Yes, go plant your trees, but remember it's hard to that while on the computor. 
Posted on 07/29/2006 7:36:51 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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I rest my case!!
Then why your fascination with prognostication? With using God's holy Word for the unholy purpose of fortune telling, divination, rather than as His manual for living?
You have not been keeping up with tha latest find about "Irreducible Complexity" have you. It take a great deal more faith to believe what "scientists" are purporting to be "fact" when in their innermost being, all they're doing to find things which back up their "evilution THEORY"......even if they have to make things out of whole cloth, which all of what they say about evilution is. Archaeologists usually keep an open mind, but atheist archaeologists are completely closed mind about anything that might result in Divine Intervention or miracles.
You seem to be confused with "prophecy" and "prognostication". Prognostication is something people do WITHOUT God's revelation. Prophecy is GOD HIMSELF telling mankind what He's going to do through prophets who GOD HIMSELF have appointed to deliver these prophecies, thus the title "prophets".
Suffice to say, I don't think Jesus was the Messiah. I could give a why or two, but I don't feel like starting a flamewar.
Suffice to say that Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai's comment is part of a philosophy that God put us on Earth to do good on Earth. When God is ready to send the Messiah, He will send the Messiah. Until then, we continue to do what God put us here for.
Too many people have wasted too much of their lives, doing nothing but sitting on their elbows, waiting for the Messiah to come -- whether or not, it's the Messiah's first or second arrival. If you ask me, it's an unholy wastefulness of the life God gave people.
Some might venture to say it began with the "Burning Bush".
"Israel didn't even exist for over 1500 years until June of 1948,"
To be even more precise, about 1,878 years.
You're talking about Israel as we know it now. This relic which you are so ready to believe is, by your own standard, false because it refers to a state that didn't exist at the time of its writing.
But of course, the land of Israel, the land of the children referenced in the Bible re:Jacob, has existed for thousands of years.
Next time you're waving that Bible around and trying to look so damned smart, you might try opening it and actually reading it. You won't completely embarass yourself.
I studied evolution, fossil man, and human osteology quite a bit in grad school--six years worth.
"Irreducible Complexity" is on the order of "Bumblebees can't fly -- the math proves it!"
Math and philosophy are weak opponents to real-world observations. I wouldn't bet the rent money on it.
Anyone who includes "evilution" in their posts (twice!) gives away their premises rather quickly.
You are not doing archaeology or anything close; you are doing apologetics.
It's so much fun to watch fools prattling on about how smart they are, and then seeing them flop on their faces. :)
So becoming missionaries to foreign lands, giving up your own lifestyle to spread the "Good News" of Jesus The Messiah is just "sitting on their elbows, waiting for the Messiah to come"? You must know very little about Christians and their devotion to their God and Christ if you think that we just sit on our elbows, waiting for the Messiah to come. How pitiful.
Your knowledge of irreducible complexity seems to be very limited. Go to the web and read about the recent discovery about the flagellar motor of a bacteria that looks like it was produced in a maching shop, meaning intelligent design. Or are you one of those who says, "don't confuse me with facts, I've already made up my mind because I don't want to be accountable for my actions to a creator God even if He exists. It cramps my lifestyle.
Why don't you try reading the entire book of Psalms, written the most famous of Israel's Kings, and the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Amos, Obadiah, Malachai, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Micah, Hahum, Habakkuk, Haggai, and Zephaniah. Because it appears YOU ARE THE ONE who knows nothing of Biblical History.
However, people who think the Messiah is just around the corner and therefore they don't have to concern themselves with the everyday, Earthly lives of themselves and others are wasting their lives.
That's not something exclusive to Christians. Jews have done their share of it as well. Many of those who followed Sabbatai Zevi, to the exclusion of real lifes, for example.
And now, I really need to be planting trees.
I love how you sidestep your embarassing, total, and obvious error, and don't have the guts to admit you blew it because you were grandstanding. Instead you make a list that has nothing at all to do with my complete demolition of your silly flame, as if that somehow disproves my point.
You were wrong. A mature, intelliegent, graceful follower of the Bible's teachings could admit it. I'm not surprised you can't.
You mean it was written after 1948?
Sometimes these are just too damned easy.
Yes, go plant your trees, but remember it's hard to that while on the computor.
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