Skip to comments.When Will They Ever Learn… Why do so many American Jews hate the president who stands by Israel?
Posted on 07/22/2006 12:35:25 PM PDT by quidnunc
For years I have watched the Palestinians do absurdly self-destructive things, and have never understood them until now. But watching the Bush administration stoutly defend Israel this week against the background of an American Jewish population that vocally (often sneeringly) dislikes him and his administration, and consistently votes by massive majorities for his Democratic opponents, I start to understand the Palestinians just a little.
American Jews are not Palestinians and have not sunk to the level of supporting terrorist murderers. But their behavior is a lesson in self-destructive nihilism that could teach even the Palestinians a thing or two. U.S. Jews remain fervent supporters of an American left that is increasingly unable or unwilling to say why Israel must exist. Of course American Jews, like all Americans, define their interests in terms of many issues and not just one. But there is a reason why so many used to put Israel's safety near the top of their lists: Israel has been caught in a life-or-death struggle since birth; American support is critical to her survival.
True: Jewish support for President Bush moved upward in the 2004 election relative to the 2000 figures. It moved all the way up to 25 percent. During the five presidential elections of the 1970s and '80s, American Jews averaged 35 percent support for the Republican candidate, so 25 percent for Bush in '04 was not exactly a landslide move to the GOP. But even this pint-sized move seems to have petered out earlier this year. Jack Abramoff does not make an attractive spokesman for Jewish Republicans. The fall of Tom DeLay silenced one of the best friends Israel ever had in American politics, and one of the most effective symbols of Republican support for Israel. So the pattern of the '90s is likely to continue: American Jews move left as the left moves away from Israel.
In view of the fact that the Religious Right is the most potent pro-Israel political force in America today, I can't help but view Foxman and his ilk as unmitigated ingrates.
BTTT - Gelernter
These are the same people that voted the hildebeast into the WH for 8 years, loved her when she kissed Suha araRATfink even though Suha hates the jewish people, gave her the NY senator's position for 4 years and for another 4 years and will vote her in the WH. Who can understand? I don't.
Ingratitude has nothing to do with it. They hate the hard line positions of Israel and of the pro-Israeli right in America. They are leftist, liberal weenies. Jews aren't immune to it. Why is this so baffling? People seem to think leftist American Jews should someone overcome their lefty ways because they should feel allegiance to Israel. But hello! American lefties don't even feel allegiance to AMERICA--their own country! Why would they be any better vis a vis Israel. It doesn't make sense to be baffled by this.
The proper question would be "Why are so many American Jews liberals/leftists."
Very sorry to say... Abe Foxman ONLY cares about... Abe Foxman.
The US hates Bush in the same way Israelis hate Netanyahu... the press pushed them to it.
We all know that the pen is stronger than the sword.... that is why Free Reublic, and our own GAMLA is so important
"Why do so many American Jews hate the president who stands by Israel?"
same reason democrats hate Our President.
In view of the fact that the Religious Right is the most potent pro-Israel political force in America today....
This is the big irony -- Christians support Israeli Jews far more than American Jews. So never let an American Jew ever speak to you about loyalty, about right and wrong. They are sick hypocrites -- and that is why most of them thrive in New York !!! After all, didn't you know that Hitlery is Jewish??? :-)
The irony and ingratitude are incomprehensible...
American Jews who are conservative are more likely to put their money where their mouth is and move to Israel. Thus those who are left here tend to be, umm, Left here.
The dynamic described in the article is not hard to understand. Self loathing is the driving force behind all liberalism. The only difference between Jewish Liberals and Gentile Liberals is that Jewish Liberals have the existence of Israel as an additional avenue for self loathing.
When all you really have is a few traditions (the seder, the menorah, kashrut and no Jesus), the tendency is to view all religious people, including observant Jews in Israel and American Christians, with condescension and moral equivalence with those other religious extremists who have been troubling us lately.
Others may be able to state this more clearly, and to correct any errors I have made.
I must admit that I don't understand American Jews! With their long history of persecution perhaps they are entitled to some character flaws. Now to risk some charges of being anti-semitic. I am not and fully support Israel! The American Jewish culture seems to me to be matriarchial and neurotic in nature. Most Jewish men I know seem to be hen pecked. Most of them are not religious...only culturally Jewish. Many are agnostics and dislike anyone religious, particularly Jesus followers who are the greatest supporters of the Nation Israel. I love the Jewish race for they are the founders of the Christian faith.
