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Murtha is assailed for daring to speak out
Centre Daily/Phil. Enquirer ^ | 8/6/06 | Editorial staff

Posted on 08/09/2006 4:06:54 PM PDT by Coop

John Murtha... is taking obscene criticism from the right for daring to point out that the Bush administration has given our troops an all-but-impossible job in Iraq.

The 17-term congressman had already inflamed the Swift Boat crowd last year by calling for a rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces.

The fallout reached a ridiculous low point last fall when a Republican congresswoman who'd never been within several time zones of a battlefield called Murtha, winner of two Purple Hearts, a coward on the House floor. [Coop note: Any bets as to how close any of these editors ever came to a battlefield?]

Now, incredibly, the partisan rhetoric is even more vile. Murtha is being called a traitor and a "fifth columnist" because he responded to reports of a possible massacre in Haditha, Iraq, by lamenting that Marines shot Iraqi civilians "in cold blood."

The descriptions of what happened in Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005, are among the ugliest to come out of the war. The Marines said initially that civilians were killed in crossfire with insurgents after a bomb killed a Marine. A military probe since then has amassed evidence that Marines may have deliberately shot and killed 24 civilians, including children, in a house-to-house search, and that attempts were made to cover up the incident. [Coop note: A military probe, which you're apparently so fond of, has already concluded there was no cover up. Get up to date... on a whole host of issues!]

Murtha's point was that such incidents are an inevitable result of leaving troops too long in the middle of an emerging civil war with no clear mission.

That's not the talk of a traitor... A country that can't handle that kind of debate is a country that can't handle democracy.

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Oh, so now he was simply lamenting?? Isn't that just precious?

And pay attention boys and girls! Calling Marines "cold blooded killers" is healthy debate. Calling that reckless accuser "a traitor" is obscene. The elites have spoken!

It seems to me that the media is in overdrive trying to protect Murtha's sorry butt. Why? They keep insisting he's not in any re-election trouble. ;-)

These wimpy pro-Murtha editorials are the equivalent of armpit stains during a public speaking engagement.

1 posted on 08/09/2006 4:06:55 PM PDT by Coop
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To: 4yearlurker; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; acsrp38; agincourt1415; A message; angcat; armydawg1; ...
Ping

If you'd like on or off the Irey/Murtha ping list, please FReepmail me.

2 posted on 08/09/2006 4:07:40 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Wow, now finally the MSM is shovelling dirt on Murtha as fast as they can to cover up his treason....ain't gonna work, the horse ran out of the barn WAY back.


3 posted on 08/09/2006 4:08:30 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Coop
The 17-term congressman

They say that like it's a good thing...

4 posted on 08/09/2006 4:08:55 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("No one cried when Clinton spied." -Crosslake)
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To: Coop

We seem to be missing a Barf Alert.


5 posted on 08/09/2006 4:09:41 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Creation "science" has a final answer--adherence to the scriptures. All other data are discarded.)
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To: EagleUSA

It'll work if he's re-elected. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter, nor the ability for "outraged" conservatives to do nothing.


6 posted on 08/09/2006 4:10:26 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

7 posted on 08/09/2006 4:11:01 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: freedumb2003
We seem to be missing a Barf Alert.

More like a whining sissy alert.

8 posted on 08/09/2006 4:11:39 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: freedumb2003
We seem to be missing a Barf Alert.

It's the first word of the title - what more do you want?!? ;-)

9 posted on 08/09/2006 4:11:40 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

10 posted on 08/09/2006 4:11:44 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Coop
Paging the Centre Daily Times....

MARINE CORPS TO MURTHA: OH, NO, YOU DIDN'T! (Diana Irey website)

11 posted on 08/09/2006 4:12:04 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Coop
It's the first word of the title - what more do you want?!? ;-)

For the second time today I stand corrected (LOL).

12 posted on 08/09/2006 4:13:03 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Creation "science" has a final answer--adherence to the scriptures. All other data are discarded.)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

Hopefully he will NOT be elected to an eighteenth term!!


13 posted on 08/09/2006 4:13:43 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Coop
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNOWS

YET MURTHA STILL DOESN'T KNOW HE'S AN ASSH0LE.




14 posted on 08/09/2006 4:14:37 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated)
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To: Coop
The 17-term congressman

Good grief. Like that is a good thing!

