Posted on 07/31/2006 5:09:06 AM PDT by SJackson
America and Israel are going to lose the war in Lebanon, and the American Left will have a lot to answer for.
The United States and Israel and every sentient being in the path of the Islamist crusade are teetering on the brink of a massive defeat in Lebanon and thus in the war on terror. Lest it be forgotten, this is a war that began with the Ayatollahs’ revolution in Iran in 1979 which established the first radical Islamic state whose masters’ war cry was “Death to America” and the establishment of a global Islamic empire. Nearly thirty years later, Iran is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons and its imperial war is now being waged on Iran’s Lebanese frontier by its Hezbollah proxy. One month into the fighting which began with the attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah on the state of Israel, the scenario for the West’s defeat in this phase of the war is quite obvious and quite simple.
The appeasers of Islamofascism, who have been calling for a ceasefire and bewailing “civilian casualties” in Lebanon and Gaza, will succeed. Hezbollah will agree to turn over its arms to the pro-Hezbollah Lebanese army. The pro-Hezbollah UN will establish a security zone on Lebanon’s southern border to keep the area clear of non-government militias, of which the Hezbollah “militia” is the only one. The credulous in the Western camp will greet this as a victory for the peacemakers. But exactly the opposite will be the case.
According to a recent poll in Lebanon eighty percent of the Lebanese Arabs support Hezbollah. In other words, just as Hamas, which was created by the same Muslim Brotherhood that spawned al-Qaeda, is now the Palestinian government, so Hezbollah will emerge as the government of Lebanon. The Lebanese army will become the new Hezbollah “militia.” Only it won’t be a militia. It will be the terrorist army of a sovereign power, with the right to openly negotiate its arms deals with Syria and Iran. The next battle with Iran, in other words, will be World War III.
In fact, the next battleground in the spread of Shi’ia fascism is already in progress and aflame. It is Iraq, where Iran’s Shi’ia armies are already in the field under the command of the sheik of Sadr City, the America-hating cleric Moqtadar al-Sadr. Al-Sadr, it should be noted, is alive and in the field because the appeasers in this country, beginning with the Democratic Party but extending into the Bush State Department, stymied the first battle of Fallujah when al-Sadr was trapped and could have been killed and his militia destroyed. The Bush administration had to delay the attack until after Kerry’s defeat in the November 2004 elections in order to avoid the political complications that would have attended the battle in the midst of an election campaign.
But the first battle of Fallujah is only one of many defeats inflicted by the appeasers and abettors of Islamic imperialism in the West. The aid to the enemy within the Western camp has taken many forms, beginning with the hysterical and reckless attacks on the commander-in-chief of America’s forces as a liar and murderer, and the source of the terror that the Islamists create. Are there terrorists in Iraq? There were none there before George Bush created them. Is Hezbollah a Nazi army? It’s because the Jews “occupied” Palestinian lands. Of course, this is two lies in one. All Israeli “occupation” is the product of four aggressive Arab wars against Israel. When Israel withdraws – as in Lebanon – it is attacked. The source of the terror in Lebanon, as in Iraq, is to be found in the Koran and in the despotisms of the Arab Middle East. But the appeasement camp cannot face the reality that its enemy is implacable and its hatred uncaused by anything its targets – Jews, Christians, “infidels” – have done.
The division of America is the greatest threat to our ability to prevail in the War on Terror – and the Left knows this and is incited by it. America is not divided enough for the American Left, which is now in full purge mode in Connecticut, where it is attempting to bring down the one statesman in the Democratic Party who might re-unite this country in the face of its enemies.
Those who in the midst of these wars clamor for ceasefires with an implacable foe, those who call for withdrawals that would leave sovereign states in the hands of the terrorist forces, those who decry civilian casualties caused by the only forces in this war who do not target civilians, those Blame-America-Firsters who exploit the Abu Ghraibs on our side and not their atrocities, those whose hysterical fear of the conflict we face takes the form of pathological denial and projects the rabid hatred of the enemy for us onto our own commander in the war, are destined to have a lot to answer for before this conflict is over.
(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)
It's interesting that Mr Horowitz already has Israel losing the "war". I don't think I agree with him other that the part about a divided America.
Israel is locked into a generational war of attrition, neither side has the means to win decisively.
There is only one place where this war is to be decided and that is Iraq.
If we can build a stable democratic relatively peaceful Iraq, then we will send a real message to the other two rogue states Syria and Iran.
At the moment they see us bogged down in Iraq, and if we cannot create a stable Iraq we are less inclined to go for a direct regime change in Syria and Iran, but if we do declare a victory there it will have the following benefits.
1) It is possible to directly enact regime change .
2)It will free up resources for the next stage.
And with the experience we have garnered we will not make as many of the same mistakes.
I would target Iran next, Syria will fall without Iran, and without Iran and Syria, the Palestinians Hezzballa and other terrorist organistions will have to come to the conclusion that the armed struggle is not going to last and they will have to find peaceful means with dealing with Israel
If true, this is worrying me no end.
