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Is the TV Off? No, Itís Really on Standby, Using Current
New York Times ^ | August 7, 2006 | SEWELL CHAN

Posted on 08/07/2006 3:40:33 PM PDT by neverdem

Throughout the record-breaking heat wave last week, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg used his pulpit to underscore the urgency of saving electricity. He repeated his advice like a mantra, urging New Yorkers to set their thermostats at 78 degrees, to keep air-conditioners on only when at home and to avoid using household appliances like washers, dryers and dishwashers during peak periods.

“If we want to keep the power going, we’re all just going to have to conserve,” Mr. Bloomberg said on Wednesday. “I’ve done it in my house. Please — I cannot stress it enough — do it in yours.”

That same afternoon, Consolidated Edison, which supplies power to New York City and most of Westchester County, recorded an all-time record use of 13,141 megawatts.

Hundreds of organizations, from Nasdaq to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, took steps to reduce consumption. The number of residents who cooperated is harder to measure.

Peter A. Bradford, a former chairman of the state’s Public Service Commission, said that appeals like Mr. Bloomberg’s, while laudable, do not result in durable reductions in consumption.

“Advocating efficiency in the long term is not the same thing as the appeal on the day of the crisis to turn down thermostats,” he said. “One requires long-term planning, budgeting and capital investment — efficiency in buildings being perhaps the clearest example. The day-of-crisis stuff is equivalent to what the coach can do once the team is on the field and falling behind. At that point your options are far more limited.”

One obvious reason for the strain on the network is that the number of energy-devouring devices continues to grow. In 1980, 14 percent of households had a microwave oven. By 1987, 66 percent did, and by 2001, the last year for which federal statistics were available, 96 percent had...

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1 posted on 08/07/2006 3:40:34 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Breaking news?


2 posted on 08/07/2006 3:42:50 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: neverdem

And an America filled with Electric Cars would help "HOW"???


3 posted on 08/07/2006 3:42:57 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: neverdem

And all of you running your pot farms in your basement really need to stop cuz that takes a ton of energy and puts a burdon on the grid


4 posted on 08/07/2006 3:48:59 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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To: weegee

Haven't you heard? Ethanol is the new rage nowadays. Just pour some canned corn in your tank and you will save the planet. ;-)


5 posted on 08/07/2006 3:49:19 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: neverdem
My place has 5 desktop computers, a laptop, DSL modem and wired/wireless router, laser printer, 4 scanners, and three kids who need fresh laundry ALL THE FREAKING TIME!

/end rant
6 posted on 08/07/2006 3:49:35 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Yeah but when the power goes out, who cares?


7 posted on 08/07/2006 3:50:46 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
puts a burdon on the grid

An Eric Burdon?

8 posted on 08/07/2006 3:52:36 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: JennysCool

You posting Animal, you!


9 posted on 08/07/2006 3:55:34 PM PDT by Toby06 (True conservatives vote based on their values, not for parties.)
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To: neverdem

Screw conservation. Build more nukes.
Demand is just going to get worse.
Meet the needs. This is the USA.
We are damned now because of letting envorinmentalist dictate energy policy and terrify our politicians into not doing what was necessary 10-20 years ago.


10 posted on 08/07/2006 3:56:25 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: JennysCool
Yep, him too...Burdon puts a "burden" on the grid as he obviously looks like a guy who likes his weed.
11 posted on 08/07/2006 3:57:02 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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To: neverdem
I've never understood that bit about microwave ovens.

I would think that more microwaves would be a good thing.

Power usage for a microwave to make most anything should be waaay lower than using an electric stove.

That's not even addressing the additional energy require to try and cool a home after using the stove.
12 posted on 08/07/2006 3:57:18 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Names Ash Housewares

The new jimma carter


13 posted on 08/07/2006 3:57:40 PM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: neverdem
1 million and 1 // 1 million to 1.
Those odds would look good if those were the odds being offered. Truth is never stranger than fiction, and 1 million to 1 is about as good as it gets, but remember those aren't the odds being offered, and I must remember my ed equate (sp).
14 posted on 08/07/2006 3:57:44 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Israel - protecting a piece of a civilized world from rocket firing maroons 'un'peace treaties sale)
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To: neverdem

New York: A big black hole sucking in taxpayers' money. I'd like to see it go a day without the confiscated funds of Americans who worked to make the money.


