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Paganism Gaining Popularity in Prison
AP ^ | July 23, 2006 | Kristen Gelineau

Posted on 07/23/2006 6:02:57 PM PDT by WestTexasWend

STAUNTON, Va. — A pagan religion that some experts say can be interpreted as encouraging violence is gaining popularity among prison inmates, one of whom is scheduled to be executed this week for killing a fellow prisoner at the foot of an altar.

Michael Lenz is scheduled to die Thursday for the death of Brent Parker, who was stabbed dozens of times at Augusta Correctional Center during a gathering of inmates devoted to Asatru, whose followers worship Norse gods. At his trial, Lenz testified that Parker had not been taking the religion seriously and had to die to protect the honor of the gods.

Other followers call the religion misunderstood and say most adherent inmates do not use it to further violent agendas.

Asatru has been gaining popularity among inmates, say religious leaders and prison experts who believe its roots in Viking mythology attract prisoners seeking power, protection and unity.

The gang culture in prison also contributes, said theologian Britt Minshall, a former police officer and Baltimore pastor who ministers to inmates. Some white inmates who felt threatened by black prison gangs formed their own gangs and sought out a belief system they felt would provide additional security, he said.

"It's a way of grouping together for safety," he said. "And you have to have a god in the middle of that to really keep you safe."

Asatru is often referred to as Odinism, although some followers believe the two are separate religions. It is a polytheistic, pre-Christian faith native to Scandinavia whose adherents worship gods including Thor and Odin.

It emphasizes a connection with one's ancestors and values honor, loyalty, generosity and truth.

An estimated 10,000 to 20,000 people in the United States consider themselves Asatruars or Odinists, said Stephen McNallen, director of the Asatru Folk Assembly, a leading Asatru group.

No national statistics are kept on how many inmates follow Asatru. But experts say its popularity enjoyed a boost from the Supreme Court, which last year sided with an Asatru inmate by upholding a federal law requiring state prisons to accommodate prisoners' religious affiliations.

Asatru is often associated with white supremacy, although most Asatru leaders bristle at suggestions of such a relationship.

A 1999 FBI report on domestic terrorism described Odinism as a "white supremacist ideology that lends itself to violence."

"What makes Odinists dangerous is the fact that many believe in the necessity of becoming martyrs for their cause," the report said.

Such comments are typical of those who don't understand Asatru, said Jane Ruck, who runs the National Prison Kindred Alliance and ministers to Asatru inmates. White supremacists make up only a small portion of Asatruars, and most inmates who follow the religion do not use it to push hate-filled, violent agendas, she said.

"There might be some white supremacists who consider themselves Asatruars, but they're not (Asatruars) because they're not following our beliefs," Ruck said. "We don't hate anybody; we just want to take pride in our heritage."

Lenz and another inmate, fellow Asatruar Jeffrey Remington, stabbed Parker a combined 68 times with makeshift knives. Remington was also sentenced to death but committed suicide in 2004.

According to Art Jipson, who studies white racial extremism and directs the University of Dayton's criminal justice studies program, Lenz's belief that fatal force was warranted is not surprising.

"If he believes the fight was necessary, whether or not it was legal is the least of his concerns," Jipson said. "If he's a truly devout practicing Odinist or Asatruist, he's doing what he must do. And it would be a shame — it would be a black mark on his soul, his spirit ... for him to be cowardly and not to fight."

That kind of warrior mentality can exacerbate the tense environment behind bars, said Mark Potok, a leader at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which monitors hate groups.

"It's a theology that celebrates raw physical power and domination, and that is why I think it is so popular among prison inmates," Potok said. "The kind of inmate who might be attracted to this is a white man who is looking for justification for extreme violence, who is looking for an ideology which explains why he should be the boss."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Alabama; US: Maryland; US: Ohio; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: asatru; deathrow; domesticterrorism; inmates; mythology; odinism; pagans; prisons; splc; whitesupremacy
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41 posted on 08/03/2006 10:17:23 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: dragonhammer; orionblamblam
The top down aspect you refer to had many executions attached to it.

