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London Airline Bombing Plot News (updated 4:05 pm ET)
Counterterrorismblog.org ^ | August 10, 2006 | Andrew Cochran

Posted on 08/10/2006 1:49:25 PM PDT by John Lenin

London Airline Bombing Plot News (updated 4:05 pm ET)

By Andrew Cochran

ABC News: Three alleged ringleaders have been identified; two recently traveled to Pakistan and later received money wired to them from Pakistan, reportedly to purchase tickets for the suicide bombers. Sources identify the three, now in custody, as Rashid Rauf, Mohammed al-Ghandra, and Ahmed al Khan. Fox News at 3 pm ET:"British authorities are 'urgently' seeking the arrests of up to 10 more suspects in the terrorist plot uncovered early Thursday morning to blow up U.S.-bound flights with liquid explosives carried onto planes via carry-on luggage." Twenty-four main suspects are now in custody. Fox News again: "(A)n Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago provided a lead that played a role in "unearthing the plot," that helped authorities arrest suspects in Britain." AP reports that the were targeting as many as 10 flights, and "plotters hoped to stage a dry run within two days," and "the actual attack would have followed within days."

Michelle Malkin's and Brendan Loy's blogs included links to many stories overnight on this plot. See Walid Phares' post on this plot with his early analysis and incisive questions, and Evan Kohlmann's post today on Al Qaeda's use of liquid explosives for airliners. Here is the statement by the Homeland Security Department on the raised threat level to Severe, or Red, for commercial flights originating in the UK bound for the United States, with the threat raised to Orange for all flights within or bound for the US. MSNBC: "U.S. intelligence has been working closely with the British on the investigation, which has been ongoing for months," and "These officials described a threat aimed at United, American and Continental Air Lines, and flights to the major summer tourist destinations of New York, Washington and California." Fox News: "A U.S. intelligence official said the plotters had hoped to target flights to major airports in New York, Washington and California." All commentary points to the similarity to the failed Al Qaeda Bojinka plot in 1995 to blow up airliners. Fox News again: "A senior U.S. counterterrorism official said authorities believe dozens of people — possibly as many as 50 — were involved in the plot."

Press conference with DHS Secretary Chertoff, Att. Gen. Gonzales, & FBI Director Mueller at 8 am ET: Well-planned and well-advanced plot with significant number of operatives - very concrete steps underway and suspects had accumulated capabilities to carry out plot - british authorities pursued this for some time but in last two weeks, focus on US targets appeared and plan appeared to have accelerated - "quite close" to execution phase - no indication of US plotters who would have intersected with UK plotters - would not give a number of airliners but "multiple" - shortly before arrests, suspects focused on UK-US routes - can't say whether 9/11 anniversary a factor or whether they would have waited that long - explosives designed into beverages and other liquids, electronics, and other common objects, with possibility of bringing benign components onboard and then assembling them - "quite sophisticated" - will not discuss suspects' nationalities now, but this group was "very skilled and very capable" - suggestive of Al Qaeda plot but not certain and reminiscent of 1995 plot (Bojinka) - arrests have significantly disrupted the threat but investigation ongoing in UK and here - no liquids or gels allowed in carry-on baggage.

NBC News' Lisa Myers reported that one or more suspects had traveled to Pakistan, where they received some training. MSNBC's Bob Windrem reported that two persons were arrested in Pakistan in connection with this plot, most of the suspects are of Pakistani origin (but all suspects are British nationals), and Pakistani intel services assisted UK agencies in the investigation (also reported in the London Times and confirmed by Pakistani authorities). He also reports multiple plotters would have boarded each aircraft with components combined inflight. The plotters looked for flights online in the past few weeks, leading UK investigators to move towards the arrests. ABC News: They "planned to conceal their liquid or gel explosives inside a modified sports beverage drink container and trigger the device with the flash from a disposable camera."

"US News & World Reports" reports that "At least some of the suspects had ties to those involved in the July 7, 2005, coordinated bombings on the London subways" and "Terrorists plotting to blow up American planes headed from the United Kingdom to the United States were planning to smuggle hydrogen peroxide based improvised liquid/slurry explosives in modified sports drinks bottles."

