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Court: Boy Scouts Must Release Abuse Files
Townhall.com ^ | Thursday, July 27, 2006 | unknown

Posted on 07/28/2006 11:04:00 AM PDT by Ignatz

Decades of files that the Boy Scouts of America compiled on sexual abuse allegations can be used in a lawsuit claiming the organization was ineffective at preventing abuse, the state Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

About 1,000 files, with names redacted, have been given to the lawyers for three men who say their scoutmaster abused them from 1971 to 1983 when they were Boy Scouts. The files are sealed by court order for now but could be made public at trial, plaintiff's attorney Tim Kosnoff said.

The files include court records and news accounts, as well as rumors and tips from parents and others. Names of accusers, their parents and the alleged perpetrators were removed.

The Boy Scouts has kept such files since the group's inception in 1910 but destroyed records when alleged perpetrators either turned 75 or died, plantiff's attorney Mark Honeywell said.

In addition to the 1,000 files from the Washington case, the attorneys have 1,900 files from a separate court case.

A call to the Boy Scouts organization, based in Irving, Texas, was not returned Thursday.

A statement from the organization said it appealed to the high court out of concern that turning over the files could undermine the effectiveness of Scout youth protection programs.

The Boy Scouts organization says it trains boys how to recognize, resist and report abuse, and background checks for new volunteers have been required since 2003.

The national Scouts organization, its local branches and the former scoutmaster, Bruce Phelps, were named as defendants in the sex abuse lawsuit.

Phelps, 53, of Seattle, settled his portion of the lawsuit months ago and admitted to sexual abuse in a deposition, according to the Kosnoff and Honeywell.

Phelps' attorney, Kenneth Kagan, confirmed the settlement but said Phelps did not admit to all of the plaintiffs' allegations.

Seattle police detectives looked into Phelps' case, but no criminal charges were filed, Kagan said. The lawsuit was filed about 20 years after the alleged abuse ended, and the age of the claims played into the police's decision, Kagan said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; cubscouts; gayagenda; gaypedophiles; gaypredators; gayrecruiting; homosexualagenda; liberalhypocrisy; morality; waronchristianity
What hypocrisy! San Fran (as well as other cities and groups) cut off all funding to the Boy Scouts because they do not allow homosexuals in their (private) organization. Yet, when a few homosexuals "sneak in" and abuse boys, then the Boy Scouts are sued.
1 posted on 07/28/2006 11:04:01 AM PDT by Ignatz
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To: Ignatz

I'm a former Boy Scout. I'm disgusted. Apparently the Boy Scouts are harassed when they don't permit homosexuals as adult leaders, yet they are harassed when homosexual child abuse is revealed.


2 posted on 07/28/2006 11:08:35 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: Ignatz
...About 1,000 files, with names redacted...and the alleged perpetrators were removed...

Yeah. Better protect the perverts!

3 posted on 07/28/2006 11:08:36 AM PDT by LRS
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To: Ignatz
What hypocrisy! San Fran (as well as other cities and groups) cut off all funding to the Boy Scouts because they do not allow homosexuals in their (private) organization. Yet, when a few homosexuals "sneak in" and abuse boys, then the Boy Scouts are sued.

Clearly, the real goal is the destruction of the Boy Scouts of America. They are an icon of everything the Left hates. They have a clear, defined moral code. They teach children something other than collectivist propaganda. They're successful at what they do, and they're popular.

The very term "Boy Scout" implies integrity, honesty and selfless service to God and country. If there are principles that the Left hates more thoroughly than those, I am unaware of them.

They want to destroy the organization, from within and without. Period.

4 posted on 07/28/2006 11:09:46 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: Ignatz

This Phelps fellow would have been a scoutmaster at 18...that's pretty unusual.


5 posted on 07/28/2006 11:09:56 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Ignatz

The very same evil lawyers suing the Boy Scouts for refusing to allow open NAMBLA homosexuals as scoutmasters.


6 posted on 07/28/2006 11:12:46 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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To: Renfield

Youth Boy Scouts can become adult leaders when they turn 18. Many do this and become Assistant Scoutmasters.


7 posted on 07/28/2006 11:13:22 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: TChris
Clearly, the real goal is the destruction of the Boy Scouts of America.

I'm sure there's some lawyers doing it just for the money.

8 posted on 07/28/2006 11:15:33 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: LRS
Yeah. Better protect the perverts!

Unless those cases went to court, they are only allegations. An accusation isn't the same as a guilty verdict. We have no idea what's in those files.

9 posted on 07/28/2006 11:15:50 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: redpoll

That pretty much sums it up.


10 posted on 07/28/2006 11:16:14 AM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: 50sDad
We have no idea what's in those files.

This would be a good time for the Boy Scouts to publicly state that, in spite of their best efforts, occasionally a faggot slips through, and this is why they do not allow KNOWN faggots to join their organization. Now, since they have reasonable cause to suspect the sex deviates' activity that will occur if they are allowed to join, they have legitimized their position, and a reasonable court could find that the ACLU/NAMBLA/Faggots-R-Us/etc. do NOT have to be allowed to join, and it is NON-DISCRIMINATORY as it is in self-defense. Case closed.