Unfortunately Horowitz is wrong. If we fail in Iraq and Israel fails in Lebanon the left will be able to claim victory. The sheeple won't take the time or devote the intellectual energy required to sort out the details. They will simply assume Bush and the conservatives were in charge and they failed.
The Jewish left in America is also responsible for the left having any say in American politics. Sad, really..
Al-Sadr, it should be noted, is alive and in the field because the appeasers in this country, beginning with the Democratic Party but extending into the Bush State Department, stymied the first battle of Fallujah when al-Sadr was trapped and could have been killed and his militia destroyed. The Bush administration had to delay the attack until after Kerry’s defeat in the November 2004 elections in order to avoid the political complications that would have attended the battle in the midst of an election campaign.
I hope I'm not giving away any secrets, but I see it a different way.
There will be war with Syria and Iran.
This operation is the first part of it, and it's objective is to secure Israels northern flank from infantry and Katusha attack from Lebanon.
Ultimately, an armed military UN backed buffer force will be inserted in South Lebanon. Any attacks on it will be seen as an attack on the UN. Hopefully, as many nationalities as possible will contribute. Those Nations will find it very difficult to withdraw their troops from a UN mandated mission. Hopefully Israel will be guaranteed security by the UN as part of it.
When this part is complete, the next stages will be the removal of Assad from the Syrian scene (by one means or another), and military action against Iran.
If we are to believe NPR and the other gleeful pollsters, Bush's effective presidency will end with the November election. Therfore he should take advantage of his time left to inflict maximum damage on our enemies before the cringing Democrats close the spigot.
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They're only going to lose because it appears they are going to allow diplomatic pressure to cause them to stop. It's hard to square the notion that Israel has to fight this war because the Jewish State is in mortal danger with their statements that they will not launch a massive ground invasion.
I hate to say it. but it is starting to appear that Israel has soundly smacked the tar baby.
how many times does Islam have to declare war before people listen?
I'm amazed.
Good grief. The leftist majority is so far left that people like Horowitz are bamboozled into thinking that a lib like Lieberman is a statesman.
You said: "If we can build a stable democratic relatively peaceful Iraq, "
Maybe we can build a stairway to the moon also.
We are dealing with Muslims here, not rational people.
Israel has the means to win decisively, more to the point is do they have the will to make it happen. The so-called world opinion is also something Israel considers when dealing with this. Look at the outcry over a few dead future terrorists and the progenitors of future terrorists.
They've been pulling the strings since Jefferson, a mason.
The Senate is about to lose its only pro-Israel Democrat. Horowitz wants to give him all the help he can. If Repubs can vote in the Dem Conn primary, here's a chance.
That all said, I can see from DH's tone that he is now well and truly a conservative and no liberal cells remain in his system. He has embraced the Tragic Vision, whether he realizes it or not. Long defeats and fruitless victories...
I noticed that things are moving along well in the rest of the country.
I felt pretty good about things until yesterday, but unfortunately it looks like Horowitz is correct. The Islamic Swine have gotten the world and Israel to focus on these so-called civilian casualties. And once saving some Lebanese child or children is more important that eliminating the missiles they are sleeping next to, it's all over. To the Islamic Swine, the women and children are just weapons of war. Take a look at one of those Pali Summer Bomb-belt camps for boys. Israel should be seeing these places as military targets. The world needs to be reminded that Israel's goal is only to disarm the Islamic Swine. The goal of the Islamic Swine is the same one that Adolph Hitler had. Fortunatley no one whined about civilian casualties when we eradicated Hitler's Army. (I'm not even thinking of German civilians in places like Dresden. I'm thinking of French civilians. But back then the New York Times was on our side.)
ML/NJ
I have to agree with you. I also heard yesterday about Israel regretting bombing that building. They had told those people for days to get out of the "war" zone. The press is always going to be against Israel.
I guess I am trying to be optimistic and not believe that Israel and the US will lose. I wonder why Horowitz is so convinced though? Does he think we are finally succumbing to the liberals?
Sorry, but the left isn't making the decisions. In this circumstance can you explain to me how a US capitulation would not be Bush's fault?
There is no logistical reason why Israel should not prevail, but they can't do it from the air. Just like the U.S. has done in Iraq, it will require going door to door in southern Lebanon, routing out Hezbollah one by one.
Unfortunately, there would be lots of Israeli casulaties, just like we've suffered lots of casualties. Don't know if Israel has the stomach for it or if Lebanon would stand for it. But I'm convinced that's they only way Israel can win along this front.
Israel is fighting for its very existence and losing is not an option. IMHO, Olmert, a nice man, has to go and must be replaced by Bibi or someone with military experience and a fighting spirit.
In countries around the world we have seen a noticeable shift to the right in leadership due to the attack of militant islam. This is happening in Israel and in the U.S. as well. Many Jews on the left are moving to the right because they must to choose between their love of liberalism (and its denial of reality) and their intrinsic love of Israel. The majority will choose Israel as will most Americans. Even the ever dopey John Kerry knows the Hezzies must be defeated.
Anyway, WWIII (or IV) has begun and some battles may be lost in the media, but this war will end with the islamic world in shambles.