Lemming syndrome? Brainlesslly marching off a cliff?
No great change in the mentality that had some of 6 million Jews walking passively into death chambers, knowing full well what awaited them?
Your call. This has always been totally beyond my poor efforts at understanding.
Jews throughout the world have always had a soft spot for socialism. For American Jews, the Dhimmicrat Party is the closest thing to it.
"But hello! American lefties don't even feel allegiance to AMERICA--their own country! Why would they be any better vis a vis Israel. It doesn't make sense to be baffled by this."
That was helpful...a little.....But you would think an image of box cars taking your ancestors to Auschwitz might inspire a New York Jew who witnessed 9-11 first hand to support the best friend Israel ever had.
Some folks are simply destined to repeat history....
Yes, this has always flummoxed me too. We had a moderate Republican Congressman come to our synagogue for a town meeting.
He was ripped asunder over Iraq. It was bloody. And--to a RINO's credit--he got up and fired back with real grace and firmness in his support of Bush. It made me proud of him for once.
He even brought up the fact that Saddam was paying $25,000 to $50,000 for suicide bombers hitting Israel--which Saddam ain't doing no mo'. He got no where with the congregation.
Now my co-religionists are going out to campaign for a far, far left fruitcake who has promised to help impeach Bush over the war.
Don't ask me; I don't know.
They're schlemiels...gluttons for punishment.
I believe that most liberal Jews don't care if Israel falls off the map is because as long as Israel exists, the prophecy of God Almighty that Israel will NEVER cease to be a nation after the second return still stands, and it makes them uncomfortable that they may have to believe that Israel is Supernaturally protected which leads to the fact the there is a God who chose Israel out of all the peoples of the world as His own, AND because of it, they are OBLIGATED to OBEY his commandments, statues, laws, and feasts which were never annuled in the Jewish Laws. That makes them uncomfortable whenever they do "there own thing" instead of doing "God's thing" - obeying his commandments, laws statutes and feasts. If Israel ceased to exist, that makes God a liar, and therefore not God at all, and therefore they can dismiss that there is a God and can do whatever they want without the feeling of guilt.
...no kidding...I saw an synopsis on this the other day and you are right on...the evangelical or even just the plain old right is a stronger proponent to Israel then American Jews....who many seem to be agnostic about the whole thing.....
It seems to me from this article and if you include history jews are their own worst enemy.Lessons should be learned but they are not so i am afraid this sort of thing will only repeat itself.It seems as if there is no gratitude for what America has done and it also seems that despite everything else,the jewish people hate christians the way arab countries hate the jews.
You're missing the point. They aren't looking for Israel's best friend. They don't respect Israel any more than they respect America.
Possibly. I doubt it, though. I think it's possible a lot of religious conservatives support Israel in order to confirm their beliefs. I think lefties' lack of support is due to their leftism. They don't fear God. They fear strong, right wing governments.
It seems they have had a soft spot for communism in the past also.
A question needs to be posed to the Jews in America:
If it came down to choosing between Republicans and the guaranteed defense of Israel, and democrats who would be non-committal and would let Israel fend for itself in a major war with no American help, which would you choose?
Many politically-conservative Jews are actually well-disposed towards the Christian Religious Right.
But many other Jews are very bitter towards Evangelical Christians, apparently for two principal reasons:
1. Because Evangelicals attempt to convert Jews to Christianity, and, more importantly
2. because the Evangelicals believe that anyone who hasn't accepted Jesus as his personal savior is destined to spend eternity in Hell.
Evidently this second point bothhers many Jews a great deal.
Welcome... to FreeRepublic.
" I think lefties' lack of support is due to their leftism. They don't fear God. They fear strong, right wing governments."
It's my understanding Israel's government is mostly socialist. Not right wing by any stretch.
I think many American Jews came from areas, esp. Russia, where the right was identified in their minds with anti-Semitism, authoritarianism, and corrupt government-established "Christian" churches. The opposition to these anti-Semitic regimes was leftist, so Jews gravitated to leftist movements. When they came to America, they transferred their old-World hatred to American conservatism and American Christianity, failing to recognize that these were different from Euro versions.
Also, if you look back to Old Testament times, you see that the Jewish people have always been divided between the faithful and God-fearing (like today's Orthodox), and the apostates who followed alien gods (like those today who follow the "god" of socialism). Jews are just mankind in microcosm.
This is consistent with most libs....the men are feminized
and the women want to wear the pants and jockey shorts.
Gee, Hillary was President already? And there are that many Jewish voters that they put her there? Who knew?
