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8/4 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/4/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 08/03/2006 9:14:01 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

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To: GonzoGOP
Good evening everyone,

Mind if I hang my sidearms behind the bar and pull up a stool?


I believe that one of the main reasons that they bombed the power plant is to put the tunnels in the dark. Then they have to run them off of generators. That would create more traffic and make them change their plans. Hence making them easier targets.
161 posted on 08/03/2006 11:30:33 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method - Gen Hugh Shelton)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Good morning to all. When do you get any sleep? Thanks so much for this thread, it's so informative. I keep it open all day. Bless you and bless the troops!


162 posted on 08/03/2006 11:32:23 PM PDT by lula (Starving the disabled is OK, go to jail if you do the same to an animal...go figure)
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To: casino66
Where do you think you next assignment will be next year? Retiring? Going back to Wash DC?

Going home to Houston and working in the private sector! :-) (After a couple of months off, of course.)

163 posted on 08/03/2006 11:33:01 PM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from "the other war zone.")
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To: Allegra

Good morning!

I guess things are quiet before the prayers. Hopefully MSM will be surpriesd/dissapointed by a calm end to the day as well.

Stay safe!


164 posted on 08/03/2006 11:37:13 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

IDF kills five Hizbullah men, resumes Beirut attacks
By YAAKOV KATZ, JPOST STAFF AND AP

Heavy fighting was taking place on Friday morning between IDF ground troops and Hizbullah guerrillas in the town of Makarbe in the eastern sector of southern Lebanon, west of Kiryat Shmona.

Hizbullah fighters threw explosive devices at the troops, wounding one soldier moderately and another lightly. The two were taken for medical treatment in a hospital.

Shortly afterward, IDF forces killed four Hizbullah operatives in the village of Shama and launched a chase after the remaining fighters. Another Hizbullah guerrilla was killed in the town of Manhelle.

The IAF targeted the "Ibrahim Abed Al" power plant in the eastern sector. The strike caused power outages in the area.


165 posted on 08/03/2006 11:39:54 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

From Haarretz:

ast update - 06:41 04/08/2006

4 soldiers killed in south Lebanon; Peretz to IDF: Plan to take territory up to Litani

By Ze'ev Schiff, Amos Harel and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

Defense Minister Amir Peretz told Israel Defense Forces officials on Thursday evening to begin preparing for the next stage of the military offensive in south Lebanon, which would extend the IDF's control to all Lebanese territory south of the Litani River.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, however, is said to be reluctant about expanding Israel's ground operation. While Peretz believes that the short-range rocket threat posed by Hezbollah can be neutralized by taking the area up to the Litani, Olmert feels that such a move would not be able to counter the longer-range missile threat posed by the Shi'ite organization.

The directive issued by Peretz was made in the wake of Hezbollah rocket attacks that killed eight people in northern Israel earlier Thursday, officials said.


The move, which would include occupying the port city of Tyre, still requires the approval of the security cabinet, and could mean a further call-up of reservist soldiers.

Such an operation would extend Israel's control past the security zone it held until the withdrawal of its troops in May 2000. For now, the cabinet has approved the creation of a buffer zone some eight kilometers inside Lebanon which Olmert wants the military to control until an international peacekeeping force can be deployed in the area.


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166 posted on 08/03/2006 11:45:26 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I really thank you for all of your great posts, I learn so much.

Rant: what the heck does Olmert and Perez know about anything military? If they had listened to their generals in the beginning, they would have been so far ahead.

Rant Off. Thank you for listening! :-)


167 posted on 08/03/2006 11:49:22 PM PDT by nuclady
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To: Allegra

Morning. Hope you are feeling better. I've been away from the live thread a lot lately. Too many distractions. Now I don't recognize any of the town names being targeted on either side.

I hope your day isn't *too interesting* today! Sometime I want to talk Iraqi food with ya when you're not dodging bombs.