Shall we descend into litanies of who killed who? I *know* you don't want us to be posting from the Roman martyrology. Or maybe snippets from the North American martyrs?

You will find

a) that it was the state and not the Church who was behind most of these persecutions of pagans (note that you mentioned King Olaf and the Emperor Charlemagne--not Pope, not bishop.) Blaming the Church for them makes about as much sense as blaming the Church for abortion today.

b) things like sorcery, atheism, and not participating in the state cult were capital crimes in many pagan cultures. Plato was killed as an atheist by pagans. The Christians were killed as atheists by pagans. The Jesuits were killed as sorcerors by pagans. Handsome Lake, the pagan Seneca prophet, killed witches.

The essential problem with paganism always has been and always will be that anyone can make it anything they want. There is no creed, there is only picking and choosing deities and aspects of deities that one likes.

It encompasses everything from lofty Platonism and Brahmanism to the wickedest, basest cults of sexual degeneracy and bloodlust. So you may very well not *like* the freakish sort of Asatruar, but what position are you to judge it? I find it somewhat odd that you are judging paganism by Christianity's moral standards.

42 posted on 08/04/2006 9:49:50 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Antoninus

de civitate Dei contra paganos

PINGUS!!!


43 posted on 08/04/2006 9:54:57 AM PDT by Claud
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To: orionblamblam
You anti-Christians are, if nothing else, amusing in your partial understanding of history. Part of the legacy of Roman ideals of imperium involved the Emperor (or king, in the case of the barbarians) as steward of society. This always had a religious aspect to it, whether it was the role of pontifex maximus and proclaimed divinity of the pagan Emperors or the Caesaropapism of the Christian Emperors. This meant that the Emperor was responsible to the pagan gods (or the Christian God) to the extent that he was able to glorify them (or Him) and surpress activities that they (or He) would find offensive. Thus, many Christian temporal rulers differed little from their pagan predecessors in terms of their tactics when dealing with religious dissidents. And why not? After all, this was the cultural heritage from which they had sprung.

Of course, there was also a political aspect to this. States with a homogeneous religious population tend to be easier rule. Plus, a state-sactioned religion had serious propaganda value for the regime. Many of the pagan Emperors saw Christians as dissidents to the Imperial cult and sought to dealt with them as insurgents to the political system. You have to remember, the Roman Emperors viewed practically any civic or religious organization which operated outside the Imperial system as suspicious. Similarly, many of the Christian Emperors viewed paganism, Judaism, and the various Christian heretical sects as dangers to the internal cohesion of the Empire during a time when it was being pressured from all sides by external enemies. In dealing with these threats, they drew upon the legacy of Imperial law and though persecutions of pagans did occur during the Christian Roman Empire, they were mainly threats to the status and property of the pagans in question, generally not to their lives--unlike the brutal pagan persecutions of Decius and Diocletian.

That said, coerced conversions are not acceptable, according to Catholic teaching.
44 posted on 08/04/2006 10:42:40 AM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Claud
The essential problem with paganism always has been and always will be that anyone can make it anything they want. There is no creed, there is only picking and choosing deities and aspects of deities that one likes.

Debates with pagans generally end when you ask them to define their belief system for you.

The same goes for atheists.

Many Christians may have feet of clay when it comes to being able to lay out their beliefs in a logical and coherent way, but for pagans and atheists, the clay goes all the way up to their armpits. They are all attack, no substance.
45 posted on 08/04/2006 10:46:52 AM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: orionblamblam
And yes, the Egyptian, Greek, Slavic and Celtic pantheons have established worshippers as well. Even the old paganism of Canaan has followers.

