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Why America and the world need free trade
The Prometheus Institute ^ | 8/2/2006 | M. Harrison

Posted on 08/02/2006 8:41:11 AM PDT by tang0r

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To: Toddsterpatriot
Hoarded what water? Where? I always thought water flowed south.

My "feelings" are that you were taken in by that old song "South of the Border Down Mexico Way". Hopefully, after you looked at the map of the US yesterday you realized that Mexico is both north and south of Brownsville.

Yes, water does run south and Mexico has hoarded the water north of the valley since 1992 devastating many farmers. This was much more than petty cheating that you free traders approve of. This involved years and years of crops withering on the vine.

101 posted on 08/04/2006 7:42:18 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo
Yes, water does run south

That sounds like what I said. Glad you finally came around.

Mexico has hoarded the water north of the valley since 1992 devastating many farmers.

We should do what we can to make them live up to the treaty they signed.

This was much more than petty cheating that you free traders approve of.

I don't approve of cheating.

This involved years and years of crops withering on the vine.

Sorry to hear that. I hope the Mexican government has to give them compensation.

102 posted on 08/04/2006 7:51:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Yes, water does run south.

Good try. LOLOLOLThis is your actual quote:

Hoarded what water? Where? I always thought water flowed south.

103 posted on 08/04/2006 8:05:39 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Medicine Warrior; Mase; Toddsterpatriot; texastoo; hedgetrimmer; 1rudeboy
In order for us to understand what's being said here, how about we make a list of the main reasons in favor of making Americans pay higher import taxes:

1. Import taxes will keep Mexico from stealing our water.

2. Import taxes will keep American jobs from going to Mexico, where they lure the unemployed Mexicans north into the roaring US job market.

3. Import taxes will solve the problem where "a liter of vanilla extract costs $2.50 in Tecate, Mexico and $23.00 in El Cajon, CA".

Are we still together?

104 posted on 08/04/2006 8:16:50 AM PDT by expat_panama (Blessed are the peacemakers...)
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To: texastoo
This is your actual quote:Hoarded what water? Where? I always thought water flowed south.

I live in Chicago, not Texas. I don't know the ins and outs of your water disputes with Mexico. That's why I asked the question. Water does flow south. The only dispute I was aware of was America taking too much Colorado River water.

Thanks for adding a fact to the discussion. It's better than the fact free feelings that the usual protectionist posts.

105 posted on 08/04/2006 8:22:18 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Mase; hedgetrimmer; Smartass; 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot
I'm also waiting for you to explain how American citizens, who are also consumers, would be against the lower prices that free(r) trade delivers.

It has been pointed out time and time again that Mexico of NAFTA is our 2nd highest oil importer to the US. So we must kiss their a$$ and take any kind of cheating they produce.

The authur of this article,"Save Doha Why America and the world need free trade" by M. Harrison, also wrote this article:

Gas Panic!
Matt Harrison

High gas prices are annoying, certainly topping many people's collection of the most frustrating aspects of modern life. In this natural frustration, many people are seduced by populist rhetoric about the need for price controls and other such interventionist nonsense. Before you also fall for this unfortunate trap, do yourself (and your country) a favor by recognizing the true effect and significance of high gas prices.

Point 1: High gas prices will repel us from oil development itself. Such a repulsion will dissolve the ties that now bind America to the affairs of the Middle East

In your daily routine, you might be able to afford driving around with the same frequency when the price of gas is $3, $4, even $5/gal. But for every person, there is a point at which he/she would have to conserve by driving less. Some people would buy a Prius, some would walk places, some would take the bus places, and some would just drive less often. All of this, it is necessary to point out, has the effect of reducing the demand for gasoline.

Which is exactly what we want.

John Kerry thought so, when he frowned effeminately and stodgily derided our "dependence on oil." So did Mr. Bush, during his recent State of the Union headline fodder when he noticed that the nation was "addicted to oil."

Every kid who has taken D.A.R.E. knows that kicking an addition isn't easy. Neither is dealing with high gas prices. But everyone knows that addictions are kicked by wanting less of the product.