11 posted on 07/28/2006 11:22:15 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: scripter; DBeers

Ping to the list (ugh)


12 posted on 07/28/2006 11:28:33 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: traditional1

The response would be that not all gays are pedophiles. It still wouldn't be seen as a protective measure. The Boy Scouts just don't discriminate against the CORRECT people. *sigh*


13 posted on 07/28/2006 11:29:52 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: TChris

***They want to destroy the organization, from within and without. Period.***

You've got it!

And they use multiculturalism to TEAR THIS COUNTRY apart.


14 posted on 07/28/2006 11:32:27 AM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
The response would be that not all gays are pedophiles

Although that's probably the response, the mere attempt to justify deviates being allowed to join would be damaged significantly by public perception, and the court would be faced with the battle of competing expert witnesses arguing the point, ad nauseum, and coming to some compromise that would be SHORT of forcing cut-off's of public funding of the Boy Scouts, I believe. (depends if it gets past the the 9th Circus Court of Appeals, which surely would be where the ACLU would bring the case to get to the 9th Circus).

15 posted on 07/28/2006 11:48:18 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: Renfield

One has to be 21 to be a Scoutmaster, but can (as of 1993) be an Assistant Scoutmaster at 18.


16 posted on 07/28/2006 11:52:48 AM PDT by fredhead (Women want me....Fish fear me....Oh well, one out of two ain't bad.)
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To: traditional1
the mere attempt to justify deviates being allowed to join would be damaged significantly by public perception,

I would hope so but some in "the public" worry me. I truly hope the BSA finds a slick "gotcha" lawyer.

17 posted on 07/28/2006 12:00:51 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: traditional1

It would also be a good time to mention that 100% of the boys were abused by homosexuals.


18 posted on 07/28/2006 12:22:00 PM PDT by keats5
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To: Ignatz

First the catholic church and now the boy scouts!This is just a concerted effort to trash the boy scouts and extort money with the usual help from the courts!


19 posted on 07/28/2006 12:35:17 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Ignatz

People don't sue, lawyers sue.

They go trolling for plaintiffs.


20 posted on 07/28/2006 12:37:59 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Renfield

.....This Phelps fellow would have been a scoutmaster at 18...that's pretty unusual......

He likely bacame a registered adult Scouter at 18. He would have held Assistant positions for quite a while. That is he merely reregistered as an adult on turning 18.


21 posted on 07/28/2006 12:42:12 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. 48 year BSA member)
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To: LRS
...About 1,000 files, with names redacted...and the alleged perpetrators were removed... Yeah. Better protect the perverts!

Not to mention the victims of false accusations and wild speculation, as well as those who provided actual evidence under agreements of anonymity.

22 posted on 07/28/2006 1:38:48 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton; DJ MacWoW
Yes, I must admit that my disgust for predators over rode my common sense. There are probably innocent people in those files as well. And, the BSA are in a tough position on this: damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Either way, a law suit is going to happen.

But, BTW, one thing I will not back up on: BSA should have the right to discriminate against gay scoutmasters. If anyone wants a Queer Scouts organization, let them create one.
23 posted on 07/28/2006 2:29:27 PM PDT by LRS
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24 posted on 07/28/2006 2:44:23 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Renfield

Not really, I became an ASM when I turned 18 (right before then, I was a JASM)

Unfortunately, I'm only nominally involved with my unit because of college...


25 posted on 07/28/2006 5:30:55 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; Pan_Yans Wife; ...

The left won't rest until Scouting is no more.


26 posted on 07/28/2006 11:20:47 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Ignatz

It wasn't the organization's job to prevent abuse. It was the job of the organizations sponsoring the units.


27 posted on 07/29/2006 5:21:38 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Ignatz

When someone wants to register as an adult leader with a Troop, Pack, Crew or Ship, the Committee Chair of the unit's committee and the Institutional Representative or the Institutional Head sign off on it stating that they believe the individual to be of good character and fit to serve. The IH is the head of the organization sponsoring the unit (Rector of the church, President of the PTA, etc.); the IR would be someone designated by the IH to represent the sponsoring institution to the unit and make sure the unit is acting in the sponsor's interests and is being run in accordance with the policies of both the sponsor and the BSA.

The BSA has no way to police the character and actions of whoever the sponsor decides to sign up. That's the sponsor's job. If allegations or offenses do surface, the BSA can and does ban that person from being registered with the BSA, but there's little that they can do before the fact; they are not there observing. A BSA unit belongs to the sponsor, it's not run directly by the BSA. I'd like to know what these folks think the BSA could have done about these situations.


28 posted on 07/29/2006 5:28:31 PM PDT by RonF
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To: SandRat
The left won't rest until Scouting is no more.

They'll never make it in their attempt to destroy Scouting, though, because the program is too awesome and instills too much loyalty.

My oldest went Life on Friday and is about to begin his last Eagle merit badge. Hope things are great with you.

29 posted on 07/29/2006 7:54:37 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Things are going well just tired.

Congrats on your oldest making Life. The MBs go by fast the tough one is the Eagle Packet/Project.


30 posted on 07/29/2006 8:57:27 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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