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AOL's disturbing glimpse into users' lives
Cnet ^ | 08/07/2006 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 08/08/2006 7:10:37 AM PDT by Panerai

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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Maybe you should! At the US House level!

I'm not all that diplomatic. I'd probably end up saying something very unPc and end up getting crucified by the American Communist Liberal Union.
41 posted on 08/08/2006 11:58:18 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: invoman
The article is wrong. AOL search gives Google results.

But it's AOL that skimmed the data and gave it away. Google is probably none to happy with AOL for being used that way, especially after Google's defense of privacy you mentioned.

42 posted on 08/08/2006 12:12:05 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Tall_Texan
Try to infer what somebody's up to by what's in their shopping cart:

Green beans
Canned tomatoes
Tampax
100-watt light bulbs
A pack of AA batteries
A plumber's helper
Motrin IB

Kinky. ;^)

43 posted on 08/08/2006 12:13:49 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I'm not so sure Google is mad.

It's really AOL's data, not Google's per se. Yeah, Google got the same data, but the data was given to Google by AOL.

It's like me setting up a search box on my site and tracking keywords (via a redirected url) and referrer data . Not hard to do at all.


44 posted on 08/08/2006 2:21:55 PM PDT by invoman
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To: invoman
It's like me setting up a search box on my site and tracking keywords

I know, but still Google, who refused to bow to the pressure of the federal government to release information like this, ended up being involved in such a release anyway. Google has a big partnership with AOL, including a lot of advertising, and I don't think they believe they can entirely trust their partner anymore.

45 posted on 08/08/2006 2:29:40 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Actually, I wasn't aware that oil filters were a performance accessory for any vehicle, at least in terms of going faster.


46 posted on 08/08/2006 4:29:34 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Don't mess with Israel.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I'm not quite sure (based on my initial understanding of the data released) that Google has anything to worry about.

I'm still trying to see whether or not this info is useful to me. Right now, I'm borderline whether to download the data and data mine it for info. If it includes user actions on certain SERP's, then, yeah..it's important to me.

I have a pretty good acquaintence that drools over this type of data, so I'll leave it to him to decide if there is 'gold in them there downloads'


47 posted on 08/08/2006 4:29:52 PM PDT by invoman
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To: Ralph the Hun

steak and cheese?


48 posted on 08/08/2006 5:17:09 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: invoman
I'm not quite sure (based on my initial understanding of the data released) that Google has anything to worry about.

I don't think I got my meaning across well. I didn't mean to say that Google has anything to worry about or is liable for anything, but this action by their partner in using their search engine goes against some pretty strong principles at Google. They can't be too happy.

49 posted on 08/08/2006 8:26:02 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Disambiguator
Actually, I wasn't aware that oil filters were a performance accessory for any vehicle

Really only in high-performance cars. The engines have much higher flow rates and oil pressures than normal, and these filters are built to handle it. They can also have sturdier walls to help prevent puncture by track debris and a hole for a securing wire (so a blown filter doesn't drop onto the track).

IOW, it's a waste of money in a normally aspirated 1.5l, 100hp car with a 0-60 of about 10 seconds.

50 posted on 08/08/2006 8:55:51 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Panerai

Time to short Time Warner stock.


51 posted on 08/08/2006 8:58:56 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Amazing what kind of "sickness" - morbid fascination - there is in people. I don't get it, myself.

Do you routinely wait in traffic for an hour only to drive by the wreck and NOT look or even glance at it? If so, you are a better person than most.

It is natural for humans to be fascinated by their own mortality. Most species of animals investigate the death of another member of their species, though most turn away in disgust rather quickly. It's instinctive. In order to avoid a particular form of death, one must at least learn it and partially understand why it happened. Also, the taboo of seeing the death has only made it that much more fascinating. Remember, we are only about two or three generations from the time when it was routine and acceptable to take pictures of the deceased in the coffin for the family. And remember, we routinely put a dead body on display for the friends and family to see for closure.

At least that's my take on why someone would look for morbid pictures on the internet.
52 posted on 08/08/2006 9:02:22 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

Actually, yes, I would classify me as such. I live in the Chicago metro area and get *really* fed up with gapers blocks on the area highways.


