencies, who has been responsible for putting hundreds with terrorism connections behind bars. She also represented several whistleblowers who exposed terrorist operations now under investigation.

Schlussel was also the first journalist/columnist to expose Indicted Islamic Jihad frontman, Sami Al-Arian's visits to the Bush White House and photos with President Bush, as well as his campaign contributions to prominent U.S. Congressmen, including House International Relations Chairman Henry Hyde. Al-Arian blamed Schlussel (because of her series of columns on Al-Arian in 2001) and FOX News Channel's Bill O'Reilly (on whose show Schlussel appeared, in October 2001, regarding Al-Arian) for his dismissal from the University of South Florida.

As an attorney, Schlussel represented University of Michigan students in a lawsuit against the University when it hosted Al-Arian as a speaker at a radical conference (a conference urging divestment from Israel) on campus, exposing him and other radical speakers, and putting them and their supporters on campus on the defensive.

You can read her popular twice-weekly online column, "Debbie Does Politics," on the Internet, at www.PoliticalUSA.com, where she is a Contributor/Columnist and her own website, debbieschlussel.com. Schlussel is also a frequent New York Post, Jerusalem Post, and Vancouver Province columnist. Her columns have often been read on the air by Rush Limbaugh, on whom she broke the Monday Night Football story. Schlussel's columns have also frequently appeared on the Knight-Ridder Newswire and in several major newspapers, including The Washington Times, The New York Post, The Jerusalem Post, The Detroit News, Detroit Free Press, Wisconsin State Journal. She has also written columns for FOXNews.com.

Schlussel has often been quoted in quoted in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Newsweek, Rolling Stone, USA Today, New York Post, New York Daily News, New York Newsday, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, Miami Herald, Sports Business Daily, The Washington Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia Daily News, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Indianapolis Star, Seattle Post Intelligencer, Kansas City Star, The Arizona Republic, San Jose Mercury News, The Austin Statesman, The Wisconsin State Journal, Charlotte Observer, National Post of Canada, McLean’s of Canada, Daily Telegraph of London, The Guardian U.K., The Vancouver Province, The Jerusalem Post, The Age of Australia, The Irish Times, The Irish Examiner, Associated Press, Knight-Ridder Wire, CanWest Global Wire, Golf World, CNN.com, and many other mainstream press publications.

Attacked as "Enemy #1" by Ms. Magazine ("Women to Watch . . . and Watch Out For," February/March 2001), Schlussel is a frequent guest on ABC's "Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher," CBS' "Early Show," FOX News Channel's "O'Reilly Factor," "Hannity & Colmes," "FOX News Live," "Beyond the News," and "Judith Regan Tonight," Comedy Central's "The Daily Show," MSNBC's "Hardball with Chris Matthews," "Buchanan & Press," "The Abrams Report with Dan Abrams," "Scarborough Country," and "MSNBC Live," CNN's "Crossfire," "Talk Back Live" and "Weekend Wrap," C-SPAN's "Washington Journal," ESPN's "Outside the Lines," FOX Sports Net's "Best Damn Sports Show Period," and the Nationally Syndicated "America’s Black Forum" (hosted by NFL on FOX's James Brown).

The Hotline, politics' and talk shows' most influential newsletter and online website, called Schlussel a "rising GOP pundit," and The Hotline's influential former columnist (and current "Hardball" producer) Howard Mortman wrote in his "Extreme Mortman" column that Schlussel is "one of the fastest rising young TV pundits today." The site's webcast of Schlussel was The Hotline's most viewed webcast ever.

In 2002-2003, Schlussel was the host of her own show, “The Debbie Schlussel Show,” on 97.1 FM, Detroit’s FM Talk Station (Infinity/CBS)--#1 in its time-slot. A regular on the nationally syndicated “The Howard Stern Show” (audience: 20 million every morning), Schlussel has frequently appeared on National Public Radio’s “All Things Considered,” the Sean Hannity, Mitch Albom, Larry Elder, and Tom Leykis nationally syndicated radio shows, ESPN Radio, Sporting News Radio, and has been a frequent contributor to nationally syndicated FOX Sports Radio.

On Election Night 2000 through 2001, Schlussel was the political analyst for Detroit’s CBS and UPN Television affiliates, and was a regular political commentator on the weekly series, “Flashpoint,” on Detroit’s NBC affiliate, WDIV-TV. In the past, Schlussel was a daily political commentator on the nationally syndicated (in 23 states) morning radio show, “Mancow’s Morning Madhouse,” a top Chicago morning show, where she successfully predicted John McCain’s win of the Michigan Republican Primary.