President Bush at 11:50 am ET: "We are safer than we were prior to 9/11," but we're obviously not completely safe because people still plot against us. "It's a mistake to believe there is no threat aginst the United States."

Walid Phares on MSNBC this morning: Biggest attack network in history of Al Qaeda - number of jihadists has grown from 1 shoe bomber to 7 in London attacks to at least 21, with base in UK. This would have required a support network of over 100, perhaps 150. AQ leaders have been threatening attacks in their statements for months, indicating their involvement in planning and execution.

Evan Kohlmann on MSNBC: AQ training camps near Pak-Afghan border used for 7/7 bombers. This plot "smacks of Al Qaeda through and through," due to the number of people involved and the sophistication of the explosives. Two kinds of Al Qaeda splinter groups: "wannabes" and actual affiliates (official or unofficial) - one of the latter announced alliance with Al Qaeda last week (see my post on the Egyptian Islamic Group, aka Gamaa Islamiya).

Magnus Ranstorp is quoted by MSNBC that this “could very well have been an attempt at ’the Big One.”’

Lorenzo Vidino reminded me of this story from London a few months ago: "Abu Hamza fanatics are urging fresh suicide attacks on passenger jets, using mini-bombs in pens and disposable cameras. The call is aired on an website run by supporters of the jailed hook-handed cleric. It recommends the use of a high-powered explosive dubbed Mother of Satan, which is of the same type used by the July 7 bombers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; bojinka; bombingplot; eurabia; globaljihad; holywar; jihadineurope; jihadists; londonairlineplot; londonbombingplot; projectbojinka; terrorism; terroristbombing; terrorists; timeline; victory; waronterror; waronterrorism; whywefight; wot
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More tidbits of info on the bombing plot.
1 posted on 08/10/2006 1:49:26 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

"Abu Hamza fanatics are urging fresh suicide attacks on passenger jets, using mini-bombs in pens and disposable cameras. The call is aired on an website run by supporters of the jailed hook-handed cleric. It recommends the use of a high-powered explosive dubbed Mother of Satan, which is of the same type used by the July 7 bombers.

Isn't it time for ol' Cap'n Hook to have a convenient mass coronary?(hint hint)


2 posted on 08/10/2006 1:53:12 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: John Lenin

If they can just nuke that entire region in Waristan or whatever it is called, most of his crap will go away.


3 posted on 08/10/2006 1:53:19 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: John Lenin

My thanks John. I stayed up til 4am with this and been busy today and you have capsuled it up to date very well. Imagine the rest of the plotters are scurrying now like the cowardly rats they are.


4 posted on 08/10/2006 1:56:18 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: daybreakcoming

It's a great site I stumbled onto in the last week.


5 posted on 08/10/2006 1:57:38 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Why are they called suicide bombers? Did they buy all the available seats on the planes? They are freakin' homicidal lunatics. Sure wish the MSM would call it like it is.


6 posted on 08/10/2006 1:58:13 PM PDT by grellis (I don't know, let me ask my I Ching)
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To: Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
There are a lot of different source weblinks in this thread and the gist of the plot and details.

No media "bias" thread here, just the "facts".

Thought some might be interested in a good "one-stop shop" (even if it is multi-sourced).

7 posted on 08/10/2006 1:58:41 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: kaktuskid

Canadian Plane headed for Reagan diverted to Baltimore...Dogs are boarding now. Fox News


8 posted on 08/10/2006 2:02:17 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: John Lenin
...plotters hoped to stage a dry run...

...explosives designed into beverages and other liquids, electronics, and other common objects, with possibility of bringing benign components onboard and then assembling them...

This makes me think of that Annie Jacobsen Terror in the Skies piece... and all the related incidents that her story brought up.
9 posted on 08/10/2006 2:02:21 PM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: John Lenin

mark for later read


10 posted on 08/10/2006 2:02:34 PM PDT by eyespysomething (There is no such thing as global warming. Chuck Norris was cold, so he turned the sun up.)
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To: John Lenin

Who woulda thunk guys with names like Rashid Rauf, Mohammed al-Ghandra, and Ahmed al Khan would be involved in a plot like this. It sounds like profiling to me.


