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MTV, still clueless after all these years
The New York Daily News ^ | August 7, 2006 | Stanley Crouch

Posted on 08/07/2006 9:45:48 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

Last week, MTV celebrated its 25th anniversary, marking a quarter of a century after having conceived of the first actually new thing in popular television entertainment since "American Bandstand" and "Soul Train."

The music video became a big deal through MTV and not only updated the old "soundies" once shown in movie theaters to feature singers and instrumentalists. It also revolutionized the making of films by acclimating its audience to the extremely fast crosscutting that had been pioneered in television commercials, where the faster the message arrived, the better. In the process, the MTV audience learned to see much more quickly and recognize what sometimes quite surreal montages were saying or what they were alluding to - no small accomplishment.

Of course, that is not the whole story of MTV, which also came to project the most dehumanizing images of black people since the dawn of minstrelsy in the 19th century. Pimps, whores, potheads, dope dealers, gangbangers, the crudest materialism and anarchic gang violence were broadcast around the world as "real" black culture.

At first, far too many black people were taken in by the cult of celebrity and the wealth that came to these gold- toothed knuckleheads and mindless hussies to realize what was happening. The lowest possible common denominator was seen as the norm. The illiteracy and rule-of-thumb stupidity was interpreted as a "cultural" rejection of white middle-class norms.

It was as if these dregs had the same heroic position in our time as the largely uneducated Southern black poor of the civil rights movement. Those Southern black people, like the marvelous Fannie Lou Hamer, proved to this nation and to the world that they not only deserved their constitutional rights, but had something both noble and soulful to add to our American understanding of the richness of the human spirit. We are a much greater nation because of the success of the civil rights movement. As they emerged from beneath the bloody rock of segregation, those Southern black people brought to our national identity a compassion and a bravery of immeasurable value.

Unfortunately, the crabbed thug culture that was popularized through MTV brought nothing big with it other than some paychecks.

Twenty-five years later, Christina Norman is the president of the network - and a black woman with a new problem on her hands. Part of that problem is Lisa Fager, a black woman who is president and co-founder of Industry Ears (industryears.com). Fager is disturbed by an MTV "satire" called "Where My Dogs At?" which has a cartoon figure strongly resembling Snoop Dogg who enters a pet store with two black women walking on all fours with leashes around their necks. At the end of the "parody," they defecate on the floor.

Fager's problem is that the spot was shown at 12:30 p.m. on a Saturday afternoon and will, no doubt, perpetuate among younger viewers the misogynist and dehumanizing images we have become accustomed to in too many rap videos.

That's the way big money goes. We can be sure that Christina Norman will have a simplemindedly liberal justification for the material, but I doubt that Lisa Fager will want to hear it. Nor will the millions of black women who oppose this kind of material and are beginning to rise into the sorts of positions that will make them an influential special-interest group. I don't know how long it will take, but change is on the way.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: culturewars; degradation; hollywoodisdead; knuckleheads; liberalmedia; mtv; popculture; thuglife
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To: Hildy
I worked at MTV from 1987-1988 and I can testify that even then it was he most racist and sexist environment I'd ever worked in. (THe only job I can honestly say I was sexually harrassed in the old-fashioned way).

Yes, but standing against sexual harrassment didn't become in vogue until the whole Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill saga, which I believe was after your work there. Of course, "ministering" to underlings in the workplace became fashionable again in the mid-90's, or so I'm told...

42 posted on 08/07/2006 11:22:45 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: .cnI redruM

A couple of years ago, an uncle of mine gave me 50 VHS tapes of MTV music videos from 1982-1987. Pure GOLD, and better than anything that's currently on that network.


43 posted on 08/07/2006 11:31:09 AM PDT by richmwill
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To: .cnI redruM

I'm proud to say that on the 20th ann'y of MTV, I was able to say I have never seen MTV, save once while at someone else's house.

I feel just as good about saying it on their 25th ann'y, too. Bleecch.


44 posted on 08/07/2006 11:39:42 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: .cnI redruM
Let's see:

  1. Liberal mouthpiece.
  2. Lack of music talent
  3. Lack of music videos on a music video station
  4. Manufactured "pop" music
  5. Manufactured "rap" music
  6. Cancelling Headbangers Ball
Absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to watch MTV. A lot of the "mainstream" and "Top 40's" music these days just sucks. It doesn't offend me, it just isn't very good. It all comes across as mass marketed crap.

I get my music from indy bands now and I'm a lot happier for it.

45 posted on 08/07/2006 11:48:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: .cnI redruM

Spot on. Thanks to MTV culture, most white kids have the impression that blacks go around wearing heavy gold chains, loose fitting clothing, untied sneakers and speaking like they live in the jailhouse. All that yapping about yo's, ho's and bitches and all this glorification of violence and living in ghettos. It amazes me that the black community tolerates this.


46 posted on 08/07/2006 11:50:41 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am a big fan of urban sprawl but I wish there were more sidewalks)
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To: Lou L

As someone who was sexually harrassed...I can tell you for a fact that I couldn't stand being in the same room with the guy, let alone following him around the Country as Anita Hill did. Any woman who has been legitimately harrassed knows this for a fact.