The granddaughter of immigrant Holocaust survivors, Schlussel’s mother was born in the former Nazi concentration of Bergen Belsen in Germany, and her father is a Vietnam-era Army Veteran. A frequent speaker at conservative, pro-Israel, and Jewish conferences, gatherings, college campuses, and events around the U.S. Schlussel was a featured speaker at the 2004 National Board Meeting of JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs), 2004 National Conference of the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), 2001 and 2002 NRA Annual Meetings, 2002 Alpha Epsilon Pi (AEPi) Fraternity National Convention, and 2000 Toward Tradition Conference.

In 1988, Schlussel was the youngest female and youngest Jewish delegate to the Republican National Convention, a National Youth Vice Chairman of George H. W. Bush’s 1988 Presidential campaign, and a Youth Chairman of his 1989 Inauguration. An avid athlete who works out regularly, Schlussel won several medals in tennis, track and cross country running in the 1984 Maccabi Games (the Junior Jewish Olympics). In 1985, she was a finalist to represent the U.S. in tennis at the Maccabiah Games (Jewish Olympics) in Israel.

Schlussel worked for Fred Barnes, Editor of The Weekly Standard Magazine, host of FOX’s “Beltway Boys,” and Mort Kondracke, also of the “Beltway Boys” when Barnes and Kondracke were Senior Editors of The New Republic. Schlussel also worked in Washington for several Congressmen—including Rep. Phil Crane, Chairman of the powerful House Trade Subcommittee.

A lifelong conservative Republican activist, at the age of 21 and with all odds against her, Schlussel ran for the Michigan House of Representatives from the suburban Detroit area and lost by just one vote, the closest election in Michigan political history. In 1986-’87, Schlussel was awarded the title of “Outstanding Teen Age Republican in the Nation” and was honored by President Ronald Reagan. You can often hear or read Schlussel’s insightful commentary on various political and sports-related issues in many publications and on many major radio and television stations in many major-market cities.

Schlussel has literally worked on campaigns for conservative Republican candidates since she was in the sixth grade, when she worked on Ronald Reagan’s first campaign for President. A long-time member of Mensa, the high IQ society, Schlussel was a National Merit Scholar Finalist. She is the only female member of the Advisory Board of the Motor City Bowl, an NCAA Division I college football bowl game, played at the Pontiac Silverdome and Ford Field and has been featured in both “Who’s Who of Outstanding Young Americans” and “Who’s Who of Executives.”


22 posted on 07/18/2006 11:12:08 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme (Yes, I love asterisks...errrr.... Astras, that is.)
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To: Darkwolf377

But do we really have an obligation to extricate them from Lebanon?

Why, yes, as a matter of fact, we do. If only that we may send them to a "rendition" location, to keep them from acting as a "fifth column" either within Lebanon, or other trouble spots throughout the world.

Including locations within the US.


23 posted on 07/18/2006 11:12:17 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: mhx

She's an author, media commentator, and she's pretty hot. She's got blonde hair and big boobs. She's the last person you'd think would speak Arabic, but she does.


24 posted on 07/18/2006 11:12:38 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: mhx

http://www.politicalusa.com/columnists/schlussel/Default.htm


25 posted on 07/18/2006 11:13:40 AM PDT by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: gaijin
She's an author, media commentator, and she's pretty hot. She's got blonde hair and big boobs. She's the last person you'd think would speak Arabic, but she does.

Strikes me as another raving perpetually indignant lunatic.

26 posted on 07/18/2006 11:14:32 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Brilliant
I worry about the evacuators... NOT the evacuee's.
27 posted on 07/18/2006 11:15:03 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: The_Reader_David
The headline was a majority of Americans in Lebanon support Hezbollah. I realize there are Christians that live and have family there. They tend to be the small minority. The remnant as they say.
28 posted on 07/18/2006 11:15:17 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: alloysteel; Truthsearcher; Puppage
These are the stories that take me back to public high school. We were taught that the America Firsters were basically the scum of the Earth for not wanting to get into WW2. (I happened to agree with that assessment of them.)

But these days we hear this kind of crap and the CORRECT response, the response that's conventional wisdom, is...tolerance.