168 posted on 08/03/2006 11:57:15 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: ScaniaBoy
Defense Minister Amir Peretz told Israel Defense Forces officials on Thursday evening to begin preparing for the next stage of the military offensive in south Lebanon, which would extend the IDF's control to all Lebanese territory south of the Litani River.

I think this is a good move.

One of the problems with the UN and EU doves is that they are focusing on creating a buffer zone to quell short range rockets a (they kill, but are primarily a terror weapon), this is only a band-aid to the problem. They need to eliminate the root cause to have any lastful peace.

That's my armchair general analysis, thanks for playing.
169 posted on 08/03/2006 11:58:00 PM PDT by Pro-Bush ("A nation without borders is not a nation." President Reagan)
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To: tcrlaf
* 11:13 Israeli airplanes circle over Beqaa at low altitude

This is interesting. I wonder if it is BDA or looking for targets of opportunity. Possibly the fixed targets they wanted to hit are gone and they are now looking for more mobile targets.

170 posted on 08/03/2006 11:58:17 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: grapeape

Right. The idea is to get inside their decision cycle. Make them react to you and keep them reacting rather than planning.


171 posted on 08/03/2006 11:59:48 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: lula

I've been short sleeped all week, and am fast turning into a pumpkin right now...


172 posted on 08/04/2006 12:01:25 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ScaniaBoy
The move, which would include occupying the port city of Tyre

Not necessary. Throw up a cordon. Let them eat what they can scrounge for a while. When they hand over a rocket launcher or some Hezbian heads, they get some grub.

173 posted on 08/04/2006 12:02:21 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: ScaniaBoy
LA TIMES: Death Toll in Qana Bombing Was Inflated
174 posted on 08/04/2006 12:04:51 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Straight Vermonter; grapeape

Hez may not have enough generators to run all their lights, battery rechargers, comm equipment, and whatever electronic survillance equipment they got from Iran, so IDF may have just reduced their C&C capabilities here significantly. Hez may not be able to communicate within their ranks quite as well at this point. Divide and isolate the Hez units and then defeat them.


175 posted on 08/04/2006 12:05:56 AM PDT by defenderSD (A skilled debater feared by liberals, socialists, and leftist politicos throughout the world.)
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To: defenderSD

Correct. I imagine their fuel dumps have been having some issues recently as well.


176 posted on 08/04/2006 12:09:35 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: nuclady

mark - g'night.


177 posted on 08/04/2006 12:10:17 AM PDT by nuclady
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To: defenderSD
As soon as they loose their C and C, then people have to start moving around to communicate. They will quickly discover that it is a bad idea.

Then they will freeze in place. Then they can fight it out in small units or surrender. They will probably surrender because they suck.
178 posted on 08/04/2006 12:12:45 AM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method - Gen Hugh Shelton)
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To: All
I've been using acronyms without defining them first:
C&C = command and control.
179 posted on 08/04/2006 12:16:29 AM PDT by defenderSD (A skilled debater feared by liberals, socialists, and leftist politicos throughout the world.)
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To: defenderSD; jeffers

A group of Hezbollah soldiers are walking through S. Lebanon, and they hear a voice of an Israeli soldier. It says "One IDF soldier is better than 10 Hezbollah ones!".

Angered by this comment, the Hezbollahs shoot where they heard the voice. They stop shooting only to hear the voice of the same Israeli, this time yelling "One IDF soldier is better than 100 Hezbolla soldiers!".

The Hezbollah, outraged, gather 100 of their best soldiers and shoot where they last heard the voice.

They cease fire, and once again they hear the same voice.

This time it says "One IDF soldier is better than 1,000 Hezbollah soldiers!". The soldiers had had enough, and called in 1,000 soldiers and Pali irregulars, and a huge battle broke out.

In the middle of the firefight, a wounded Hezbollah soldier crawls to Nasrallah and cries out "No! Don't send in any more troops, it's a trap! There are TWO of them!".


180 posted on 08/04/2006 12:24:32 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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