47 posted on 08/07/2006 12:25:52 PM PDT by Hildy (To save us both time, assume I know everything...)
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To: Hildy
I can tell you for a fact that I couldn't stand being in the same room with the guy, let alone following him around the Country as Anita Hill did.

At the risk of wasting time, should I assume you know all the circumstances behind the allegations that Anita Hill made? Was she in fact, legitimately harrassed; i.e., she had nothing to do with their interactions?

48 posted on 08/07/2006 12:33:44 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: .cnI redruM

My cats love it when I leave a paper bag on the floor...


49 posted on 08/07/2006 12:34:52 PM PDT by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

"I quit watching MTV when they quit showing music (around 1986)."

Same here. I have it blocked now. VH1-Classic aired the first day of MTV's broadcast over the weekend. That was pretty cool. Brought back memories.


50 posted on 08/07/2006 12:45:09 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: frogjerk
You mean like when Tabitha Soren ambushed President George H.W. Bush with stupid questions about Iran-Contra?

Bingo! I was thinking of that very "interview" when I posted.

IIRC, that was *also* the segment where Tabs poo-poohed President Bush's concerns that Motor Voter might lead to voting fraud....

51 posted on 08/07/2006 1:01:59 PM PDT by DemforBush
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I used to love watching "120 Minutes". And Martha Quinn. Once those were gone, so was I.


52 posted on 08/07/2006 1:07:34 PM PDT by vollmond (Careful with that axe, Eugene!)
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To: .cnI redruM
What type of inhumane person would put a cat inside of a bag to begin with?

That's how you teach them to swim.
(j/k!)

53 posted on 08/07/2006 1:26:54 PM PDT by Ignatz (Wherever you go on the Information Superhighway, there's still no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: Hildy

Manhattan was my legal residence then.

Was MTV still on West 57th street? In the early 80s, I used to see Goodman and Blackwood and JJ out in the street in front hailing cabs and Goodman frequented the China Club uptown on Broadway same as me....85 or so.

Can you elaborate how the place was sexist and particularly racist?

Just curious.


54 posted on 08/07/2006 4:15:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (I have undergone Harpie detox, it was very tough but well worth it)
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To: Trampled by Lambs

Give credit where credit is due. While MTV turned musicians into models, MIDI turned music into programs (IMHO of course)!


55 posted on 08/07/2006 4:42:53 PM PDT by printhead
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To: .cnI redruM
I only really remember seeing two videos on MTV "Black Hole Sun" by Soundgarden and "Weapon of Choice" by Fatboy Slim. Despite people saying otherwise about the videos from the 80's being the best, WOC is the best video ever and it came out in the last 3 or 4 years I think. See for yourself.

There is no doubt
56 posted on 08/07/2006 4:56:01 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: SamAdams76
Spot on. Thanks to MTV culture, most white kids have the impression that blacks go around wearing heavy gold chains, loose fitting clothing, untied sneakers and speaking like they live in the jailhouse. All that yapping about yo's, ho's and bitches and all this glorification of violence and living in ghettos. It amazes me that the black community tolerates this.

I think that thanks to MTV and BET black youth think this is how they should go around acting and talking. I don't see it just on TV I see it everyday of college.
57 posted on 08/07/2006 4:58:17 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: wardaddy

I worked on the show REMOTE CONTROL. We filmed it at a studio on 9th Ave. I believe those VJ's were gone by that time.

The problem with MTV was that it was run by 20 somethings. They were given million dollar budgets and did, what 20 year olds do. The programming was childish and sexist. I was sexually harrassed by a guy named Joe Davola. He was the Producer of Remote Conrol, and I believe it was the first show he ever produced. I won't go into what he did to me (nothing physical), but lots psychological. I finally confronted him as I had advised others to do. He did back down, but I wasn't asked back for the second season, although the rest of my team was. THAT'S SEXUAL HARRASSMENT.

If you find the name JOE DAVOLA familiar sounding, it's because there was a running joke in the Seinfeld show about CRAZY JOE DAVOLA stalking Jerry. I guess others found him creepy as well!


58 posted on 08/07/2006 4:59:19 PM PDT by Hildy (To save us both time, assume I know everything...)
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To: Hildy

interesting.....you probably knew Kari and Colin

there was another dark haired girl even before Kari I think(?)

anyhow....yep....the Golden Years were the first 3 or 4....it was fun then....very by the seat of the pants appearing.

that is one pop culture thing I was dead wrong about....I remember when Blondie and Talking Heads were markketing videos made to songs that you could buy in the late 70s and I thought "no way"

man...was I wrong eh?


59 posted on 08/07/2006 5:05:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (I have undergone Harpie detox, it was very tough but well worth it)
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To: wardaddy

Yes, you were wrong. Yes, I knew Colin Quinn...not well..I wrote questions... I was in on the audition process and helped choose Ken Ober (WHAT THE HELL EVER HAPPENED TO HIM?). Interestingly enough, someone else was being considered for the job...his name??? BEN STILLER! I remember his audition and Ken's was better. I'm not a Stiller fan to this day.


60 posted on 08/07/2006 5:08:38 PM PDT by Hildy (To save us both time, assume I know everything...)
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