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Joe Lieberman's Pathetic Hail Mary Pass on Iraq
Associated Press/Yahoo News ^ | 8.7.06 | Arianna Huffington

Posted on 08/08/2006 8:30:19 AM PDT by gopwinsin04

Let's hope Joe Lieberman's Hail Mary toss on Iraq isn't the wave of the future for the Democratic Party.

In their story on Lieberman's desperate, clammy, last-ditch attempt to save his political hide, Times reporters Patrick Healy and Jennifer Medina called Lieberman's verbal retrenchment on Iraq -- a mea culpa without the culpa -- "a new set of talking points for Democratic leaders who are struggling for the right words to reconcile their support for the war initially and the fiery antiwar stance of many Democratic voters today."

Talking points? More like a recipe for disaster. Read John Zogby's terrific post on what Democratic voters are looking for. A hint: it ain't the muddled mush Lieberman was dishing out Sunday night.

After much hand-wringing and midnight oil burning (and, no doubt, poll reading), Lieberman's advisors finally convinced the Senator that in order to have even a shot at breaking his downward Joementum, he'd have to at least soften his bellicose stance on the war.

You could almost hear their plaintive pleas: "C'mon, Joe, Hillary just called it a failure -- can't you at least say something like, 'Iraq: it wasn't the best idea America's ever had'?"

But the best they could do was convince Lieberman to play the "let's agree to disagree" card. A shift from his previous criticize-the-president-and-imperil-the-nation rhetoric, to be sure... but a new set of Democratic talking points? Please... how low are we going to set the bar?

"I not only respect your right to disagree or question the president or anyone else, including me, I value your right," said Lieberman. Nice to know he now values the First Amendment.

He also said he understood that many Democrats "are angry about the war" and that since he doesn't believe "there is anything I can say to change your mind about whether we should have gone to war or when to bring the troops home...at this point I'm not going to insult you by trying." In other words, he still thinks those opposing the war are dead wrong but has decided not to "insult" them by trying to convince them otherwise. So it's comity uber alles. How generous of him. But not the kind of leadership Democrats are looking for on the war.

Lieberman also said that he wants to bring the troops home "as fast as anyone" -- as long as "anyone" doesn't include all those folks who'd like to bring the troops home before they get any further caught up in a civil war conflagration.

Anxious to move Iraq to the backburner, Lieberman dug deep into his long history in the Senate to find a reason why Connecticut voters shouldn't send him packing tomorrow. The biggest selling point he came up with?

"I don't hate Republicans," he said, while arguing that he wasn't President Bush's "best friend and enabler."

Talking points for the ages.

I thought the Dems' "America, Together We Can Do Better" was the worst rallying cry money could buy... but Lieberman just topped it: "I don't hate Republicans."

Earlier in the day, Lieberman had made campaign stops at a pair of churches. At one, the preacher invoked the Biblical story of Joseph, who "refused to sell out to the haters."

Lieberman picked up the theme, saying: "Joseph had faith that God will take care of the haters, and I have a certain faith that this Tuesday God will take care of the voters."

Huh? I love the story of Joseph, but I have no idea what Lieberman was talking about.

Was he saying that, for him, "the haters" = "the voters"? That he believes God will "take care" of "the voters" by getting them to vote God's and Lieberman's way? That God will smite down Lamont voters on the way to the polls? That Lieberman is hated by his brothers? That when he loses his Senate seat he'll switch to dream analysis for Pharaoh? That he plans to run as an independent on the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat Party ticket?

I'd love to know what point you biblical scholars out there think Lieberman was trying to make, because I really don't have a clue.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: bullzogby; election2006; electioncongress; huffington; joementum; lieberman; makingitup; patheticpolls; zogbyism

1 posted on 08/08/2006 8:30:20 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
"...I really don't have a clue."

That about sums Arianna up.

2 posted on 08/08/2006 8:33:40 AM PDT by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: ECM

lmao, Joe calling the voters in his own state 'haters!'


3 posted on 08/08/2006 8:35:28 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Why doesn't Arianna just take a very, very long vacation? Good Lord, but she is annoying.


