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1 posted on 07/19/2006 1:31:58 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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We do not need new immigration laws. Secure the borders first and enforce current law.


2 posted on 07/19/2006 1:42:42 PM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is.)
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Liberals like to think most fringe-lefty issues are 'divisive'. It makes it appear as though their leftist agenda has support.


3 posted on 07/19/2006 1:43:12 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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Far from a fatal disaster for the administration and the Congressional GOP, a sweeping compromise on fixing the nation’s broken system of immigration (including stricter enforcement at the border and the workplace, along with a rational means of earned legalization) will constitute a huge political plus and a significant historical achievement.

Sorry Mike, been there, done that, didn't work.

5 posted on 07/19/2006 1:44:50 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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"Despite the hysterical charges by fringe groups that President Bush, Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy seek 'open borders' that would flood the nation with some 100 million new immigrants, no participant in recent Congressional debates has advocated such a radical, suicidal course."

Medved can try to spin this as he likes, but we in fact have had "open borders" for years, and continue to have them. No amount of legislation will change that; we will have to replace the current open-borders internationalist with a president who is concerned with our sovereignty before there will be anything other than window-dressing action on our southern border.

The borders should have been closed on Mr. Bush's first day in office, with an accompanying message that Clinton was derelict in his duty not to enforce our borders. Bush's failure to do so then, and particularly after 9/11, has had tragic consequences for this country.

Bush has been a huge failure on border security and national sovereignty.


12 posted on 07/19/2006 1:53:46 PM PDT by reelfoot
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Both the tough enforcement-only House bill and much reviled “comprehensive” approach adopted by the Senate include major commitments to stronger border enforcement – including, in both cases, the construction of an expensive high tech fence to stop illegals from entering the country.

The Senate has chosen to defund the fence. Why should we believe this??????

17 posted on 07/19/2006 2:00:49 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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re: More than three fourths of all Americans, according to the Gallup Poll and all other recent public opinion surveys, accept the notion that some of the current illegals must leave, and some of them should stay)))

My BS-ometer is clicking into the red. Something tells me this means, "Some of the illegals should stay. Like Mrs. Medved's maid."

Put me down as "divisive"--as in highly distrustful of the conciliatory tone of this.

Dear Mr. Neocon--Joe Sixpack is nobody's fool.

18 posted on 07/19/2006 2:03:11 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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Anyone who believes that it’s possible to force some twelve million human beings from their homes and jobs and schools (in one of the biggest forced migrations in human history) is indulging in a childish fantasy

Let's think about this...

The illegals came from all over Mexico... By themselves.

The illegals crossed the patrolled US border... By themselves.

The illegals dispersed all over the US... By themselves.

It doesn't seem too far out of line to believe that the illegals will go home by themselves if we remove the incentives that attract the illegals and perhaps even add some disincentives to get them started.

23 posted on 07/19/2006 2:11:11 PM PDT by RJL
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"30% of illegals who came here from Asia"

Every set of statistics Ive seen puts the number of Asian illegals at around 9%. Where does he get this number?


29 posted on 07/19/2006 2:19:36 PM PDT by mthom
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Despite the hysterical charges by fringe groups that President Bush, Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy seek “open borders” that would flood the nation with some 100 million new immigrants, no participant in recent Congressional debates has advocated such a radical, suicidal course. Both the tough enforcement-only House bill and much reviled “comprehensive” approach adopted by the Senate include major commitments to stronger border enforcement – including, in both cases, the construction of an expensive high tech fence to stop illegals from entering the country.

This passage is just dishonest. The Senate bill centainly contains measures to beef up the border (I am doubtful they will ever be implemented; but for the sake of this post, I assume they will). But the bill also provides a path to immigration and citizenship for somewhere between 40 and 80 million folks--only 11 million of whom are living here illegaly now. In other words, the Senate bill just waves its hands and fixes the problem by declaring that what was illegal is no longer illegal and multiplies the existing unassimilated immigrant problem by at least four. See, there, no problem. It's 90% of an open-borders bill by any possible definition of the word.

30 posted on 07/19/2006 2:21:01 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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I believe a large part of the problem is that after decades of "a wink and a nod" border enforcement, Americans don't trust the government to follow through on the border enforcement part of the "comprehensive plan". The comprehensive plan seems to be:

Enhanced border enforcement and Amnesty.

That's why I want to see the United States borders demonstrably controlled by the United States for a couple years before we commit to a "comprehensive" plan.

39 posted on 07/19/2006 2:26:42 PM PDT by RJL
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More BS from the usual sources; 94% of 12 million employed would be unprecedented when we consider that at least 25% of the total are either under employable age or over the usual retirement age and another 10% are likely disabled or saddled with too many responsibilities to hold down a job.


41 posted on 07/19/2006 2:30:18 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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In other words, the “comprehensive” approach leaves it up to the immigrant himself, ultimately, as to whether he will achieve legal status and remain in the country.

The “enforcement only” approach also lets the immigrant himself decide whether to go or to stay, but instead of rewarding good behavior (paying fines, learning English, working steadily, following the law) it rewards bad behavior (defying legal rules, continuing to work in the untaxed, unregulated underground economy).

I see the difference in intentions here, but both solutions look like they'll keep folks with bad behavior here.

People want to pay fines and learn English?? Wouldn't they have come here legally then?

60 posted on 07/19/2006 2:52:49 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Despite the hysterical charges by fringe groups that President Bush, Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy seek “open borders” that would flood the nation with some 100 million new immigrants,

It's in the freakin' Senate Bill! Is it now "hysterical" to actually read the provisions of legislation? Boy, is Medved ever is out to lunch.

87 posted on 07/19/2006 3:33:53 PM PDT by curiosity
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Despite the hysterical charges by fringe groups that President Bush, Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy seek “open borders” that would flood the nation with some 100 million new immigrants, no participant in recent Congressional debates has advocated such a radical, suicidal course.

Yep all you need to know about this author.

105 posted on 07/19/2006 4:02:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (The home of the Free, Because of the Brave (Shamelessly stolen from a Marine)
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The bottom line is, are we a nation of laws or not?

Who has been granted the authority to engage in selective enforcement?

If cost to enforce the misdemeanor of illegal entry is a factor, then let's save billions more and not prosecute anyone that commits a misdemeanor. Why should illegal aliens enjoy privileges denied to citizens and legal immigrants?

120 posted on 07/19/2006 4:24:17 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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Only tiny minorities back the idea that they should all be forced out of the country (“deportation”).

Sorry Mike, this is simply a semantics play with the poll question. If the laws are enforced they will deport themselves. They will have no jobs.

158 posted on 07/19/2006 5:17:27 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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Michael Medved is a pu$$y.


180 posted on 07/20/2006 9:41:29 AM PDT by jmc813 (.)(.)
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