53 posted on 08/08/2006 9:03:42 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: JamesP81

I imagine these searches probably don't look too good to someone on the outside that doesn't know that I'm writing a book.

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If you really care just always clear your cookies before you search and you should be fine. I think most browsers have settings to never accept cookies from certain sites, that would be the easiest way to do it.


54 posted on 08/08/2006 9:07:40 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

I am a bit of a hypocrite. I know that I routinely at least glance at the accidents. But when I had my significant wreck, I made rude gestures at the gapers. Since then, I have learned the scientific and cultural basis for this response, so I am a little more at peace with it. We are an investigative species, and we are the only one to have a clue that death will touch each of us in any more than an instinctive sense. I don't spend too much time any more beating myself or others up for morbid curiosity, though if I never saw another accident again, it would be just fine with me. I hope to pass as several of my ancestors have : at 85 or 90, after starting a productive day and having a nap after a nice lunch. I can't think of a better way to complete a life well lived.


55 posted on 08/08/2006 9:13:28 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Also, I just visited your city last month, and I understand your frustration a little. The traffic and construction on the expressway had me swearing under my breath. But I still loved the museum of science and industry. The expensive parking I could have done without.


56 posted on 08/08/2006 9:15:39 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: BamaGirl
If you really care just always clear your cookies before you search and you should be fine. I think most browsers have settings to never accept cookies from certain sites, that would be the easiest way to do it.

They log it by IP address. Clearing cookies won't help you.
57 posted on 08/08/2006 10:41:58 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: JamesP81

They log it by IP address. Clearing cookies won't help you.

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Oh yeah, that's right.


58 posted on 08/08/2006 11:49:13 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Tribune7
steak and cheese?

Plotting a wife-killing is hungry work.

I'm more curious about "poop." Did the guy's 8-year-old find the computer still logged in?

59 posted on 08/08/2006 11:54:15 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: newgeezer
That database does not include names or user identities. Instead, it lists only a unique ID number for each user.

Therefore, it was either stupid or deceptive to open the piece by calling it "one of the year's bigger privacy scandals."

Depends on what's in there. I know in the last few weeks I've googled my real name, my FR handle, handles I use on various other forums, and various interests and hobbies.

Taken as a whole, the logs would tell a stranger more about me than I'd like him to know (though nothing more incriminating that I recently bought a Canon SLR and searched for Maria Sharapova). Anything personal is buried in sheer volume -- I probably average 2-3 dozen google searches a day.

The media accounts focus on the ones that jump out as weird and salacious, because the writers are on deadline. But someone who has the patience and skillz to do sophisticated data mining could cause real trouble. Those records could be cross-referenced to public records or private databases to nail down your identity, then used to steal it.

It will certainly make social engineering easier. If an identity thief knows your hobbies, your interests, maybe a specific company or two you've researched and might have done business with, it's easier to frame a convincing pitch to talk you out of your personal information.

Suppose you get a call from someone who claims to be handling a customer service follow-up on behalf of Bob's Camera. You just bought a nice flash from Bob's Camera, so there's nothing suspicious about that. He asks a few "rate from one to five" questions that seem legit and don't trip any alarms. He doesn't ask for any more personal information than your age and ZIP code, so it seems pretty safe.

What you don't know is that he already has your real name, and your mother's maiden name because you posted to genealogy forums. He knows that you researched that flash and researched Bob's Camera, and then your searches stopped. That's not proof that you bought a flash at Bob's, but that's the way to bet. A short con only has to work one time in a thousand to be profitable.

Now that your caller has your ZIP and age, he can nail your name down to a specific individual and address just by searching the white pages. He doesn't have to ask you for your SSN or account number, which would trigger an alarm; he'll get to it through other means.

This is the rough outline of a scam that I sketched out in the last 15 minutes or so. I'm not a thief. There are pros who have spent years, if not decades, honing their methods, and their methods are more devious than the ones I've imagined.

It's the loss of control over subtle info that worries me more than the obvious. If someone steals my credit card number, he can only run up charges to the limit on that card, and I'm not liable for the charges. If he gets my SSN, date of birth, mother's maiden name and a few other key bits of info, he can open unlimited accounts in my name that I won't know about; put my home itself in jeopardy of liens against it; and create a mess that will take months or more likely years to clear up.

60 posted on 08/09/2006 12:55:03 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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