15 posted on 08/07/2006 3:58:42 PM PDT by samm1148
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To: neverdem
"And don't forget to unplug them curling irons, boys!"


16 posted on 08/07/2006 3:59:46 PM PDT by jdm (One week and still no Petronski)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Screw conservation. Build more nukes.

Ditto.

17 posted on 08/07/2006 4:00:44 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: neverdem
A microwave oven eats 1200 watts for the 60 seconds I'm heating something. Compare the main oven with 3,000 watt elements that runs for hours when cooking a turkey. The microwave oven makes much more sense. Both the regular oven and the microwave oven have a clock that runs 24x7 and there is no switch to turn that off.

I can't believe the TV was left off the lists of "gadgets". A TV sucks lots of power and puts out lots of heat. The "Better Homes and Gadgets" lists a VCR and no TV? How do you watch the output of the VCR?

18 posted on 08/07/2006 4:05:37 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: neverdem
Is the TV Off? No, It’s Really on Standby, Using Current

Intentional by design - government-dictated, even. If it were really off, it wouldn't keep projecting the mind-control rays.

19 posted on 08/07/2006 4:06:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: neverdem
What's up with the NA on the cordless phones in 1987? Cordless phones were all the rage in the mid 80s. They probably began really taking off around 1982. Most were crap in those days (except for the AT&T brand) but people were buying them like crazy back then.
20 posted on 08/07/2006 4:08:23 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: neverdem
"urging New Yorkers to set their thermostats at 78 degrees"

What kind of sick bastard lives at 78 degrees. Im lucky if it gets above 70 at my house, and thats in the summer.
21 posted on 08/07/2006 4:08:34 PM PDT by xpertskir (Shave the Whales)
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To: weegee

Just imagine fifty million large battery packs being discarded annually as well as many more coal-power plants chugging and then think of the electric car....


22 posted on 08/07/2006 4:10:12 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: Normal4me

Of course ethanol is heavily subsidized by taxes and is in no way a good alterantive fuel.


23 posted on 08/07/2006 4:10:52 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: ShadowDancer

badda-bing...


24 posted on 08/07/2006 4:11:56 PM PDT by dakine
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Screw conservation. Build more nukes. Demand is just going to get worse. Meet the needs. This is the USA. We are damned now because of letting envorinmentalist dictate energy policy and terrify our politicians into not doing what was necessary 10-20 years ago.

Yep.

And just to piss 'em off, I keep my thermo at 74, sometimes 72.

Of course, I get pissed off when I get the power bill. But I'm cool about it.

And I'll keep driving my 17 mpg full size SUV.

The only thing I will do different is get a bumper sticker that says....

"This one is my baby, my other SUV is an M1A1."

25 posted on 08/07/2006 4:12:07 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: xpertskir
What kind of sick bastard lives at 78 degrees.

Me, in the wintertime when the government is telling me to turn down my heater.

26 posted on 08/07/2006 4:13:08 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: dakine

Yeah, well, not that I would know.


27 posted on 08/07/2006 4:15:49 PM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: xpertskir
"What kind of sick bastard lives at 78 degrees. Im lucky if it gets above 70 at my house, and thats in the summer."

Hmmm, if you really don't like the cold move out to the southwest, someplace like here (New Mexico) or Arizona.
28 posted on 08/07/2006 4:19:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Build more nukes

Remember, more people died at Chappaquiddick than at Three Mile Island.

29 posted on 08/07/2006 4:19:35 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: neverdem

Shoot... with this title, I thought this was about the Al Gore channel... Current.. . You know, the channel no one watches. So even if he announced to his viewers- TURN THIS OFF, there would be no one there to listen...