15 posted on 08/09/2006 4:16:25 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: Coop

The old double standard free speech; I am free to say what I want ,but, you can't if you disagree. Works well for 3 year olds and rats.


16 posted on 08/09/2006 4:16:51 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: Coop

Oh spare us. It's not Murtha speaking out that is the problem. It's not as if he's the only one dissenting on Iraq. It's the irresponsible way in which he's gone about it, throwing about wild charges, making bizarre assertions and his ugly and partisan venom that has made Murtha a particularized target of conservatives. If just simple disagreement over the war were all that got under our skin, we conservatives would have to make it a full time job going after all the carpers.

No, it is not disagreement we have a problem with but the DISAGREEABLE nature of the dissent coming from rank partisan hacks like Murtha. Constructive criticism of our government is always welcome and a tradition of American democracy. Destructive criticism is in quite another league. It is precisely this kind of venomous and slanderous criticism destructive of our national leadership and of our military, like claiming the president lied to get us into a war or pronouncing guilt on Marines involved in Haditha before all the facts are knows is why Murtha finds himself coming under the gun.

And by the way, as the MSM defends the right of Murtha to attack the war effort, then they damned well better respect our right to attack the irresponsible and divisive way he's gone about it.


17 posted on 08/09/2006 4:17:24 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Coop

I love the way the author impugns the Republican congresswomen who spoke up about the policy Murtha was espousing. If I recall the circumstances, she never said Murtha was a coward, she was quoting a Marine constituent who said that cowards cut and run and Marines never did. Ever since then she has been villified as though she were personally attacking Murtha. It's an example of the way the media and left twist words to suit their purposes.


18 posted on 08/09/2006 4:18:05 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Coop

If you call treason, "speaking out", yes, he was assailed! And I'm so happy about.


19 posted on 08/09/2006 4:19:10 PM PDT by jw777
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To: Coop

I do not listen to Murtha, much like would not listen to any other gibbering senile old coot.


20 posted on 08/09/2006 4:19:14 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Coop; All

It seems the Central Daily/Phil. Enquirer doesn't let the truth stand in their way for their editorials. Either that or they're just too lazy and inept to bother to get the truth. I believe it's all of the above.

Support Diana Irey and help retire the despicable Murtha.

http://www.irey.com/



21 posted on 08/09/2006 4:19:27 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Coop

Murtha is free to speak and those who oppose the content of his speech are free to work to unelect him. He will still be able to speak out as much as he wants. He just won"t be in Congress. No big deal.


22 posted on 08/09/2006 4:19:59 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: george76

Is that a real shirt and if it is, where can I get one!???


23 posted on 08/09/2006 4:22:32 PM PDT by Hildy (To save us both time, assume I know everything...)
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To: Coop
Murtha's point was that such incidents are an inevitable result of leaving troops too long in the middle of an emerging civil war with no clear mission.

Oh please, atrocities happen in all wars of all types. They happened in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, etc. as well. It's nothing about the nature of this conflict that caused this. And it's not because it's a "civil war" which it's not. It's human nature that things like this occassionally occur in all conflicts among all armies.

And how do you know these men weren't clear on the mission? Most I've heard speak were entirely clear. That writer and Murtha are too dim or decieved to get it doesn't mean are military men and women don't.

And military units have seen far more battles and fighting than this one in the wars America has fought and not given in to savagery. So to claim it is because of their length of service in what is basically a low level conflict is ludicrious at best. Indeed, instead of looking to blame war policy for this, why not blame the terrorists who hide among civilians and use sissified stand off tactics to try to CAUSE THESE KINDS OF INCIDENTS instead of just looking as always to blame the administration. No, the terrorists are "freedom fighters" undeserving of any criticism, right?

And by the way, when this incident is alleged to have occured in 2004, there was nothing like the sectarian violence this moron labels as "civil war," so his claim this happened because of a "civil war" is sheer nonsense. But leave it to a media parasite to have to fit in all their favorite buzzwords into the slop they write, regardless of accuracy. And in the case, he makes these assertions regardless of their being no indictments nor findings of wrongdoing.

24 posted on 08/09/2006 4:26:05 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Coop

The editorial "staph" infection approves of Murtha.

So does Sadaaamn Hussein and Hugo "el burro" Chavez and Cindy "LOLA" Sheehan.

Nice company.


