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IRS Threatens Political Speech
US House ^ | 24 Jul | Congressman Ron Paul

Posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:43 AM PDT by xzins

Five years ago, I wrote about threats made by the Internal Revenue Service against conservative churches for supposedly engaging in politicking. Today, the IRS is again attempting to chill free speech, sending notices to more than 15,000 non-profit organizations—including churches—regarding its new crackdown on political activity.

But what exactly constitutes political activity? What if a member of the clergy urges his congregation to work toward creating a pro-life culture, when an upcoming election features a pro-life candidate? What if a minister admonishes churchgoers that homosexuality is sinful, when an initiative banning gay marriage is on an upcoming ballot? Where exactly do we draw the line, and when does the IRS begin to violate the First amendment’s guarantee of free exercise of religion?

I agree with my colleague Walter Jones of North Carolina that the political views of any particular church or its members are none of the government’s business. Congressman Jones introduced legislation that addresses this very serious issue of IRS harassment of churches engaging in conservative political activity. This bill is badly needed to end the IRS practice of threatening certain politically disfavored faiths with loss of their tax-exempt status, while ignoring the very open and public political activities of other churches. While some well-known leftist preachers routinely advocate socialism from the pulpit, many conservative Christian and Jewish congregations cannot present their political beliefs without risking scrutiny from the tax collector.

The supposed motivation behind the ban on political participation by churches is the need to maintain a rigid separation between church and state. However, the First amendment simply prohibits the federal government from passing laws that establish religion or prohibit the free exercise of religion. There certainly is no mention of any "separation of church and state," yet lawmakers and judges continually assert this mythical doctrine.

The result is court rulings and laws that separate citizens from their religious beliefs in all public settings, in clear violation of the free exercise clause. Our Founders never envisioned a rigidly secular public society, where people must nonsensically disregard their deeply held beliefs in all matters of government and politics. They certainly never imagined that the federal government would actively work to chill the political activities of some churches.

Speech is speech, regardless of the setting. There is no legal distinction between religious expression and political expression; both are equally protected by the First amendment. Religious believers do not drop their political opinions at the door of their place of worship, nor do they disregard their faith at the ballot box. Religious morality will always inform the voting choices of Americans of all faiths.

The political left, however, seeks to impose the viewpoint that public life must be secular, and that government cannot reflect morality derived from faith. Many Democrats, not all, are threatened by strong religious institutions because they want an ever-growing federal government to serve as the unchallenged authority in our society. So the real motivation behind the insistence on a separation of church and state is not based on respect for the First amendment, but rather on a desire to diminish the influence of religious conservatives at the ballot box.

The Constitution's guarantee of religious freedom must not depend on the whims of IRS bureaucrats. Religious institutions cannot freely preach their beliefs if they must fear that the government will accuse them of "politics." We cannot allow churches to be silenced any more than we can allow political dissent in general to be silenced. Free societies always have strong, independent institutions that are not afraid to challenge and criticize the government.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; churchandstate; elections; firstamendment; freeexercise; freespeech; govwatch; irs; scotus; taxes
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To: pigdog
ALL donations should be made with untaxed money ... and under the FairTax, they are.

And on this, we agree completely.
301 posted on 07/27/2006 2:15:40 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: pigdog

There is a saying - the more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets. You made your point about 25 posts ago.


302 posted on 07/27/2006 2:15:52 PM PDT by dirtboy (Glad to see the ink was still working in Bush's veto pen, now that he wisely used it on this bill)
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To: pigdog
Under the FairTax that's the case. All of the "exempt" and "deduct" nonsense is merely an artifact of having an income tax - nothing more.

Personally, I think the 16th Amendment was bad law and that's what started all this crap. In fact, I find it's badness to be second only to the 17th Amendment.
303 posted on 07/27/2006 2:16:53 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: dirtboy
There should be no ability to "qualify for tax-exempt activity". No ability at all. To allow that is to admit it's OK fopr the government to control/influence the populace through the tax system - and that's plainly wrong (and has been wrong now for almost 100 years).

It's time to change that.

It's time for the FairTax!!!

304 posted on 07/27/2006 2:20:31 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

Dude, you're spamming now. These were not responses to you.


305 posted on 07/27/2006 2:21:30 PM PDT by dirtboy (Glad to see the ink was still working in Bush's veto pen, now that he wisely used it on this bill)
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To: JamesP81
Yes I did get that impression and I'm glad to know it's not so because your posts sounded very rational. My apologies!

You can't imagine the absurd statements encountered by FairTax supporters (or, perhaps, you can).

306 posted on 07/27/2006 2:24:42 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: dirtboy
Ah, then do you agree that the FairTax is preferable than the present tax system with respect to church/charitable giving?

I'd have to note, too, that the FairTax is far from being a "dead cat" as it now has more sponsors/cosponsors than any tax bill in history as well as powerful - and growing - grassroots support. It sounds to me as though you're not too current on the FairTax effort and are merely hoping to brush it off. Won't happen!