When one is fighting for his/her very existence, having a "stomach for it" isn't an issue.
I don't see the Israelis backing down any time soon. They will be under intense diplomatic pressure, but that has always been the case. Until President Bush turns on them, they will stay the course. And it will be a long time before President Bush turns on them. Hopefully long enough for them to complete their task.
Any resolution that leave the Hezballoonians in place is a victory for terror. President Bush realizes this. I have confidence he will not make this happen. Hopefully my confidence is not misplaced.
What would happen in Iraq if we turned Tehran into a smoking ruin? With conventional weapons. Or if we succeeded in a strike taking out Irans political leadership?
Huh? I didn't know we/US were fighting in Lebenon?
I don't believe that is possible, if the Prez is a true born-again Christian.
I can only hope so, DS.
I am sorry, but you are daydreaming if you think the UN will actually do something that has an effect on anything let alone this war. When was the last time the UN did anything that worked? Did they ever actually keep the peace? No. Have their UN forces ever actually engaged anyone in combat and won? (not counting Korea, which was before the communist gained control of the UN.)No. The UN is useless and counting on them for anything is pretty much of a pipe dream.
Everything is relative my son. Compared to the rest of the Demoncrats - Lieberman IS a statesman.
Of course compared to the rest of the Demoncrats - Daffy Duck would sound like a statesman.
We would cause the war to spread, and would further desataberlise those nations deemed pro western probably causing Islamic fundamentalist regime changes in those countries.
Also Tehran is where most of the moderate Iranian citizens live, most of the current regimes power base is from the poorer communities outside the major cities.
re : Or if we succeeded in a strike taking out Iran's political leadership?
Now that is a good idea but only if we know who will take there place.
Iran is weak economically large amounts of her oil revenue is being used to support very militia units such as the revolutionary guard, not only to counter any American invasion, but more importantly to soak up the poor young and unemployed they are given money and status, we need to start hitting Iran harder economically.
Iran is a house of cards with massive unemployment, the present regime is surviving through buying its thug supporters and more harsher measures.
I am all for limited strikes if needed to halt its nuclear program but leave the Iranian civilians out of the war, because with the right handling they can be out ace against the present regime
Huh? I didn't know we/US were fighting in Leb[a]non?
I disagree, start killing lots of Iranians will tie the Iranian population closer to the present government.
All Iran will do is disperse her forces amongst the civilian population, in the end we will be killing more civilians than military
In the end we will be forced to mount a costly land invasion.
With Iran time is on our side, unless she lets the Chinese rescue her then what will the Chinese want in return.
She is ready to implode, she has massive unemployment vasts amounts of her treasury are being used to buy her street thugs.
If we take away her nuclear option we have all the time in the world
I listen to the news the past week and I have concluded that we - the West - continue to attempt to thwart the terrorists by the same old means - UN resolutions, call for cease fires, sending in the U.S. SoS. It is not working. It has never worked. Maybe if we upped the ante - told the Iranians and Syrians what is coming. Send in a couple carrier groups and continually run sorites. After each day, broadcast to the people - overthrow your government and the bombings will cease. I do realize that in order to do the above, the political will must be there. It is not and I do not think it will be for some time to come. I like President Bush but I think he failed early on by not defining the enemy. This administration allowed the media and their enemies to define the WOT. Too many people in this country has blinders on and refuse to name the enemy.
I read recently that Allied bombing and shelling killed approximately 10,000 French civilians during the D-Day invasion operation. AFAIK no one was protesting Ike's decision to invade occupied France on humanitarian grounds, not even the French civilians. They had learned from 4 years of Nazi occupation that there are circumstances that can make living worse than death. I for one would rather die right here and now than to live under an Islamic dictatorship that enforces Sharia law.
Bosnia, Kosovo?
Nice daydream. A UN controlled buffer force? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
The UN is pro Hezbollah. What you would see from a UN controlled security force would be the same as we have seen over the years with UN observers enforcing resolution 1559, who somehow didn't notice iran's militita setting up and stockpiling rocket launchers throughout southern lebanon.
It's plain to see that the UN not only FAILED to implement UN resolution 1559, they purposely looked the other way and allowed Hezbollah to establish and strenghten their presence in Lebanon after the Israeli pull out. During that time, they also cleanzed even more Christians out of Lebanon, on top of the 20,000 they massacured in the 70's, with the aproval of the democrat party under Carter.
I have to agree with you. At first, I really thought there was a chance that Iraq could become the "democratic model" of the middle east. I got excited about the blue finger movement.
Now, it's morphed into Al-Sistani taking sides with Hezbollah. Despite the U.S. liberating their country from Saddam, despite the loss of life American military people have sacrificed, despite everything we are doing to build up their infrastructure, they could never support the U.S. and Israel in an armed conflict with Islamists.
They just will never go against what they have always been taught. Zionists and Americans are Dhimmi - no matter what.
The missiles will be fired into Israel from the UN "security Zone". When Israel responds, they will be killing UN "peace keepers".
Get a grip, either we fight and kill every Islamofacists or we die trying.
More appeasement policies for the terrorist just makes them stronger.
BUMP
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