11 posted on 08/10/2006 2:02:47 PM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: John Lenin

They would have needed to use 80-90% peroxide. And handling it is far from easy. More specifically, if the container with it were subjected to intense ultrasound, peroxide would start rapidly decomposing with the release of superheated steam. Thus sonicators could be added to the luggage screening machines lineup.


12 posted on 08/10/2006 2:03:57 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: John Lenin

Thank God for the Brits!


13 posted on 08/10/2006 2:04:25 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Thrusher

Exactly - I've been trying all day to remember the name of that article. Thanks.


14 posted on 08/10/2006 2:08:18 PM PDT by iceskater (One person's mess is another person's filing system.)
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To: John Lenin

save for later tonight


15 posted on 08/10/2006 2:12:25 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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To: iceskater
Exactly - I've been trying all day to remember the name of that article. Thanks.

I just did a little research and found out that she did a whole book about her experiences called Terror in the Skies: Why 9-11 Could Happen Again. And the Women's Wall Street Journal continues to run a Terror in the Skies series.
16 posted on 08/10/2006 2:12:42 PM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: John Lenin
"(A)n Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago provided a lead that played a role in "unearthing the plot," that helped authorities arrest suspects in Britain."

I sure hope they didn't make him feel uncomfortable in any way.

Lando

17 posted on 08/10/2006 2:13:21 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln (For what cause would a liberal go to war? (Revolutions don't count))
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To: TET1968
Just heard on the local radio....An Air Canada flight, diverted because of a suspicious liquid.
18 posted on 08/10/2006 2:14:23 PM PDT by fanfan (The MSM has no clothes.)
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To: John Lenin

mark


19 posted on 08/10/2006 2:15:11 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower Traffic Keep Right)
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To: John Lenin

Great bit of information. Thanks for posting it. BTTT


20 posted on 08/10/2006 2:17:35 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: John Lenin

Well done. Thank you for all of this.


21 posted on 08/10/2006 2:24:46 PM PDT by PghBaldy (CNN on Castro - Intestinal Crisis 2006: A People Mourn.)
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To: anyone

Lorenzo Vidino mentioned "Mother of Satan" - is that PETN?


22 posted on 08/10/2006 2:26:28 PM PDT by PghBaldy (CNN on Castro - Intestinal Crisis 2006: A People Mourn.)
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To: John Lenin

Ah, yes, 'Mother of Satan', the stuff with which the kid blew himself up with outside the OU football game last fall.


23 posted on 08/10/2006 2:27:44 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: John Lenin

Evan Kohlmann should give up the wig.


24 posted on 08/10/2006 2:32:17 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: PghBaldy

Ah - its TATP. I have too many things loose in my brain. I hope the American people remember this when time comes for hearings on Bush's "nefarious Zionist anti-civil rights plots" /half mocking DNC...


25 posted on 08/10/2006 2:33:25 PM PDT by PghBaldy (CNN on Castro - Intestinal Crisis 2006: A People Mourn.)
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To: GSlob

What? and wake the sleeping Mexicans?


26 posted on 08/10/2006 2:33:34 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: John Lenin

Excellent work, sir.


27 posted on 08/10/2006 2:41:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
"What? and wake the sleeping Mexicans?"
A sonicator of proper size and power would be loud enough to drive everyone within couple hundred yards crazy. One would need to construct a soundproof, blast proof chamber with spring-loaded ceiling and sonicate the luggage there. All the technologies already exist.
28 posted on 08/10/2006 2:44:44 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: John Lenin

Good roundup. What is the Democratic reaction to all this? The last I heard, there hasn't been much. There was minor DNC functionary who said that Democrats are opposed to the war in Iraq, but tough in the war on terror (This isn't going to fly with ANSWER and their ilk). Democratic mayors have confined themselves to talking about their specific responsibilities.


29 posted on 08/10/2006 2:48:21 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Christopher Lincoln

The RAT reaction is it's just a Karl Rove ploy to take Ned Lamont's victory out of the news. Some of them think it is a Bush/Blair ploy to help their poll numbers. Still others deny that there is even a terrorist threat ...


