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DEATH TOLL
as of 4:03 PM July 24, 2006

Civilians:
372+ Lebanese
17 Israeli
20 Sri Lankan (by israel)
8 Canadian (by israel)
4 Brazilian (by israel)

Military:
40 Lebanese
20 Israeli
16 Hizballah (declared)

Displaced:
~1,000,000 Lebanese V 25% of total population

Bombs Dropped:
~10,000 Israel
~1000 Hizballah


Deja Vue 1982


THEN


NOW



1 posted on 07/24/2006 10:40:28 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/24/2006 10:41:09 AM PDT by NYer
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The priest said many Christian soldiers, including some from his area, had been killed.

Father's words would contradict the claims of the Lebanese government that its troops are not engaging Israeli forces. It would also contradict Israel's claims that the IDF is fighting Hezbollah and not Lebanese regulars.

I see no press reports indicating that Lebanese regulars are engaged in the fighting at all - let alone fighting on a scale that would result in the deaths of "many" Maronites in the Lebanese armed forces.

Very puzzling comment.

4 posted on 07/24/2006 10:44:53 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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about 3-4 times a week, I listen to the Marionite podcast of the reading of the Divine Office. They pray for the people of Zion and the old testiment. We may hear about anti-Israel attitudes by the Christians in the middle east but I just don't believe that there is the anti-semitism there.


5 posted on 07/24/2006 10:45:09 AM PDT by Mercat (sprinters are a lot like saxaphone players)
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Of the 372 civilian Lebanese reported killed, how many were actually Hezbollah terrorists?

One cannot get any kind of objective commentary from a Lebanese priest especially one who says something like this:

"Dialogue is the only way to solve problems between countries," said Fr Charles Ksas, a parish priest in Bziza, a village near Tripoli, in northern Lebanon.

Except this is not between countries, Father. It's between terrorists that your country refuses to root out and the country that continues to suffer death at the hands of those same terrorists.

8 posted on 07/24/2006 10:46:58 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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This is not the fault of the Joooooooooooos. It is the fault of Muslim terrorists.
9 posted on 07/24/2006 10:47:28 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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Israel is bombing Shiite locations in Lebanon but most especially in Southern Lebanon. Why don't you try and find out whether that lower picture is of a Shiite neighborhood.

A few bombs have been sent to Christian Lebanese neighborhoods where there are financial organizations (banks for instance) who have enabled the Hizbulalh


12 posted on 07/24/2006 10:49:58 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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"This war failed to divide the Lebanese," Father Ksas said in an e-mail from Lebanon on July 21. "Christians and Muslims are both damaged, and they have found that their unity is the only way to survive."

Lovely. All this love and brotherhood and they couldn't stop the fricking hezbully lunatics amongst themselves from doing their kidnapping and rocket thing agsinst an overwhelmingly stronger neighbor.

Same stupid thing; how many times can a mouse walk up and kick the cat in the balls and expect the world to feel sorry for him because he's simple-minded??

I'll tell those idiots something: I feell sorry for the CAT, and my recommendation to him is to esxterminate their goofy asses, post haste. I hope they're all sitting there singing kum-bay-ah together when it happens.

14 posted on 07/24/2006 10:51:10 AM PDT by tomzz
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O.K.

Unite with Hezbollah who started this and face annihilation.

Subservience to thugs is an ancient human response.


15 posted on 07/24/2006 10:51:47 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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I walked by the local Courthouse and there were 3 Lebanese out there with "Stop US aid to Israel" "support Lebanon" etc. signs.

They were being interviewed on TV else I would have asked "what is so hard about returning the illegally kidnapped soldiers and to STOP shooting rockets?"

The end of this war is in the hands of Hezbolla.


16 posted on 07/24/2006 10:53:15 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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I suspect much of what we may hear out of Beirut from Christians are false expressions of unity borne of fear of reprisal from the Islamic militants. Public expressions do not equate to inner feelings in that part of the world.

Time magazine, the reiterratings of respective loses are tools of the relativists, something Pope Benedict deems a yoke around the necks of this world.


18 posted on 07/24/2006 10:54:21 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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Normally, the feast is a festive day in Lebanon, beginning on the eve with a continuous stream of fireworks and firecrackers and the numerous

I don't see what Father is complaining about. There's been plenty of fireworks.

But I also pray for our enemies: Stop the war, we care also about your children!

Your enemies are the Hizzies all around you, you brain-dead dhimmi. If you cared about children on either side of the border, you'd call out the terrorists, instead of sucking up to them.

22 posted on 07/24/2006 11:08:01 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3280745,00.html

Dan Halutz ordered the IAF to knock down 10 buildings in Beirut for evry Katyusha fired.

Another Deja vu:

General Lammerding, commanding the Division Das Reich, ordered the execution of 3 frenchmen for every wounded german soldier and 10 frenchmen executed for every killed german soldier.


