'Psalm in a bog' Linked To Israel's Current War - Scripture find in Ireland

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | By Joe Kovacs

[Iam1ru1-2]

"You mean it was written after 1948?"

There's an old Confutze saying that is apropos for you:

"It is better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt."

Perhaps a frozen keyboard would do the trick in this case.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Yes, go plant your trees, but remember it's hard to that while on the computor. SmileyCentral.com

Not if they're fractal trees. 8>)

[Darkwolf377]

There's an old Confutze saying that is apropos for you: "It is better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt." Perhaps a frozen keyboard would do the trick in this case.

I always know one of you folks has lost when you disengage from the facts and go to the insults. How very Christian of you.

[Coyoteman]

Your knowledge of irreducible complexity seems to be very limited. Go to the web and read about the recent discovery about the flagellar motor of a bacteria that looks like it was produced in a maching shop, meaning intelligent design. Or are you one of those who says, "don't confuse me with facts, I've already made up my mind because I don't want to be accountable for my actions to a creator God even if He exists. It cramps my lifestyle.

I'll wager I have read more creation science (and the recent offspring, Intelligent Design) websites than you have read scientific websites.

They are not science. They are apologetics (defense of religion).

As for ID, it is all laid out in The Wedge Strategy. It is a PR effort from start to finish--no science involved.

Ping me when the Discovery Institute actually makes a discovery.

[Darkwolf377]

There's an old Confutze saying that is apropos for you: "It is better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt."

BTW, I didn't know Abraham Lincoln spelled his name "Confutze" but hey, you sure are putting that quote into practice, fool. ;)

[Celtjew Libertarian]

A Computer-Grown Tree

A poem is a tree,
Planted in uncertain ground,
Bearing doubtful fruit,
But glorious, if it blooms,
And Godly, if it takes root.

[Logical Extinction]

"For this to have been an act of God, God would have to have been all-knowing, foreseen this very conflict roughly 1,000 years before it occurred, foreseen the bog market, foreseen the use of power tools, foreseen the individual working the equipment and ensured this particular one was working that part of that bog that day, have created the book of its various parts (leather, the paper within) in the first place, have placed it in that place for 1,000 years of earthquakes and various other acts of God, foreseen the person who purchased the land would happen to be of the save artifacts mindset (not common among money-hungry landowners) and foreseen the need to it open to that page on that day. I don't know, seems all haphazard to me."

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The author suggests that these random events were unable to reach this moment, via the chaos of history, at exactly the right time.

I disagree.

Chaos is not random, but is an occult, "hidden," or implicate order within nature. 

Deism is the belief that the Creator put the universe into motion, but rather than remaining separate from it, actually became it, remaining hidden in the background and operating as natural law.

This law, it was believed, could be discerned by the minds of people who cared to look for it.

Many of the founders of the United States were deists, including Benjamin Franklin and George Washington.

Or the discovery of the universal rhythms that permeate chaos, may simply be the fingerprints of God.

But, either way, this small series of seemingly random events is small potatoes in the beautiful dance of math that underlies all nature.

Regards,

[bereanway]

"Which would be business as usual at any point since this thing was written."

I have no idea what you're having trouble comprehending. It may have been business as usual for a little over 1,000 years after the Psalm was penned, but for 1,878 years there was no nation of Israel. Starting in about 70 AD to 1948. How on earth could the enemies of Israel be "attempting to destroy the nation" if no nation existed for most of the time period since the penning of the psalm to the present.

Therefore your above noted statement is nonsensical.

[Darkwolf377]

I have no idea what you're having trouble comprehending.

I have no trouble comprehending anything except your inability to get the point. And frankly, I couldn't care less that you people are all pissy about this, because I don't value your opinion. Have a nice night.

[Republican Wildcat]

Finding an old book in a bog is not a sign. If the text found something along the lines of "This book will be found with the nation of Israel at war..." yadda, yadda, yadda, then maybe. But this isn't a very convincing case at all.

[rawcatslyentist]

>" Or the discovery of the universal rhythms that permeate chaos, may simply be the fingerprints of God.

But, either way, this small series of seemingly random events is small potatoes in the beautiful dance of math that underlies all nature.

Possibly the Brilliance of the design blinds us to its very existance! How would we know?

[AmericaUnited]

[AmericaUnited]

I'm an archaeologist, so I don't go off on flights of fancy like the author of the article.

Oh that's hysterically funny! You evo's find a speck of bone and then go on the wildest flights of fancy, telling us all about the animals mating rituals, how they communicated, what designer clothing they liked, what TV shows they watched, what they had for dinner the night before, etc. , etc.

[RoadTest]

This also gives the lie to the opinion that scripture wasn't available to people before the printing press with moveable type came along. Throughout every century in virtually every European and free Mediterranean nation scriptures, such as the book of Psalms, or a Gospel, were easily available to everybody at a reasonable price.

They were copied by believers and made available as a Christian witness and evangelizing tool. Christians apart from the Catholic Church (which did indeed keep the Bible from its people) thrived from Bulgaria to Scotland, from the first century until the thirteenth.

[Clara Lou]

LOL!
[What a thread!]

[sasha123]

Really, when did that happen?

[sasha123]

I found the news article about them saying it was opened to Psalm 84 not 83 due to the numbering in the pages being different then. But, this is really strange, don't you think? The director of the museum was referring to a particular part in chapter 83. Do you think this is true or they are trying to keep everyone from reading too much into it?

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0728/1153813832813.html

[EBH]

Boy or boy, what a crazy mixed up thread...or maybe we're supposed to be reading 82,83, and 84 all together for some type of context.

[Just mythoughts]

I really have no idea about why the Psalm found was not more clearly identified. Tells me that it being from the Vulgate is not a source most of us are familiar with. Further since we do not know what else is in this 'book' King James Psalm 83 may well still be included.

Could well be that since it was in "Latin" and dated 800 - to a 1,000 years ago we should have known more than we did.

However, whatever the case I will look at it this as a lesson in being reminded things are not always as they seem at first glance. And I got sent back to revisit parts of the Bible and reminded there are various translations that have been produced since the originals were penned.

King James - Psalms 83 still says what it says and at least it got people to opening their Bibles, no matter why this all happened the way it did.

[sasha123]

The page that is showing on bible - only appears to be a written scripture. The book name (Psalms in this case) or even the chapter or scripture number does not appear to be legible. All that can be read is a few lines which is what I thought they were originally referring to. We need a translator from the page that is showing.