307 posted on 07/27/2006 2:31:14 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: JamesP81
You'd know that for sure if you ever read Cleon Skousens paper that describes the Republican miscalculation that let it come into being. But the SCOTUS has said that the 16th added no new taxing powers - but that's a different argument. Indeed one of the objectives of the FairTax effort is a repeal of the 16th (it's terrible law IMO - as is an income tax).
308 posted on 07/27/2006 2:35:19 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
AMEN, Pigdog. Sorry about that.

FairTax is an excellent idea.

309 posted on 07/27/2006 2:39:48 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: dirtboy
No kidding??? You mean I can only speak when spoken to??? Sort of like a 5 year old, eh?

I thought this was a public forum where people could offer up comments when they thought of the ... goes ta' show ya' ...

310 posted on 07/27/2006 2:42:41 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
No kidding??? You mean I can only speak when spoken to???

There are forum rules about spamming. You're doing that now. You are making basically the same post over and over to me, even though the posts you are responding to were to another poster, not to you. It's impolite. I really don't want to get thirty posts from you to me when I did not post them to you. A couple are enough.

311 posted on 07/27/2006 2:45:10 PM PDT by dirtboy (Glad to see the ink was still working in Bush's veto pen, now that he wisely used it on this bill)
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To: RFC_Gal; xzins
Isn't Ken Ham facing jail time for claiming that he didn't have to pay any taxes because he was a church and all he had belonged to God?

Could you be thinking of Kent Hovind?

312 posted on 07/27/2006 2:53:52 PM PDT by newgeezer ("Hezbollah" is deceptive. The accurate translation is "Hezb'Allah"; it means 'party of Allah')
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To: newgeezer

Yes - that is correct. My apologizes to Mr. Ham.


313 posted on 07/27/2006 2:55:40 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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To: dirtboy
Well, no, it's not the same post though some of the subjects are similar, but that's not too surprising since you seem to be saying the same thing over and over (wait a minute; doesn't that meet your "spamming" definition???).

I see - it's OK if you do it, but you get to decide on who to shut off and who not to, eh?

Sort of like the government does using the tax laws??? Gottit!!

And when I see something in someone's post worth commenting on I plan to comment on it should the spirit move me (or do you get to grant/take away "exemptions" for that?).

Oh, and BTW, my posts are on topic about the IRS and tax system so they are hardly "spam". You may find them "impolite" and not care for them etc. but spam they ain't.

314 posted on 07/27/2006 2:58:25 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: dirtboy

It is not a special privilege for religion to engage in political speech. It is part of religion to engage in political speech.

Honesty requires honesty about the culture and politics, too.

I think John Kerry is a lying, anti-God, pro-babykilling, anti-american, anti-family socialist. If it is the truth, then it should be said from some pulpit someplace.


315 posted on 07/27/2006 3:01:48 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: GSlob
"This "massive expense" is no proper business of government."

True, but if government succeeds in stripping away the Church's tax exempt status it will affect the Church's ability to feed, house and care for the poor, and the government WILL take up the slack with more welfare benefits to more poor, that's a given.

316 posted on 07/27/2006 4:28:01 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: gdani

The 1st Amendment says Congress can't pass any law that prohibits the free exercise of religion. Since the legislation that established 501(c)(3) organizations acts to do exactly that, then that legislation violates the 1st Amendment and is therefore null and void.

You see, according to the Constitution, it's the Congress that doesn't have the right to do what it's done, not the churches.


317 posted on 07/27/2006 4:36:23 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: pigdog
You can't imagine the absurd statements encountered by FairTax supporters (or, perhaps, you can).

I like the ones that howl hysterically that it will collapse the economy.
318 posted on 07/27/2006 4:41:57 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: pigdog; tumblindice
Under our income tax, employers can save a lot using illegals and illegals can earn enough to live.

Under the income tax:
an illegal earning 34,100 today keeps 34,100.
the illegal has no federal tax withheld - he's paid cash.
The illegal costs the employer 34,100 - the employer does not remit the 2608.75 in employer fica either).

Under the nrst:
an illegal earning 34,800 would only keep 26,800.
the illegal would provide $8000 in federal taxes. Would he work for $8,000 less?

Maybe. Maybe he'd ask for more. Maybe the employer would be just as well hiring a legal resident?

Since he's illegal, he doesn't get the monthly tax rebate to offset tax on necessities, so he bears a greater tax burden than legal residents.

A legal resident OTOH would fare much better. The same 34,100 (assuming a family of 4) would keep 32,329 as this legal family's rebate offsets much of their tax.

319 posted on 07/27/2006 6:17:07 PM PDT by Principled
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To: tumblindice

sorry pinged wrong poster


320 posted on 07/27/2006 6:18:57 PM PDT by Principled
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