This is because all the courageous and noble Jews left the U.S. for Israel years ago. All we have left here is the cowardly parasites that want someone else to fight their battles for them.
Remember the time she responded to a reporter "We are the President"
A very very good point and well put.
By definition, leftists hate God (because they have an unquenchable need to be God and the place He occupies in the order of things just naturally gets in their way) and they despise believers. This was true of Trotsky and it is true of America's secular Jews who have no time for God, country, or Israel or for those who do. It cannot be said too often because it is fundamental to an understanding of the Liberal's psyche, he hates God because he would be God.
I was once told by a self proclaimed Marxist who was a secular Jew, "at Christmas the goyam get crazy but at Easter they get dangerous." I've always felt that this remark betrayed of a whole baggage load of prejudice carried by this former college professor. It reveals a contempt for religion, in this case Christianity, as being it stupid and irrational. But it also expresses in the second half of the remark a long-held fear among Jews that they will become the victims of a Christian pogrom in American. Why would they not think that? Why would not stupid, irrational and crazy Christians not be prone to conducting a stupid, irrational and crazy pogrom?
Leftists also hate America because they hate the nation state. They are on a March after all toward playing God and God rules the whole universe. Hence, liberals always strive to increase their jurisdiction. No entity on earth, not even the Vatican, represents a greater obstacle to gaining the Liberal Promised Land: One World Government. Believing American Christians commit a secondary sin, they are patriotic so they support a nation state, America, which frustrates the Liberal dream every day.
like any other religion, when the people abandon G-D and substitute the state, this is the end result.
<< Every so often the ADL's Abe Foxman delivers another of his anti-Evangelical Christian rants apparently as a fund-raising fetcher.
In view of the fact that the Religious Right is the most potent pro-Israel political force in America today, I can't help but view Foxman and his ilk as unmitigated ingrates. >>
How in the world are we (the US) going to continue to support Israel when American Jews seek to thwart us ? We need Jews to be on the side of Jews for a change. Just how far can US evangelicals and a handful of conservative Jews take us?
The intellectual and pseudo intellectual (about the same thing except one has a bigger a$$ than the other) fears war and having to fight because his greatness occured as a result of being at peace. He cannot think under stress. He is very judgmental against those who cannot read or write and live rough lives (so called red necks), but in fact at the bottom lust for the very abilities of the "red neck" to still function when under stress... thus their judgmentalism and vilification of Bush as some kind of crazy cowboy who can't think yet makes much better decisions under a time of exceptional stress for America.
Kudos to Bush, I respect the man.
As for the Jews who love their post WWII intellectualization, they are only going back in the tracks of those scholars who dared not speak up against Hitler or Stalin or what not... simply because they would lose their functions, they would lose their prestige or their abilities to call the shots, or their pride made them fear to look pathetic and needy... and so they prayed and talked and pretty much never intended to do anything in the first place.
Bush, even in his most timid supports of Israel, puts them to unbelievable shame and they revile him for that.
Excellent. Dennis Prager has written on this brilliantly. Ingrates are Liberals Huck. That has been their agenda for sixty years. Whine and carp against America, no matter which ethnic group, Jewish, or race, black and now unfortunately Hispanic, just on and on complaining while they live in the greatest nation on earth. Mind blowing is it not?
The Jews left the Dem party in droves , all except for the hard core socialists, when Hillary Clinton brokered her Palestinian initiatives along with her hyraulically challenged hubby.
How can Abe Foxman forget that, with former Jewish Democrat Mayor of New York City,Ed Koch, who said in August of 2004:
ELECTION 2004 Ed Koch: I'm voting for Bush New York Democrat: Kerry doesn't have stomach to go after terrorists
By Aaron Klein © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Former New York City Mayor Edward Koch, a Democrat, will for the first time in his life vote for a Republican presidential candidate this year because he feels Kerry "doesn't have the stomach" to fight terrorism, Koch told WorldNetDaily.
"While I don't agree with Bush on a single domestic issue, they are all trumped by the issue of terrorism, where he has enunciated the Bush Doctrine and proven his ability to fight this war," said Koch. "The Democratic Party just doesn't have the stomach to go after terrorists."
Koch, now a partner in a Manhattan law firm, was mayor of New York from 1978-89, and served for nine years as a U.S. congressman until 1977. He's known for his liberal views on various issues, including his staunch support of same-sex marriage and leftist ideas for the economy and environment.
