Posted on 07/28/2006 8:19:37 AM PDT by jennivinson
I have a liberal fishing buddy, a good guy, as you said, who often in conversation mocks the conservative distrust of government. He particularly likes to laugh at the bumper sticker that reads, "I love my country, but I don't trust my government." Whenever he gets going on that I usually say to him, "I guess that means you really trust Bush and the Republican majority in Congress," which normally renders him speechless for a few minutes. Still, he doesn't get the point, our country was founded on distrust of government, France, just the opposite. If we give government power to use in our pet causes, the opposition will be able to use that power in theirs.
But there are plenty of conservatives, W included, who are on the same page with that mindset.
MinnesotaLibertarian,
A VERY Liberal person who works at the radio station asked repeatedly if there was a list of Liberal talking points-- why hadn't she seen it. She keep sayings that Liberals do not exist. That's the new ploy-- Not only does the emperor have no clothes on-- but now the emperor is not even there at all.
So, for the past month I made a valiant effort to scour sources for Liberal Talking Points to present to her. She railed against them and was adamant about how it was impossible for a Conservative to present Liberal Talking Points.
It was tough to do since Liberals don't have a list to offer. Lots of sources have to scoured. Nontheless, the Talking points are THEIR agenda-- not mine. I simply question the logic and reason of their plans.
Jenni
You have not really addressed my criticism. I questioned whether trashy attacks on liberals and liberalism was good for the conservative movement, and in return I've received a marginally coherent anecdote about a woman at a radio station who challenged you to come up with a list of liberal talking points.
As for your points themselves, they don't strike me as well-researched in the least. It looks like it was slapped together in about five minutes, and based solely on your perception of liberalism. The quality of the writing is poor and the attitude is obnoxious. These "talking points" don't strike me as something a liberal would actually say, even if they believed them at heart.
Not a single one of your "points" is sourced in any way. If you wanted good sources for liberal talking points, you could have simply looked at the Democratic Party platform. Many liberal advocacy groups, including the ones you mentioned, also have platforms or sets of ideals, but rather than source them you've stated for yourself the beliefs you believe they hold, rather than what they've actually said.
Of course I wouldn't expect you to merely parrot liberal ideals without saying anything critical. But a much more effective way to convey opposition to liberal ideas would be to quote them exactly rather than putting words in their mouths, and then respond to the liberal idea/claim. As I said before, we should be championing conservative ideas, not trashing liberals.
I have no doubt that I've angered you by this point, so I might as well go all out and again state that I also feel that your idea of conservatism seems to be far off from the ideas and attitudes espoused by Barry Goldwater, who is considered by most to be the founding father of the modern conservative movement. Big government intrusion into private lives and religious influence in government are not conservative ideas. They are antithetical to the conservative ideal of smaller government and respect for the Bill of Rights.
I did list the sources-- you have selective reading. Obviously, you are an offended Liberal. So sorry. Check my webpage in the upcoming days. I will add the sources-- in most cases more than ONE.
What strikes me as odd is that YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW THIS STUFF!!! Why would it offend you so??
I had no reason to trash talk. I sought to enlight.
You may argue this information may have already been said enough- but that would be untrue.
Again==- SORRY-- but this list is sourced. It is Liberal Agenda Talking Points and a clear picture of what Liberals hope to achieve for this country.
Jenni
Yes, liberals have practiced sophistry and outright deception for years in order to destroy our law and our culture.
And yes again, liberals, above all else, do not want Americans to see what liberals really stand for, because Americans would be appalled to realize the radicalism on your list really are what liberals stand for.
The godless left has made much headway because their depraved leftist goals are indoctrination points at most every Public School everyday.
If not for the far left takeover of the Public Schools and Universities, liberalism would be dead.
"..This is just a more involved version of the "Communist Rules for Revolution" that were supposedly found after WWI in Germany. This is almost certainly a hoax. Read all about it at http://www.snopes.com/language/document/commrule.htm
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11 posted on 08/17/2003 6:46:43 PM PDT by MrShow-BobAndDavid
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965685/posts?page=11#11
First of all, this is an assessment based on what OUR Liberal community says and has said.
Secondly, were this not an assessment, a fair assessment, then why is it that Liberal Humanism around the world behaves in this same manner?
Why is it that China and Russia and Cuba and all Communist states ruled by Liberal Humanism reign over those humans with these same rules?
Jenni
It's best not to post stuff that people can check out on Snopes (or elsewhere) and find it listed as a hoax. It diminishes one's credibility - rightly or wrongly.
It speaks VOLUMES that most liberals try to disassociate themselves from that label,,,,while most conservatives OPENLY AND PROUDLY EMBRACE the 'lable', conservative! Why is that?
Enough said.
You're welcome. I saw it posted on here plenty of times and didn't question it myself until I saw that 2003 post by another FReeper linking to Snopes.
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