Personally, I worship Seia who minds the corn while it is still underground. When it begins to germinate, I pray to Proserpina. Nodotus gets my prayers when the first stalks appear and Voluntina when the sheaths and ears begin to show. When the sheath opens, I pray to Patelana, but as soon as they all stand at equal lengths, I turn to Hostilina. When it's in flower, I pray to Flora, of course and to Lacturnus when it's full of milk. I then turn to Matuta when it's ripening and later Segetia so that it will be safe until the harvest. Runcina gets my prayers when it is ready to be removed from the soil and after it's harvested, I worship Tutilina, who watches over it in the barn.

These modern pagans who worship "Jupiter", "Thor", or "Woton" are amateurs...
46 posted on 08/04/2006 11:00:17 AM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: WestTexasWend
"What makes Odinists dangerous is the fact that many believe in the necessity of becoming martyrs for their cause," the report said.

Hmmmmm.....where have I heard that before?

47 posted on 08/04/2006 11:00:49 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Antoninus

> You anti-Christians....


Took you two weeks to come up that? You anti-non-Christians sure are amusing.


48 posted on 08/04/2006 11:42:43 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: orionblamblam
Took you two weeks to come up that? You anti-non-Christians sure are amusing.

I'm not anti-non-Christian. I just think paganism is stupid.
49 posted on 08/04/2006 12:43:58 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Antoninus

ROTFLMAO...

you are hitting them out of the park tonight!


50 posted on 08/04/2006 1:10:57 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Antoninus

> I'm not anti-non-Christian.

Strange. It seems you think any non-Christian is "anti-Christian."

> I just think paganism is stupid.

Many non-Christians say the same about Christinity. If that makes them "anti-Christian," how are you *not* "anti-non-Christian?"


51 posted on 08/04/2006 1:58:19 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Antoninus

> Personally, I worship Seia who minds the corn while it is still underground. ...

Makes as much sense as worshipping Big Invisible Manic-Depressive Guy In The Sky full time, I suppose.


52 posted on 08/04/2006 2:00:19 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: orionblamblam
Strange. It seems you think any non-Christian is "anti-Christian."

No. Just you. And a select few others who've got a track-record.

Many non-Christians say the same about Christinity. If that makes them "anti-Christian," how are you *not* "anti-non-Christian?"

Oh yeah? Well, you're contra-anti-non-Christian. So there.
53 posted on 08/04/2006 2:22:32 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: WestTexasWend

Wisconsin taxpayers pay for a follower of Wicca (witchcraft) to minister to our prisoners. Dumb, if you ask me!


54 posted on 08/04/2006 2:23:04 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: orionblamblam
Makes as much sense as worshipping Big Invisible Manic-Depressive Guy In The Sky full time, I suppose.

Only if you've got an allergic reaction to reality and can't separate revealed Truth from ludicrous superstition.

There's a difference between the Christian God and pagan divinities. Namely, the Christian God IS God. Pagan divinities, if they exist at all, are daemons.
55 posted on 08/04/2006 2:27:00 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: sagar

I thought it was A-brahamin, what the eastern mystics called the non-spiritual (monothestic) materialists (warriors).

--just sayin'


56 posted on 08/04/2006 2:31:46 PM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: WestTexasWend
...worship Norse gods.

Or naming the days of the week for them. What do these guys expect, a visit from the Snow Giants?

57 posted on 08/04/2006 2:34:39 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: orionblamblam

"Even the old paganism of Canaan has follwers"
Like Carole King?

"Well,I've been to Canaan and I want to go back again"
Seriously,thats a great song.


58 posted on 08/04/2006 2:45:47 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Antoninus

> No. Just you.

Wrong again, spanky. There's a difference between being non-something and finding humor/ridiculousness in that something (especially with the fanatics of that something), and being anti-something.


59 posted on 08/04/2006 2:52:51 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Antoninus

> There's a difference between the Christian God and pagan divinities.

Indeed. Somebody invented the Christian God much more recently than the pagan gods.


60 posted on 08/04/2006 2:53:52 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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