24 posted on 07/24/2006 11:08:55 AM PDT by Patrick_k
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Since this "war" was not intended to separate Christian from Muslim I am puzzled by these words. Perhaps when the terrorists begin to separate the good Fathers flocks heads from their Christian torso's he will finally look at the truth. Hezbollah must be destroyed completely and finally, there is nothing more to this than that very fact.
38 posted on 07/24/2006 11:24:30 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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"We support all and help all. Christians and Muslims alike, there is no difference," the priest said. "

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, peace is good war is bad and you're sooooo holy. You are confused padre. Don't you know that Hezbollah longs for the day that they can cut you to pieces and throw you in a ditch? And while you wing way to heaven singing kum-ba-ya people will still be here who have the brains and guts to make the difficult moral choice of fighting evil to the death.

41 posted on 07/24/2006 11:29:30 AM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.")
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Very sad.

Any child raised anywhere near Islamic Cultists is in danger.

Amazing how their hatred of Jews transcends their love and protection of their children, it's always frightening to see how the shove their children out to throw rocks at tanks, and how they are taught to commit suicide to kill Jews and Christians.

Thank god for Israel, the US and others who are finally confronting this scourge of humanity, maybe future generations can be raised in a civilized society.
48 posted on 07/24/2006 11:59:01 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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Where did you get that bombing map? I noticed on the very bottom of it, within pre-1967 borders, Israel is labeled "Occupied Palestine". Seems like the maker of the map has an ax to grind.


59 posted on 07/24/2006 12:19:19 PM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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"Dialogue is the only way to solve problems between countries," said Fr Charles Ksas, a parish priest in Bziza, a village near Tripoli, in northern Lebanon.

Just like it worked with Germany and Japan prior to WW2.

What if the group that precipitated the fighting isn't a country? And what if that group's only goal is genocide and they don't care how many of their own die?

66 posted on 07/24/2006 1:00:26 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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"Israel is destroying the country," Father Ksas added.

I can reasonably agree with what he was saying up until this comment.

Hezbollah is destroying Lebanon. They attacked Isreal and are continuing to attack Israel. Israel has little choice to respond, or they will be slowly whittled away and destroyed.

It is good to pray for your enemies. Pray that God might redeem them. It is good for Christians to offer shelter to Muslims when their homes have been destroyed due to the war that has been brought to them by the overt acts of Hezbollah. Show them that unlike Hezbollah, that attacks Israel from within their communities and then flees while Israel's retailitory strikes to stop those attacks destroy their homes, Christians show compassion toward them.

If this Priest doesn't want war in Lebanon, why isn't he speaking out against those who brought it there and who are continuing to provoke Israel into continuing it?

The map of Israeli strikes in Lebanon along with the death tolls deserves some examination as well.

The death of innocents is horrible, but when Hezbollah continues to attack from within populated areas and hide among civilians it leave Israel with little choice.

However, look at the vast number of strikes that Israel has carried out. The number of dead is amazingly small for this kind of campaign.

The number of declared Hizbollah members being presented in these numbers is also laughable small. The assertion that all the others were civilians is also not credible.

Hizbollah doesn't wear uniforms.

Israel bombs Hizbollah strongholds and weapons caches and those killed are added to the list of civilians.

Israel hits the sight where a barrage of missiles have been fired from, and the reports come back that a few civilians were all that were killed.

We hear this reported again and again by officials in southern Lebanon, but the reports leave out the fact that Hezbollah has had political control over souther Lebanon and those officials have long been cooperating with Hezbollah.

Hezbollah has a very long history of telling easily disproven lies to further their cause. Why are these reports of civilian casualties by the officials that have actively supported them for years credible when they obviously make little sense.

If Israel were indiscriminately targeting civilians or even being a bit careless with the number of strikes they have made, the death total would be many thousands.

Israel has shown restraint and careful targeting that put Nato's actions in Bosnia to shame. That is obvious by simply looking at that map.

Why is the simply logic of cause and effect so hard for people to understand?

If Lebanon wants to be free from war with Israel, they need to take active steps to keep Hezbollah and other such organizations from using their country as a base of operations from which to attack Israel. They need to quit being the pawns of Iran and Syria who attack Israel by proxy so that the consequences fall on Lebanon.

75 posted on 07/24/2006 1:43:29 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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>>>>The war in Lebanon has failed to divide Lebanese Christians and Muslims, said a Maronite Catholic priest in Lebanon, and "their unity is the only way to survive." <<<<

That's strange. A few days ago I heard Lebanese emphasize their hope that Israel eventually destroys Hezbollah. The Lebanese stated their nation will never be safe as long as Hezbollah has any power.

I guess it depends on who you believe: the left or the right.


79 posted on 07/24/2006 2:01:38 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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Where are your biased propaganda statistics from? The "Total Hezbollah?"

Let's start with this question -- where is the number for "displaced Israelis?" Oh right, they don't count.


82 posted on 07/24/2006 4:31:22 PM PDT by dervish (Bolton for Secretary of State)
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