While he has in the past deviated from conventional liberal thinking, strongly supporting the death penalty and taking a hard line on "quality of life" issues, Koch has always supported Democratic presidential candidates.
But the former mayor says he was sickened by what he witnessed at the Democratic National Convention last month and now feels the Democratic Party is moving in the wrong direction.
"I saw Kerry surrounded by radical politicians like [former President Jimmy] Carter and [Sen. Ted] Kennedy. ... I know Kerry will succumb to their pressure if elected. They are with Kerry not because they like him, but because their true candidate Howard Dean couldn't get elected, and they wanted someone who they can have elected and dominate," charged Koch.
"As long as Kennedy and Robert Byrd are considered major leaders of the Democratic Party, and while we're seeing radical candidates like Howard Dean, whose radical-left supporters have been described by the press as 'Deaniacs,' the Democratic Party will be limited in its ability to serve the country well in times of crisis and war like we face now."
Koch thinks Kerry is putting on a facade by campaigning as tough on terrorism, and worries the Democratic nominee plans to pull American troops from Iraq prematurely, signaling to al-Qaida and terror-supporting Mideast dictators that the U.S. doesn't have the will to fight terrorism.
"Kerry says now that he'd stay in Iraq, but the people who support him would get out tomorrow. If he's president, they would pressure him to do that," Koch said. "They don't care what Kerry says now. They believe he is saying things simply to ingratiate himself with mainstream Democrats and some Republicans."
Koch has been impressed with Bush's response to the Sept. 11 attacks, and says terrorism must rank as the most important issue for voters in the November elections.
He says he supports Bush because "I think the Bush Doctrine of pre-emption is crucial. Bush says 'We will go after the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.' And he has demonstrated that he means it by invading Afghanistan and Iraq, both threats to their regions and to the U.S."
The security of Israel is another major issue for Koch, who is proud of his Jewish heritage and says he is frightened by the "prospects of disaster" in the Middle East if Kerry is elected president. Koch says he "cannot understand why Jews who care about Israel would vote Democrat this year."
"Look at what Kerry said before the Council on Foreign Relations, where he made his foreign-affairs positions known. He said if he were president, he'd select James Baker and Jimmy Carter as emissaries to Israel. They are two of the most hostile politicians toward Israel! These are the last people you'd send if you cared about the Jewish state and the Middle East.
"And when Kerry was accosted by Jewish leaders for saying that, he claimed he hadn't seen that part in his speech, that it was inserted at the last minute by staff people. Now as a politician, I know you read this kind of speech dozens of times. He knew it was in there. So Kerry doesn't tell the truth, either."
Many Jews feel Carter and Baker have taken a consistently pro-Palestinian line, and some were worried by Carter's comments at the convention, where he linked the Bush administration's policy toward Israel to anti-American sentiment.
"Violence has gripped the Holy Land, with the region increasingly swept by anti-American passions," Carter told the convention in a prime-time speech many Democrats said marked his revival as a central figure in the party.
Koch says he found it "both interesting and disturbing" that Kerry omitted any reference to Israel during his acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention.
"But I am convinced that President Bush will never trade Israel's special relationship with the U.S. for political support, be it domestic or international. Bush is probably the most supportive of Israel of any U.S. president in history. I doubt John Kerry and the Deaniacs who now embrace him would have the same resolve."
Koch points to Bush's isolation of Arafat, and his viewing of Israel as a strategic partner in the war on terror as positive foreign-policy elements.
Koch says he plans to campaign for Bush among the Jews of New York and South Florida in the coming two months. He says he will write a flurry of op-eds in Jewish newspapers, and has already started hitting the airwaves, talking to several Jewish radio shows, including Israel's Tovia Singer Radio Show, which many American Jews follow online.
"You see, I was elected mayor because New Yorkers trusted my insights and common sense," explains Koch. "And I believe they still do. They and the rest of America must realize Islamic terrorists want to destroy us, and there are hundreds of millions of them. I want a president who is willing to go after them before they have the chance to kill us."
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If Ahmadinejad's recent letter to German Chancellor Merkel doesn't wake American Jews up, nothing will.
Thank you for this explanation. It helps. Could you tell me this - why do some liberal Jews like to voice anti-Semitic canards that have come down the centuries; or why do some Jewish teachers like to pick on those students who are Jewish? This is something I find difficult to understand.
I would posit that this self-flagellating behaviour from Amercan Jews (although quite reprehensible) is a direct result from a Liberal education pure and simple, as are all bleeding hearts in the west.