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To: BlackElk

While it is easy to sympathize with the New Englanders' reaction to Jefferson's utter incompetence and cowardice in facing the British and the French, Hamilton would have never supported secession. The disaster unleashed by Jefferson's ill-conceived embargo and drastic weakening of US military power crushed the economy of the nation.

What kind of fool believes that we should not have a strong navy? That our commerce should be carried by foreigners not by American shipping? That our naval power should be confined to gunboats along our coast? That there is no constitutional authority to purchase Louisiana? This is major league stupidity. Sounds exactly like modern day Democrats with their heads in the sand.

Jackson was a great military leader and totally devoted to the Union (he threatened to HANG the "nullifiers" in SC) and a complete patriot. Jefferson would have been the one "sniffing" at Jackson not me. Jackson believed in confronting his enemies head on not sneaking around the edges and shadows or retreating trying to avoid conflict like Jefferson.


72 posted on 08/07/2006 9:16:19 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That is "sniffling" and not "sniffing."

New Englanders proposing the Hartford Convention were the typical pro-British wealthy business interests uber alles types who were just angry that their profits were being restrained by the War of 1812. The Convention was slated for 1815, three years after Madison became president.

I come from Connecticut originally (54 years worth) and I certainly reject the notion that it is easy to sympathize with the New England moneychangerwimps of the Hartford Convention era who wanted to sell out their country to restore their profits.

Last time I checked, Jefferson was the president who actually purchased the Louisiana Territory (most of our country after the purchase) for $3 million in gold paid to Napoleon.

I had not noticed that Jefferson lost the naval war with the Barbary Pirates. In fact, his victory is part of the Marine Corps anthem. We wind up fighting the Arabs every century or so: Jefferson's War, the Perdicaris Affair of 1904 and the present necessary and preliminary unpleasantness.

Jackson also confronted the Spanish over Florida while John Quincy Adams, as the (New England Federalist lookalike Secretary of State) wanted to engage in endless diployakketyyak instead of taking Florida to stop cross-border criminality of Florida-based brigands whom Spain could not or would not control.

Jackson was a Jeffersonian and not a Whig. The Whigs did not long survive his wildly popular presidency and his crushing of another Whig institution: Biddle's Bank of the United States.

Certain traits run in families. Nicholas Biddle's distant descendant, female cathouse operator Sidney Biddle Barrows was the infamous "Mayflower Madame." I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that she is a Clinton Demonrat, and, like Old Nick, more Hamiltonian than Jeffersonian by far.

84 posted on 08/07/2006 10:36:08 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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