30 posted on 08/10/2006 2:51:19 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Good post and this site seems to wrap it all up.


31 posted on 08/10/2006 2:52:02 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Grampa Dave

Good site with some top names in terror study.


32 posted on 08/10/2006 3:09:12 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Do us a big favor and put any of their future articles on as threads if they have a lot meat and potatoes like this article and ping us.


33 posted on 08/10/2006 3:14:51 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: kaktuskid
Abu Hamza fanatics are urging fresh suicide attacks on passenger jets, using mini-bombs in pens and disposable cameras. The call is aired on an website run by supporters of the jailed hook-handed cleric.

Er, isn't that how Abu "Cap'n Hook" Hamza got that way?

Misery loves company.

34 posted on 08/10/2006 3:21:03 PM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: Cap Huff; Coop; Straight Vermonter; Miss Marple; AdmSmith
There you go...it was someone who was rolled up.

"(A)n Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago provided a lead that played a role in "unearthing the plot,"

35 posted on 08/10/2006 3:27:25 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Christopher Lincoln

"What is the Democratic reaction to all this?"

Well, that Dem kneepadder Norah O'Donnell was wringing her hands this morning on MSNBC, wondering if all this was perhaps caused by the fact that the Muslim unemployment rate in Britain is 14%!!!

I kid you not. This is what the lamebrain said.


36 posted on 08/10/2006 3:28:09 PM PDT by Palladin (Ad in Hezbollah Herald: Human Shields wanted. Free housing.)
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To: Grampa Dave

See post 35...


37 posted on 08/10/2006 3:28:10 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog

My wife had Fox News on this morning for a few minutes. We have several friends who had planned to fly to London this week and into September.

Fox news this morning said the intel had come from Pakistan which enabled the Brits to prevent these massive mass murders.


38 posted on 08/10/2006 3:36:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Grampa Dave; Straight Vermonter; AdmSmith; Coop; Cap Huff
Fleshing this out even further ...found this in an AP article.

But a senior government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to comment on the matter, said "two or three local people" suspected in the plot were arrested a few days ago in Lahore and Karachi.

39 posted on 08/10/2006 3:40:03 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Grampa Dave

Don't have a ping list, the site is a good bookmark though.


40 posted on 08/10/2006 3:40:11 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: TaxRelief

Let's also thank God for the troops in Afghanistan that caught the guy that gave up important information. I suspect that a lot of intelligence is being gleaned from the Afghanistand and Iraq that is helping to foil these plots.


41 posted on 08/10/2006 3:40:52 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: John Lenin

Ping me to any future threads you post I have a ping list I'll ping for you.


42 posted on 08/10/2006 3:41:05 PM PDT by Dog
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To: John Lenin

bttt


43 posted on 08/10/2006 3:41:46 PM PDT by shield ( A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Dog

Freepmail it.


44 posted on 08/10/2006 3:42:01 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Thanks, I will monitor your threads.


45 posted on 08/10/2006 3:42:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Dog; Cap Huff; Grampa Dave; Straight Vermonter; Miss Marple; AdmSmith

Good find, Dog, and thanks for the ping. I had heard of the Pakistani government's assistance, but not this level of detail. Did they specify if U.S./Afghan forces got the cowardly punk, or Pakistani forces?


46 posted on 08/10/2006 3:53:58 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Bloodhound Dog on the job...:-)


47 posted on 08/10/2006 3:56:13 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog

Just found a BBC article seemed to give the credit to Pakistan.


48 posted on 08/10/2006 4:05:58 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: John Lenin

We have all the justification we need to nuke Iran back to the 3rd century. Already had it IMHO. It's way past time to start cutting CO2 emissions in that part of the world. Suck that, algorejr, idiot.


49 posted on 08/10/2006 4:15:30 PM PDT by Waco
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To: John Lenin
Rashid Rauf, Mohammed al-Ghandra, and Ahmed al Khan

Ah-hah! Just as I suspected! Obviously blonde Icelanders! Thank God we don't waste our time profiling.

50 posted on 08/10/2006 4:15:59 PM PDT by Fairview
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