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This article is an example of how AHSA is and will continue to be used to drive a wedge between the 'hunters' and 'conservationists' and the 'gun people'. Some of the points made by the writer and some of the issues discussed have merit but that is not the focus of this post. Please focus on how the AHSA is used as an introduction to 1. an attack on the NRA and 2. the setting up the interests of 'hunters' vs. 'gun people'. As we enter another political season the last thing we need is guys like this trying to peel off membership (he resigned) or support (money or Grassroots activities) from the NRA.

N.B. Article found on keepandbeararms.com to give credite where it is due

1 posted on 07/22/2006 3:40:28 AM PDT by Oakleaf
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To: Oakleaf

Also, scroll down at the end of the article in the original source, there are a lot of comments from readers.


2 posted on 07/22/2006 3:42:17 AM PDT by Oakleaf
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To: Oakleaf
I've heard this spiel from some hunters in the past, "Its not guns, but hunting (legitimate uses) that must be preserved."

Pointing out to them that hunting is not a right, nor is it the primary legitimate reason for owning a gun, has always been very effective.

As in most of Europe, if hunting is made to be the only legitimate reason for owning a gun, then there is no reason left when hunting is made illegal.
3 posted on 07/22/2006 4:01:52 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Oakleaf; BlackElk

The article's main point seems to be that pro 2A pols are also pro-develpment, while gun control advocates are more likely pro conservation. What the article misses however, is that the current breed of "conservationist" politicians usually like to set aside land from ANY use, including hunting. It is not business interests versus hunting interests, it's business inetersts versus environmentalist fruitake-ism.

I'm waiting for the article about how the National Organization for Women doesn't help women, but is mainly about abortion rights.


5 posted on 07/22/2006 4:11:25 AM PDT by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Oakleaf
It's the first time in a while that I have seen anything even resembling clever behavior from the gungrabbers. Trying to do a bit of divide-and-conquer on their part on wilderness issues certainly is an improvement over their usual nitwittery such as their labeling Florida the "Gunshine State" due to its move to more reasonable gunlaws over the years.

However, they are still very clumsy, such as this portion of their tripe:

... but I don't fret about the federal government breaking down my door to confiscate my battle worn 870 or my late grandfather's octagon-barrel 30-30, nor do I think all gun control laws, such as the ban on automatic assault rifles, are bad.

Notice how carefully they slimily babble on about how they are gunowners, too, and they have no worries about anyone taking their good guns --- just those evil semi-automatics in the assault weapons ban. That bit wasn't so clever on their part, since it is such a blatant line of blarney that most gunowners will pick up on it immediately.

I hope no one is taken in by these folks, but I imagine that there will be some good folks who don't pay a lot of attention to the issues who will be fooled by the AHSA.

6 posted on 07/22/2006 4:16:24 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: Oakleaf

They're going to have a mighty tough sell, getting hunters to dislike the NRA.


7 posted on 07/22/2006 4:19:49 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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...but says he has no use for the NRA, nor does he worry about losing his guns. “I think that’s the biggest hoax the NRA perpetrates. I don’t think there’s any chance our guns will be taken away.”

Pretty close to comments I heard back when the AWB was being considered the first time from some hunters I know. They didn't like, own, or consider semi-automatic rifles in military calibers to be particularly useful of necessary, so they were willing to see them sacrificed on the altar of appeasement to the anti-gunners, figuring their rifles, designed 'for sporting purposes' were safe.

No application of logic, including the concept that Mauser-based bolt-action rifles are fundamentally a military design, seemed to get through. Not even the discussion of semi-automatic shotguns made a dent.

This becomes especially relevant when one considers that the AWB is still lurking in the wings, updated, more potent, etc, with no 'sunset' date, just waiting with the 100 odd co-sponsors for the 'right' incident or 'right' moment.

Unfortunately, there are 'exceptional' gun owners, who, like 'exceptional' conservatives, believe in Rights 'except...' (add whatever they don't personally care for), and this is targeted at taking them out of the fight for the RKBA.

8 posted on 07/22/2006 4:26:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Oakleaf

The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, the liberals just don't get it.