30 posted on 08/07/2006 4:22:44 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!- Got it! PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS LOST IN THE USA!)
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To: El Sordo
You are correct, and the author of the article is either clueless or intentionally misrepresenting the truth (the article appeared in the New York Times, after all).

The increased percentage of users who have microwave ovens in their homes does not necessarily represent a net increase in home energy consumption. To the extent that microwaving displaces cooking on conventional electric stoves and/or ovens, it almost certainly represents a substantial decrease in consumption, as the microwaves typically require less power while operating, and generally also require much less operating time per meal cooked than a conventional electric range or oven.

31 posted on 08/07/2006 4:24:30 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: OneWingedShark

Hey I live in Pittsburgh, I suppose I am in the right place. Heat doesnt bother me, humid heat does. I used to live in Colorado(eastern slope) and the weather there suited me just fine.


32 posted on 08/07/2006 4:29:24 PM PDT by xpertskir (Shave the Whales)
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To: Myrddin

The amount of energy used by the clocks is very small - a couple of watts at best. This is the type of article that gets people who can't think rationally all heated up.


33 posted on 08/07/2006 4:30:45 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: neverdem

I think I remember hearing this called the "Dracula effect" or something similar. It's all the electricity being used by 24/7 plugged-in digital clocks, electric toothbrushes, cells/PDAs being charged, TVs, anything with a lighted display, etc.. Small stuff at one level, but is a large drain cumulatively.


34 posted on 08/07/2006 4:34:46 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Old Student
Four scanners? What are you doing, digitizing the local library?
35 posted on 08/07/2006 4:36:54 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: John Jorsett

Obviously he's thinking fourth dimensionally...


36 posted on 08/07/2006 4:40:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: neverdem
Is the TV Off? No, It’s Really on Standby, Using Current

So, if we really pull the plug on the tv, vcr, dvd player, microwave, computers, etc. then we have to set the clocks and channels all over each time. Oh, yes, people are going to do that.

37 posted on 08/07/2006 4:43:11 PM PDT by Ruth A. (we might as well fight in the first ditch as the last)
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To: neverdem

Our power company charges different rates for each thousand kilowatts. Use a thousand and your rate's cheap - bump up to another thousand and you pay more. It's easier than guilt tripping people.


38 posted on 08/07/2006 4:49:52 PM PDT by GOPJ (Al Gore - the original "Millions Could Die" kind of guy....)
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To: MayflowerMadam

It's lost as heat in the winding of the "wall wart" & internal transformers on gadgets that are plugged in...


39 posted on 08/07/2006 4:57:08 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: neverdem

Did you know that EVIL CORPORATIONS owned and controlled by people who never worked, but INHERITED their wealth, MAKE PROFITS from ADVERTISING these awful gadgets?


40 posted on 08/07/2006 5:17:06 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: neverdem

Executive Order
Energy Efficient Standby Power Devices

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Energy Conservation Policy Act (Public Law 95-619, 92 Stat. 3206, 42 U.S.C. 8252 et seq.), as amended by the Energy Policy Act of 1992 (EPACT) (Public Law 102-486, 106 Stat. 2776), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and in order to further encourage energy conservation by the Federal Government, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Energy Efficient Standby Power Devices. Each agency, when it purchases commercially available, off-the-shelf products that use external standby power devices, or that contain an internal standby power function, shall purchase products that use no more than one watt in their standby power consuming mode. If such products are not available, agencies shall purchase products with the lowest standby power wattage while in their standby power consuming mode. Agencies shall adhere to these requirements, when life-cycle cost-effective and practicable and where the relevant product's utility and performance are not compromised as a result. By December 31, 2001, and on an annual basis thereafter, the Department of Energy, in consultation with the Department of Defense and the General Services Administration, shall compile a preliminary list of products to be subject to these requirements. The Department of Energy shall finalize the list and may remove products deemed inappropriate for listing.

Sec. 2. Independent Agencies. Independent agencies are encouraged to comply with the provisions of this order.