4 posted on 08/08/2006 8:37:00 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." - Douglas MacArthur)
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To: gopwinsin04

Its going to be pathetic that the Dems think anti-war, anti-israel and impeachment rhetoric are winners. They have no idea whats about to happen to them as they run to the far left.


5 posted on 08/08/2006 8:38:23 AM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: gopwinsin04
Has Huffington ever correctly predicted an election?
6 posted on 08/08/2006 8:38:40 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: gopwinsin04
"Connecticut: We're Not as Hateful as Rhode Island"
7 posted on 08/08/2006 8:42:08 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: gopwinsin04
The Queen of the Moonbats looking for a conspirazoid win.

She knows her propagandists in the MSM will hail a win as a national referendum on Iraq, they are already planning their coverage, as evidenced by Chrissy's confession of that plan last nite. He said this win will be on every front page in the world as a defeat for Bush.

Wow, a Dem moonbat primary will be overcovered while several votes in the Congress to remove troops failed, and not a mention by the MSM.

This collaboration on a storyline, talking points, and the writing of a fictional script and disguising it as "news" is truly sickening.
8 posted on 08/08/2006 8:43:13 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: gopwinsin04

Does anyone think for one minute that Arianna actually believes half the sh*t she spews. She's a star-chaser and her "liberalism" has gotten her a slight entree into their world...she has no core.


9 posted on 08/08/2006 8:44:19 AM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: gopwinsin04

I predict that Lamont will win the primary, and he actually will have a good shot of winning the general election.

This year in general is not going to be good for Republicans, as it's more a referendum on Bush than anything else. But that's ok, since it will solidify the moonbat stance of the Democratic party, thus clearing the way for an easy win in 2008.


10 posted on 08/08/2006 8:46:10 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: gopwinsin04

I can't believe she thinks she's still relevant.


11 posted on 08/08/2006 8:48:57 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: pabianice

lol!! Joementum in full effect, I want them both fighting and spending money to the wire


12 posted on 08/08/2006 8:49:25 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

When will the MSM drive-by-media bring up the fact that a large amount of Joes enemies on the left are just virile anti-Semites? A lot of leftist blogs are flush with pro PLO, Hezbo, Hamas sentiment. They are the same hate america types that blame us for 9/11 etc.


13 posted on 08/08/2006 8:50:10 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (VOTE DEMOCRAT--TERRORISTS ARE COUNTING ON IT)
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To: gopwinsin04

I am really offended that the AP and dumb broad Arianna Huffington would take a religious term "Hail Mary" to decorate their trash Lieberman article. Huffington needs more than the virgin Mary to validate her incoherent ramblings.


14 posted on 08/08/2006 8:50:19 AM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: gopwinsin04
Was he saying that, for him, "the haters" = "the voters"?

I love how the haters don't seem to realize they are haters.

Personally, I hope Ned wins. The more the D party goes to the single-note candidates who's entire platform is "we hate Bush and everything he's done", the more I like it.

Altho it would be a RIOT if Ned loses, the gloom and depression among the moonbats would be delicious.

15 posted on 08/08/2006 8:53:15 AM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative = Careful, as in 'Conservative with money')
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To: gopwinsin04

I am so glad Arianna went over to the dark side, she's a twit.


16 posted on 08/08/2006 8:55:13 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: gopwinsin04

This was written by a woman who sounds like Gerda the Gestapo Guard and was married to a man for 13 years, and claims she didn't know he was gay until the end.

Those sure sound like great qualifications for a liberal columnist to me!


17 posted on 08/08/2006 8:57:16 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: FourtySeven
But that's ok, since it will solidify the moonbat stance of the Democratic party, thus clearing the way for an easy win in 2008.

I fear you may be right, but it's not 'ok', and for the following reasons:

1. One of the first items on a Speaker Nancy Pelosi agenda will be re-enactment of the so-called 'Fairness Doctrine', which will effectively silence the most forceful opposition to the leftist agenda: conservative talk radio (methinks NPR and Air America will be spared from F.D. strictures ...). And I believe that GWB would be coerced into signing it into law instead of vetoing it.

2. The next agenda item will be zeroing out the budget for Iraq, and maybe even the WOT in general. This will force an Iraq bugout when the money spigot is closed (shades of Vietnam 1973-1975).