Both Mr. Kerry and Mr. Gore deflected to talking about hunting when asked about gun rights and I think they thought they could bamboozle the people.


9 posted on 07/22/2006 4:27:44 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Oakleaf

Just as a point of order, the second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.


10 posted on 07/22/2006 4:30:11 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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"nor do I think all gun control laws, such as the ban on automatic assault rifles, are bad."

Spoken like a true "Lib" Gave away his cover right there!


11 posted on 07/22/2006 4:38:49 AM PDT by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: Oakleaf

So where is the barf alert or is it self evident?

So who is bankrolling this American Hunters and Shooters Association?
Are there any antigun politicians or celebrities on their board of directors?


12 posted on 07/22/2006 4:50:24 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Oakleaf
N.B. Article found on keepandbeararms.com to give credite where it is due

The original owner of Keepandbeararms is a known NRA hater.

14 posted on 07/22/2006 4:53:31 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Oakleaf

-bflr-


19 posted on 07/22/2006 5:25:09 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Oakleaf

Good info, Oakleaf. Thanks.

The socialist rats are trying to infiltrate hunting and fishing groups and the various state and federal natural resource agencies. Animal rights fanatics are currently attacking hunting here in Michigan.

The Humane Society of the United States has a $100 million budget it uses to attack hunting and fishing. It will be coming soon to a state near you, if it's not there already. Be vigilant.


22 posted on 07/22/2006 6:08:39 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Global warming will soon cause people to spontaneously combust while walking down the street.)
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To: Oakleaf
In his article, Chappell pointed out that "the NRA has supported conservative legislators intent on opening up wilderness areas, probably the most pristine hunting lands we have, to mining and drilling and the building of roads.

... but I don't fret about the federal government breaking down my door to confiscate my battle worn 870 or my late grandfather's octagon-barrel 30-30, nor do I think all gun control laws, such as the ban on automatic assault rifles, are bad.


IOW , "I'm an enviro-kook who supports gun control."

23 posted on 07/22/2006 6:10:25 AM PDT by Spirochete
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To: Oakleaf

NRA Free Hunters


What is NRA Free Hunters?

28 posted on 07/22/2006 10:27:16 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: Joe Brower

Bang


30 posted on 07/22/2006 11:18:10 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: Oakleaf
For the record, I really don't know if the AHSA truly represents the rights of gun owners,

But all this made me think about the role of the NRA plays in preserving the future of hunting. In looking at today's political landscape, it seems like we might need another group to step up and save hunting before the NRA destroys it.

Could it be that the NRA is worried that the gig is up and hunters will start to figure out they have been the ones who have been duped?

The author clearly contradicted himself right out of the gate. I know nothing about the AHSA but I do know that if they and the writer of this hit piece were truly on the up and up, there would have been no attempt to blast the NRA but every effort would have been made to try to merge the alleged concerns of the AHSA (hunters rights) with those of the NRA.

AHSA = a wolf in sheeps clothing........

32 posted on 07/22/2006 1:45:27 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Global warming has forced me to buy glacier front property in Alaska....)
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AHSA ......A$$ Holes Shoot Anything.

This must be the quintessential Liberal gun organization. Note the memory of Kerry trying to liik comfortable hefting a shotgun during the 2004 campaign. Liberals have a facination with guns and the things that appearing with one can GET them.

Its an image thang!

Who are we to stand intheir way if they want to have their picture taken while pretending that gun use , training and ownership are part and parcel of their lifestyle.

If their fascination with guns is only superficial , why should we stop them from allowing personal =firearms use for our liberal aristocracy while denyomg the same to ordinary Americans who are uneducated in the proper use of firearms for status reasons?

Even that mavin of Gun Control, Chucky Schumer, is at heart a totalitarian kid who delights in gun use himself but cannot possibly see why any ordinary American would need one to invoke the status of aristocrat to which he and others like him pretend. Join AHSA today and carve your aristocratic status in stone, and make the PC declaration for all to see that you will never shoot another human being no matter what. ( Yeah right!)

Future AHSA member Chucky Boomer Schumer pops a few caps:( and he wants gun control?)

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33 posted on 07/23/2006 7:03:14 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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