I wish we weren't so afraid to charge people with treason for treasonous activity. As to these people, all I can say is I wish we'd have tighter standards for citizenship--say, if you stay a certain amount of time in a hostile country, you're outtahere.

29 posted on 07/18/2006 11:15:40 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: BigFinn
"Of the 25,000 American citizens and green-card holders in Lebanon, at least 7,000 are from Dearborn, Michigan, the heart of Islamic America, and especially Shia Islam. These 7,000 are mostly Shi'ite Muslims who openly and strongly support Hezbollah. Ditto for many of the rest of the 25,000 that are there."

Sounds like she's trying to stretch the 7,000 number into 25,000.

30 posted on 07/18/2006 11:16:33 AM PDT by jdm
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To: gaijin

I've never seen her on any program but have read her columns on her website.
She provides more investigative facts than most columnists put together.
And she has a very attractive photo.


31 posted on 07/18/2006 11:21:28 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: jdm

I don't even believe the 7000 number. 7000 from Dearborn, which also has a large Christian Arab population, including a huge Antiochian parish, does not translate into 7000 Hezbollah supporting Shi'ites, even if there are a lot of dual-citizenship Shi'ites in Dearborn. I'd lay better than even odds that some, and not just a handful, of the 7000 are from that parish and visiting family or Balamand Seminary.


32 posted on 07/18/2006 11:21:55 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: BigFinn

My husband is a naturalized citizen (he was Canadian but was naturalized in his mid 40's.)

Anyhoo, it is my understanding that the US does not recognize Dual Citizenship. When my husband took his "oath", he in effect, renounced his Canadian citizenship.

However, these requirements differ from country to country, so in Canada he may be viewed as a dual citizen, but from the standpoint of the American government, he does not have dual citizenship.

Makes you wonder about the circumstances of these Lebanese claiming to have "dual citizenship."


33 posted on 07/18/2006 11:23:24 AM PDT by dawn53
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We'll know in a few days, but I've heard the number of Americans expected to evacuate is between 4,000 and 5,000. Whether the rest support Hizbollah, I can't imagine how anyone would know that, though clearly many Lebanese do. They may simply live in Lebanon.

34 posted on 07/18/2006 11:24:54 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: BigFinn
This is exactly why all this recent angst over getting Americans out of Lebanon was so overblown. Our definition of what constitutes a U.S. citizen is so loose that it probably includes a lot of people around the world who have no idea they are U.S. citizens.

I saw one estimate the other day that out of 25,000 "Americans" in Lebanon right now, no more than 20% of them have any intention of evacuating.

35 posted on 07/18/2006 11:25:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: The_Reader_David
Quite frankly I doubt the report. An awful lot of Americans with ties to Lebanon and dual citizenship are Christians who emigrated to escape persecution or pursue the American dream,

So they say. But religious persecution is often easy justification to let foreigners into the USA. Some can and will claim to be a Christian when it serves a purpose

36 posted on 07/18/2006 11:27:11 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: The_Reader_David

(An awful lot of Americans with ties to Lebanon and dual citizenship are Christians who emigrated to escape persecution or pursue the American dream, but still have family back in the Old Country, and return to visit when times are peaceful. There are also a lot of Americans who go there because of church ties: the Maronite Patriarch is in Lebanon and the Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch's seminary is in Lebanon.)

Thanks for bringing information and facts to the demagoguery that I find on this thread. The Maronite Patriarch (who lives in Lebanon) was in Chicago last week for the annual Maronite convention. He is now in Washington D.C. I'm sure he is not thrilled about American citizens of Lebanese descent being asked for reimbursement for the evacuation. Even Debbie's article mentions 7,000 of 25,000 dual citizens. Assuming she's correct, I'd say over 90% of the rest are Christians. Most Lebanese Shiaa immigrants went to Africa. Most Christian immigrants went to Western countries, especially France, the US, and Canada (there are about 600K Lebanese in Montreal). Had this happened last year, I would have been one of the people stuck there, and would have been slimed by Debbie and the rest of the people on this thread. Considering that I love the US more than the average US born American, and the amount of gratitude I and most Lebanese feel toward George W for his role in kicking out the Syrians, this is shameful.


37 posted on 07/18/2006 11:29:48 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: The_Reader_David

"Quite frankly I doubt the report. An awful lot of Americans with ties to Lebanon and dual citizenship are Christians who emigrated to escape persecution or pursue the American dream, but still have family back in the Old Country, and return to visit when times are peaceful. There are also a lot of Americans who go there because of church ties: the Maronite Patriarch is in Lebanon and the Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch's seminary is in Lebanon."