3. The inevitable attempt to impeach GWB and the Iraq bugout will prove Osama Bin Laden's assertion that we are a paper tiger correct in the eyes of our allies and enemies throughout the world. This will speed up planning and execution of any attack the terrorists may have in store for us.

My point is that in 2 years, a left-wing-controlled Congress may do irreversible damage to our country. Even if the Republicans could in theory muster enough support to retake Congress and retain the White House in 2008, I believe the 'Rats will stop at nothing to prevent it from happening --- and I mean NOTHING, up to and including violence.

18 posted on 08/08/2006 9:02:44 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bassmaner

grab the popcorn, crack-up on the left continues...


19 posted on 08/08/2006 9:05:41 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: FourtySeven

wow i see it the other way with us picking up NJ and Md and Bush continuing to raise big money for the GOP


20 posted on 08/08/2006 9:06:13 AM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: italianquaker; bassmaner
Actually I am optimistic about Steele's chances in November. I was referring to a "big picture" type of prediction. I predict a net loss for Republicans in '06, although a win in MD, as well as NJ would be surprising and invigorating.

As far as bassmaner's predictions, I would say #1 doesn't stand a chance, as Bush is not some weakling that will sign a bill so obviously damaging as the Fairness Doctrine. Just as the "ban on gay marriage amendment" has no chance, really, of passing and becoming an amendment, such an obviously leftist law as the Fairness Doctrine has no chance of passing, much less being signed. It's only introduced so that Pelosi can look good for her constituency.

The other two points are possible, I suppose, but not without much resistance on the part of Congressional Republicans. Most likely, the 2 years between '06 and '08 will be full of stalemates and filibusters, with not much damage done, at least not much permanent damage. After all, while the Dems will have a good year this year, it's not like they are going to have a super majority in either the House or Senate. It will essentially be a hollow victory, especially with Bush still in office. Many (rightly I think) criticized him for not using the veto pen much, but I would say with a Democratic Congress in opposition, that pen will get more use in the next two years.

And besides, the elections still may be a surprise. Maybe we won't have a net loss at all.
21 posted on 08/08/2006 9:35:43 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: gopwinsin04

Man, is she stupid. I caught a minute or two of her and Dennis Praeger on the idiot larry king's show. Praeger showed great self-control by not slapping her.


22 posted on 08/08/2006 9:49:09 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: bassmaner

I agree with your reasons that a Lamont victory would not be good, BUT...

Fortunately, even if the Dems were to win the House and Senate, we could use the cloture rule in the Senate, and we would have GWB to veto any totally onrous garbage from a Dem House/Senate.

Personally, I do not think Dems are going to make gains in November, but just in case....


23 posted on 08/08/2006 9:51:23 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: gopwinsin04
As usual, Huffington's comments are at odds with the subject material she is covering.

Talking points? More like a recipe for disaster. Read John Zogby's terrific post on what Democratic voters are looking for. A hint: it ain't the muddled mush Lieberman was dishing out Sunday night.

Liberman was being anything but muddled and mushy. He wasn't being waffle boy. He stood by what he believes in and remained consistent.

She call his responses muddled mush, and then follows it by criticizing him for standing by his convictions and not bending to those who blindly oppose whatever the administration does.

Liberman has been one of the more consistent and principled Senators. I disagree with many of his principles, but I do admire that he sticks by them much more consistently than most.

He refuses to insult voters by making hollow statements saying that he has changed his mind like many politicians do. He won't change his stance on things to oppose Republicans for the sake of political expediency.

Huffington either doesn't grasp this, or she rejects and attacks it because she is an amoral political creature. The issues and principles don't matter to her, only the political power plays.

Lieberman picked up the theme, saying: "Joseph had faith that God will take care of the haters, and I have a certain faith that this Tuesday God will take care of the voters."

Huh? I love the story of Joseph, but I have no idea what Lieberman was talking about.

He was talking about people like Huffington, though she's apparently too stupid to realize it.

24 posted on 08/08/2006 11:36:21 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: conservative blonde

Oh, Lord what next? It has become a FOOTBALL phrase.


25 posted on 08/08/2006 1:00:59 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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