25 posted on 08/09/2006 4:31:39 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: EagleUSA

It don't matter how much paint and perfume you put on a pile of poop, it is still an eyesore and stinks. The MSM covering for him are the flies relishing it nonetheless


26 posted on 08/09/2006 4:32:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Coop

27 posted on 08/09/2006 4:34:44 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: Coop; All

Well .. HE WAS SIMPLY LYING!

He said he had been briefed on May 17 - but he was NOT BRIEFED UNTIL 7/24 or later. Therefore, he had no info .. and he was just blowing off steam - to make a name for himself.

And besides .. he did the same thing to Clinton over Somalia and - of course - Clinton backed down and withdrew our troops. That act convinced Osama America was weak and if there were enough casualties .. we would "cut and run".

As far as I'm concerned Murtha is to blame for 9/11.


28 posted on 08/09/2006 4:50:54 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
The 17-term congressman

They say that like it's a good thing

Isn't that way too long "time in grade" not to have been forcibly retired?

29 posted on 08/09/2006 4:58:09 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: caseinpoint
We seem to be missing a Barf Alert.

You're exactly right. One might call the way the media and Democrats handled that... OBSCENE.

30 posted on 08/09/2006 5:00:28 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Bogtrotter52
And if you keep ignoring him now, you can continue ignoring him for an 18th (and 19th, and 20th...) term.

Pay very close attention to Murtha's verbal vomit, and especially pay attention to what his opponent, Diana Irey, is saying.

31 posted on 08/09/2006 5:01:53 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Paladin2
Murtha is free to speak and those who oppose the content of his speech are free to work to unelect him.

Conceptually, perhaps. But that's not the way I read this editorial, or most Dem talking points.

32 posted on 08/09/2006 5:02:57 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: MikeA

Haditha occurred in Nov 05


33 posted on 08/09/2006 5:03:39 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Arrest the editorial staff for Treason.

They do not understand what debate means and what Treason means. They need a lesson in basic civics.


34 posted on 08/09/2006 5:04:01 PM PDT by Prost1 (uit)
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To: Coop

Whenever the demo/lib/socialist/commie/media elite/globalist/America haters respond like this, you KNOW you've stung 'em.


35 posted on 08/09/2006 5:07:36 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: EagleUSA
Murtha did it to stop the ethics investigation in the house to stop. It was all about him and his illegal gotten gains. He's nothing more than a traitor and another congresscritter CROOK....it seems as the months move on folks have forgotten this bottom line reason....
36 posted on 08/09/2006 5:09:14 PM PDT by shield ( A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Coop

Somebody from the main stream media complaining that conservatives don't understand what debate and democracy is about but apparently they do. Now that's REALLY funny !!!


37 posted on 08/09/2006 5:14:40 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Coop

B T T T


38 posted on 08/09/2006 5:21:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Taglines for sale or rent. Good "one liners", 50 cents.)
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To: Coop
Image hosted by Photobucket.com not for "SpeakingOut" but for TalkinSh!t...



Who am I... and WHY am I HERE???


For that matter... where the hell's here and what's up with this basket???

39 posted on 08/09/2006 5:35:27 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Coop; smoothsailing; W04Man; USN SIGNL MAN; jazusamo; WeDontKnowJack; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ...
Diana Irey is a real American Patriot!
She's all over the phony cut and run murtha.
Every vet in America needs to back her and sign up for the Veterans Roll Call
The only "vets" who wouldn't would be the "vets" who supported hanoi harry.
All a real vet has to do is "sign" his/her real name.
Branch of Service
Dates of Service
Your State
Your e-mail address
Any other info is optional

REAL Vets, on other forums, where support for Diana Irey is not allowed
can post their info here and the liberal forums won't even know.
Nor will FR even know.

Why would a REAL vet NOT sign the Veterans Roll Call?
Time for REAL Vets to stand Proud and Tall for our men and women on active duty now!


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Murtha sides up with Code Pink

Code Pink has given $650,000 to the terrorists in Fallujah, participated in war crimes tribunals against America and has called American soldiers "killers" on their website among many treasonous actions. They display signs like "Maimed for a Lie" at Walter Reed Army Medical Center where wounded troops are healing.
Text of Code Pink's statement on meeting Rep. Murtha:
Thank You Congressman Murtha! CODEPINK co-founder Gael Murphy and DC coordinator Allison Yorra met with Congressman Murtha to thank him for his courageous stand on Iraq. We presented him with our pink badge of courage and pink flowers sent by CODEPINK members nationwide.