Believe it or not, during the Middle Eastern disputes of the 1950s, the Arabs and Israelies sought American mediation. They did so because they appreciated our neutral stance and lack of interests in the region. How things have changed. The 1970s, thanks significantly of the good intentions yet remarkably bad ideas of Jimmy Carter, we forged an uneasy but everlasting alliance between America and various Middle Eastern states. We did so for the benefit of securing the American economy against future oil market shocks. Our ties formed then, for our business interests, now complicate terribly our political interests.

In the case of high gas prices, the market can solve the problem for the politicians. Our resources are removed from the region and so with them the economic complications.

Point 2: High gas prices will encourage development of alternative fuels, making them more affordable (and more appealing) relative to traditional fuel.

Ethanol, the Great Green Hope for alternative energy zealots, isn't catching on because it's too expensive relative to gas. An easy solution? Make gas more expensive.

Despite the search for new oil fields, high prices are already getting oil companies to change course. Peter Robertson, vice chairman of Chevron, said, "[High] price is our friend here, because it has encouraged investment in new hydrocarbons and also the alternatives." The Economist, referring to the price increases, added, "Unless the world sees another open-engineered price collapse as it did in 1985 and 1998, GTL, tar sands, ethanol and other alternatives will be become more economic by the day."

In other words, either prices will fall or alternative fuels will become more appealing.

A great way to slow global warming is to make causing it (i.e. driving a car) cost more. The earth is protected best when pollutants are expensive, not when they are cheap.

It's also worth noting that the new converts to alternative fuel will create a market for more alternative fuel production and supply - which will, in turn, further drive down the prices of alternative fuels. (If you don't understand that, click here) In effect, the advantages of alternative spurred by high gas prices are actually self-perpetuating.

It's normal to dislike high gas prices. But we all must realize we'll never be putting anything else into our cars until we can afford to do so - or we can't afford not to.

Furthermore, despite what the government - or its paternalistic supporters - tells you, it doesn't know which alternative fuel is the best. Only the people do, and they will have to decide with their wallets and vehicles, not with their representatives and senators.

And until we figure out which alternative fuel is going to be the next big thing, it's absolutely futile to throw money at technologies that might be the automotive DIVX, Betamax, MiniDisc, or Waterworld.

Let the market do what it does best - figure out what people actually want to buy. And let high gas prices make those experiments a lot more appealing.

Point 3: High gas prices make the United States safer

My first point was that high gas prices reducing demand for oil (read: Middle Eastern oil) will remove many of our obligations to the region, benefiting the US.

A conservative's objection to this point would be that terrorism is an intractable religious conflict that would always translate into violence, no matter the economic situation.

Perhaps. But even so, a release of the main economic interest in the region would make fighting the war appreciably easier.

The terrorists, in a world disinterested in gasoline, can't castrate the world economy by blowing up a refinery.

Think about it. Which does the American corporate executive fear more, a Muslim boycott of his goods, where a poverty-stricken, backward market declines to buy products they certainly weren't sweeping up anyway, or the destruction of 30% of the world's oil supply?

We want to reduce the risk that the terrorists pose to us. A fine idea would start by robbing them of the ability to freeze our entire economy, achieved through a lack of demand for the expensive petrol with which they hold the power switch to our economy.

High gas prices help to end our politically-crippling dependence on oil, encourage the development of alternative fuels that will improve the environment, and remove a de facto bargaining tool for terrorists around the world.

So next time you curse Allah after you pay to fill up your tank, remember this. You don't really want what Osama wants to give you, do you?

It looks likes this dude, Matt Harrison, is an American citizen, capitalist, free trader who would love to see gasoline prices go UP, UP, and UP.

106 posted on 08/04/2006 8:45:22 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: hedgetrimmer; Czar; nicmarlo; texastoo; Kenny Bunk; EternalVigilance; janetgreen; potlatch; ...
What's the real federal deficit? How many billions (or trillions) of dollars...

Thanks for bringing up the federal budget deficit on this thread concerning import taxes.