Sec. 3. Definition. "Agency" means an executive agency as defined in 5 U.S.C. 105. For the purpose of this order, military departments, as defined in 5 U.S.C. 102, are covered by the Department of Defense.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

July 31, 2001.


41 posted on 08/07/2006 5:18:35 PM PDT by idkfa
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To: neverdem
LOL!
I try to tell people I know, that although I am certainly not an energy "expert", certain appliances draw more power than others.
Although I have a bit of an advantage, since I have been tasked for over a decade in calculating the minimum amount of electricity required to safely display the desired equipment at trade shows (talk about high electric bills!).
Easy test for people who actually know where their meter is spinning:
Turn everything with an "off" button Off.
Go to the meter and watch it spin slowly....that's still money.
That's just your refrigerator and idle draws of clocks and timers that are always on, since they are plugged into the "circuit".
Start turning on appliances one at a time, lighting, water heater, air conditioner etc, and watch the dial spin ever faster.
Now this is where we get to the fun part...turn on the fun stuff!
Fire up that computer system and leave it running 24/7!
The monitor still draws the same amount of current whether or not you have the "screen saver" set to blank.
The noise your PC makes when processing data does not draw any more current than when it sits at idle.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people never power off their "toys", when they are finished playing with them.
That $5.99 surge protector/power strip, just blows itself up, if it gets a sudden overload of undemanded electrical supply, before it blows up your more expensive appliances.
Would you leave your car running on idle 24/7 and think yourself prudently "saving start-up energy consumption"?
Myself, I frivolously leave my hot water heater "on" all day, 24/7, as I enjoy having "hot" water on demand, without waiting, and am willing to pay extra for that particular luxury.
42 posted on 08/07/2006 5:25:26 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: sarasmom

so..........

either kill certain circuits or pull all cords and surge surpressors out of the wall when not in use...????


43 posted on 08/07/2006 8:35:30 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: sarasmom; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; The Spirit Of Allegiance; ...


44 posted on 08/07/2006 8:36:06 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: weegee
"And an America filled with Electric Cars would help "HOW"???"

Come on now, that's a no brainer.   Cars with
two hundred mile extension cords...all tangled up!

 

45 posted on 08/07/2006 8:45:06 PM PDT by Smartass ("In God We Trust" - "An informed and knowledgeably citizen is the best defense against tyranny")
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To: John Jorsett
"Four scanners? What are you doing, digitizing the local library?"

No, we just sort of added one here, and one there... Started with a Lexmark X75 Printrio since the printer in it was compatible with the z22 or whatever it was I had then, then added another one when they dropped to $60 each as it was cheaper than buying new cartridges, and gave us a fully compatible backup. Then we got my wife's Dell, with a Dell 922 printer a package deal. Just the other day, I finally broke down and got one that will let me scan slides and 35mm negatives, since I have tons of them. (I used to be a professional photographer, and my slide projector died, and I can't afford to replace it with equally good pro equipment, and I can't get it repaired as it is SO old and obsolete.) We also homeschool, and all the kids have their own computers; one of the X75's is now set up so they can connect it to any of their machines. All do Photoshop (much better than Adnan Hajj, too!) and wordprocessing, Paintshop, Paint, etc. Thank heaven for Academic-license software.

Oh, heck. I forgot to mention the thrift-shop iMac, too... and the hulk and spare monitor laying around. I hope one day to buy 20" LCD's for everyone... (and my dream personal computer is a Cray X.) I'm working on a master's in special education, and expect the kids to be ready for college starting in about four years.
46 posted on 08/07/2006 8:58:18 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: neverdem

Conservation is not an energy policy.


47 posted on 08/07/2006 9:00:26 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Conservation is not an energy policy.

Conservation should be a part of any energy policy, especially when increasing any part of the energy infrastructure is almost impossible.

48 posted on 08/07/2006 9:56:26 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

That's why we need to replace it. But we can't conserve the problem away.


49 posted on 08/07/2006 10:07:13 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 08/07/2006 10:21:22 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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