Every single person of Lebanese descent in my hometown is Maronite Catholic. Not a Muslim or Hezbollah supporter among them. And man can they throw a party.


38 posted on 07/18/2006 11:30:09 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: BigFinn
Do you want your tax dollars to subsidize Hezbollah supporters' return to America? Are these the kind of U.S. citizens we badly need back in our country at this time?

LOL. Debbie must be kidding. Has this country ever paid any mind to what kind of people we allowed across our borders? For heaven's sake -- we had immigrants from the Soviet Union coming here during the height of the Cold War!

39 posted on 07/18/2006 11:30:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: BigFinn
I heard one of them (students in Lebanon) yesterday claim that Israel is ONLY targeting civilians. Not accidentally, but purposely shelling civilians only. She claimed to be from Lebanon's American University. Later a different student said she felt safe since the Israeli's aren't trying to hit civilian areas.

Both of their names were given and the one I couldn't pronounce and the other one I could. Take a guess which one said what.
40 posted on 07/18/2006 11:31:17 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: dawn53
Anyhoo, it is my understanding that the US does not recognize Dual Citizenship. When my husband took his "oath", he in effect, renounced his Canadian citizenship.

Essentially it's determined by the laws of the "other" country, not the US. I believe Canada would consider your husband a Canadian citizen unless he took action in Canada to renounce his citizenship, if he can. If that's true, in the context of an article like this he'd hold dual citizenship. Same with an American going to Canada. Becoming a Canadian citizen doesn't constitute a renouncement of American citizenship. The draft dodgers of the 60s-70s would have loved that. I suspect a lot of these people consider themselves Lebanese.

41 posted on 07/18/2006 11:34:11 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: dawn53
The U.S. does not "recognize" dual citizenship, but it has never forced people to give up their U.S. citizenship when obtaining citizenship elsewhere. If your husband had been a U.S. citizen first and decided to seek Canadian citizenship, he would have effectively been a dual citizen regardless of what the U.S. said.

There's also the issue of people who are dual citizens by birth (i.e., they meet the legal requirements for citizenship in two countries simply because of where they were born and the nationalities of their parents).

42 posted on 07/18/2006 11:36:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: SJackson

You're right. When he travels to Canada, he can get into Canada with his Canadian passport....however, he can't get back into the US without his naturalization papers or his American passport.


43 posted on 07/18/2006 11:36:59 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: BigFinn
Most Americans in Lebanon Are Hezbollah Supporters

Bulldozer fodder.

44 posted on 07/18/2006 11:38:04 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: mhx

ann coulter wannabe


45 posted on 07/18/2006 11:39:10 AM PDT by dmz
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To: BigFinn

Anyone who is a supporter of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, or any of the other sundry Mussie groups, Citizen of the US or not, should be required to forfeit their Citizenship and line up for deportation.

Leave those in Lebanon, IN Lebanon. They got what they wanted, now leave them there.


46 posted on 07/18/2006 11:39:40 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Quite frankly I doubt the report. An awful lot of Americans with ties to Lebanon and dual citizenship are Christians who emigrated to escape persecution or pursue the American dream, but still have family back in the Old Country, and return to visit when times are peaceful.

Exactly. But based on her past columns, this is not a journalist who cares any more about facts than Dan Rather does.

47 posted on 07/18/2006 11:41:41 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Strategerist
Strikes me as another raving perpetually indignant lunatic.

I know Debbie Schlussel and have always had a high regard for her scholarship, writings, investigative work, and achievements. She has been on the ball about Islamofascist infiltration and influence in this country, and has done us all a great service by exposing them, especially Sami Al-Arian.

Given the influence of liberals, communists, and Islamofascists and their supporters, don't you think she has a lot to be perpetually indignant about?

48 posted on 07/18/2006 11:44:17 AM PDT by Ziva (Sometimes it takes SIX Grand Juries to indict a ham sandwich!)
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To: BigFinn

Well then leave their a&&es there.


49 posted on 07/18/2006 11:45:04 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: roses of sharon
They squawk about that the US gov should pay for these evacs........

Except we don't pay for the evacs. The evacuees are billed.

50 posted on 07/18/2006 11:47:14 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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