They are related.  As we all know, smaller government and lower taxes make us more prosperous and make America stronger, because tax cuts increase tax revenue.   It has to do with the fact that taxing everything is as stupid as taxing nothing --zero revenue.  The only way for the US government to get any money is to tax at rate somewhere in-between.

One way to tell if tax rates are too high is to see what happens if we lower tax rates.   If revenue goes up, then we know the tax rates were too high. 

Import taxes are like all other taxes.  While we've been lowering the import tax rates over the past 60 years, revenue has gone up. (numbers from this PDF file) This means that import taxes have been too high and have been one of the causes of the budget deficit.  We need to reduce the deficit, so we need to lower the rate to increase the revenue.

[for the hearing impaired] If we want to reduce the deficit, we need to cut the import taxes.

107 posted on 08/04/2006 8:53:53 AM PDT by expat_panama (Blessed are the peacemakers...)
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To: texastoo
So we must kiss their a$$ and take any kind of cheating they produce.

Except in 2005, when we won a decision on rice.
Except in 2004, when we won a decision on telecommunications.
Except in 2001, when we won a decision on high-fructose corn syrup.

108 posted on 08/04/2006 9:03:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: texastoo
Every kid who has taken D.A.R.E. knows that kicking an addition isn't easy.

Every protectionist knows that kicking a multiplication and kicking a division isn't easy either.

109 posted on 08/04/2006 9:07:16 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: texastoo
It has been pointed out time and time again that Mexico of NAFTA is our 2nd highest oil importer to the US.

Water flows south and Mexico is the number 2 oil exporter to the US.

110 posted on 08/04/2006 9:08:52 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: 1rudeboy

Surely you are not telling me that the US or US companies had to go to court in 2001 to prevent cheating, 2004 to prevent cheating and 2005 to prevent cheating. Since NAFTA was implemented in 1993, this means Mexico got away with cheating for 9 years, 11 years and 12 years. How many more cheating cases are on the dockets?


111 posted on 08/04/2006 9:28:01 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Toddsterpatriot

While driving through Texas country seeing all the oil wells just sitting in fields, rusting, I often wonder why we are "importing" oil from Mexico. I guess it all depends on where you are from and what you see.


112 posted on 08/04/2006 9:33:41 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo
I often wonder why we are "importing" oil from Mexico.

Now you need another economics lesson? The oil from Mexico must be cheaper. Why don't you buy the rusty oil wells and start pumping good old Texas oil? Good luck!!

113 posted on 08/04/2006 9:35:52 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: texastoo
That's what I love about debating protectionists . . . they think a moving target is more difficult to hit.

Initial salvo:
"So we must kiss their a$$ and take any kind of cheating they produce."

45 minutes later:
"How many more cheating cases are on the dockets?"


114 posted on 08/04/2006 9:36:21 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Your facts are interfering with his (?) feelings.


115 posted on 08/04/2006 9:38:26 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: texastoo
"be careful of he who holds the pencil."

Exactly. In short, a game being played w/mirrors!


 

116 posted on 08/04/2006 9:40:45 AM PDT by Smartass ("In God We Trust" - "An informed and knowledgeably citizen is the best defense against tyranny")
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To: Toddsterpatriot; texastoo
The second admission (question) is prima facie evidence that he didn't know wtf he was talking about in his first.
117 posted on 08/04/2006 9:44:19 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: texastoo
How many more cheating cases are on the dockets?

I honestly don't see how my paying higher import taxes will help with Mexican cheaters. 

Nevertheless, if you're absolutely convinced that the higher fed taxes really are the solution, then you and other like minded tax advocates are more than welcome to pay Gift Contributions as voluntarily taxes.  Don't laugh (not even OL).  This year alone one and a half million dollars have already been donated.

If the Mexicans stop cheating, then we can talk about making the tax hikes apply to everyone.

118 posted on 08/04/2006 9:46:21 AM PDT by expat_panama (Blessed are the peacemakers...)
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To: 1rudeboy
All he knows is that foreigners are bad!!!!

All the rest is unimportant detail.

119 posted on 08/04/2006 9:46:56 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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120 posted on 08/04/2006 9:51:25 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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