Murtha's "Cut & Run" Comments on Iraq:

"there's no progress at all"

"it's worse than it was prewar"

"we should immediatley redeploy"

"War cannot be won on the ground"

"I have said it's a civil war"

"We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning,"

Murtha's Comments on our Troops:

"Would you join (the military) today?," he was asked in an interview. "No," replied Murtha

"And I think you're saying the average guy out there who's considering recruitment is justified in saying 'I don't want to serve'," the interviewer continued. "Exactly right," said Murtha

"we have become a catalyst for violence" in Iraq

Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood." at Haditha

"I will not excuse murder, and this is what happened"

"This is worse than Abu Ghraib"

"Hopefully, this is an isolated incident. But we're supposed to be selling ideas of America, ideals of America, and we're losing that war."

"These kind of things have to be brought out immediately," he told "This Week," "because if the Marines got away with it, other Marines might think it's okay."

"What they're saying to me is we're stretching the military too thin. The army is broken, and we couldn't deploy to a second front if we wanted to."

"The troops don't know what to do. They don't have the direction they need in order to supervise the prisoners,"



"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified,
shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars
were treated and appreciated by their nation."

-- President George Washington --

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and
undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."

-- President Abraham Lincoln --


Guide to Local Media
"Point" the media to

http://www.irey.com
AND
http://vets4irey.com
AND
http://www.bootmurtha.com


Locate media in your zip code, gives you links to
YOUR local media with phone, e-mail etc info.


40 posted on 08/09/2006 5:47:56 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support the troops by exposing the threats to them like hanoi kerry, cut and run murtha, Code Pink,)
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To: Coop
Gotta agree with you. I saw what Murtha said. It wasn't nice and it wasn't debate. Did I mention that it wasn't fair? I think Murtha is toast. So...the MSM is in hysterical mode.
41 posted on 08/09/2006 5:48:44 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Coop

RDTF wrote:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/

Anti-Israeli Cyberterrorist Attacks Planned for Tomorrow
By Evan Kohlmann

Participants on key Arabic-language Al-Qaida chat forums on the Internet have announced their intent to
launch collective cyberterrorist attacks tomorrow, August 10, aimed at interrupting or denying service to
other pro-Israeli websites--namely the "Internet Haganah" cyberterror watchdog site run by Aaron
Weisburd.





Good time for those interested in this conflict to bookmark the alternate Free Republic site, here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freerepublic2/


42 posted on 08/09/2006 5:51:46 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Nuc1
Would you like to be on the Irey/Murtha ping list?

Also, please consider signing the roll call (now approaching 1,200 veterans) on Vets4Irey. No cost or obligation.

43 posted on 08/09/2006 5:52:58 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: mware

Good thinking. Thanks.


44 posted on 08/09/2006 5:53:42 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Nuc1; Coop; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks for the ping Tonk.


<<< So...the MSM is in hysterical mode.>>>

LOL!
I was really enjoying the CNN people eating their own (reporting on the fake and staged pictures) tonight. They hated every minute of it.

*smirk*
45 posted on 08/09/2006 5:59:23 PM PDT by fanfan (The MSM has no clothes.)
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To: Coop; All

“They want to depose me, a seventeen-term Congressman. Is that even constitutional?”

46 posted on 08/09/2006 6:00:12 PM PDT by dighton
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To: CyberAnt

>>>>As far as I'm concerned Murtha is to blame for 9/11.

And the funding of Wilson's War.


47 posted on 08/09/2006 6:09:57 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Coop

"It seems to me that the media is in overdrive trying to protect Murtha's sorry butt. Why? They keep insisting he's not in any re-election trouble. ;-)"

The Philly Enquirer?? You mean that big city clear at the other end of the state? Good grief! *Someone* is REALLY pulling out all the stops. In fact, for the Enquirer to acknowledge that there is "life" west of Philly must have taken some doing. ;)


48 posted on 08/09/2006 6:12:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Ranger (lamenting the death of "common sense" - vote Irey)
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To: Coop

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674796/posts?page=45#45

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674796/posts?page=53#53

CMU and DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) funding.


49 posted on 08/09/2006 6:13:43 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Hildy

It looks like a real shirt, but I do not have a source personally.

Maybe some here may have a link to a source ?

Otherwise, you could visit a local t-shirt store as they may be able to re-produce it.


50 posted on 08/09/2006 6:15:41 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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