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Winches: Are They Necessary?
International Aid and Trade ^ | August 10th, 2006 | Mick Farmer.

Posted on 08/11/2006 1:59:35 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

By Mick Farmer. A while ago I wrote an article on winches and asked the question as to their viability. In the article, I discussed that unless you were a complete 4wd nutter like myself or working / living in an environment where you are likely to get stuck on a near daily basis then -- pretty much a waste of money. One piece of equipment that is, in my opinion, invaluable is the high-lift jack. There are various makes including "hi-lift", "jack-all", and "black rat" but they all do much the same thing; only some have a higher safe working load than others. This is important to take into consideration if you are driving a heavy 100 series Landcruiser. The good thing about the jack is, not just it's capability of lifting the vehicle high off the ground, but also to be used as a winch, splitting logs and clamping together timber or other material.

In other words, you can use it for more than one task and this can save valuable loading space in your vehicle when planning to go on a long safari. Useful, but dangerous if operated incorrectly! I have heard horror stories of eyes, teeth and digits being lost and operators knocked unconscious because of a "misunderstanding" of how much force is on the jack handle as it is being released. Hi-Lift have their user manual available online.

Safety is the key (as with all recovery equipment). When lifting your vehicle off the ground, you are making it unstable, so generally the jack should only be used in this configuration for recovery when stuck in ruts or soft ground where you need to put some material under the wheels to clear the diff casing / leave springs. Also, unless you have approved jacking points on the vehicle that can accept the jack safely, then it should not be used to change a flat tyre.

For instance, you can buy an adaptor to fit the jack so that it goes into the jacking point on a Land Rover. With other models such as Toyotas you may be looking at having a new bumper / bull bar fitted that has the jacking points incorporated. An example of this would be the TJM bars. These have a T section cut in them that are designed to take a high lift. Don't rely solely on a bit of angle iron welded to the chassis (as they do here). This might be good enough to help lift the vehicle but it does not make it stable enough to change a wheel. When using the jack on soft ground it is advisable to use a base to spread the weight.

You can buy the neoprene ones or you can go and get yourself a good chunk of hardwood from Ndeeba (less expensive, can be used for other things and takes more abuse). If you are a first time user then I would suggest that you learn how to use it correctly before you get stuck. Do some dry runs to familiarise yourself with how it works in a safe environment. This will enable you to get a feel of the tension on the handle as the jack is being released. You could also enrol in a course on how to use it. There is one place in Uganda but the name escapes me for now ...

For use as a hand winch, you will need to buy a few extras to go along with it. You can buy complete kits, which cover all bases and are well worth the investment as the contents can also be used for other things as well. Depending on what size jack you buy, either 4 or 5 foot will depend on the amount of pull you get on the first try. Generally, in my experience, two 3 ft pulls backwards will generally get you out. Again, read the manual (preferably take a course), do some dry runs with the equipment first and don't forget to use the gloves supplied in the kit. Think safety first!

Drive to survive.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: outdoors; safety; trucks; vehicles; winches
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I couldn't help but post this article.

He uses the phrase " 4wd nutter like myself" and "hi-lift", "jack-all" and many many more.

And to top it all off, the article is actually somewhat informative. Enjoy.

1 posted on 08/11/2006 1:59:35 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Winch with Mahoney & Snerd:


2 posted on 08/11/2006 2:09:01 AM PDT by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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Thanks pookie!


3 posted on 08/11/2006 2:10:45 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
When I used to bid on military surplus decades ago, the most common typo was "Wench" for "winch."

As in "barge comes equipped with a heavy-duty deck wench..."

No, I don't think it was accidental, most of the time.

4 posted on 08/11/2006 2:15:44 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You just have to see this!
5 posted on 08/11/2006 2:15:45 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am a big fan of urban sprawl but I wish there were more sidewalks)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You're welcome, E_R_F! Wasn't sure how to classify that winch...


6 posted on 08/11/2006 2:15:50 AM PDT by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I used to work in ad production for a newspaper. Truck Dealership submitted an ad description for:

1 Ton Truck with Wench.


7 posted on 08/11/2006 2:16:40 AM PDT by D-fendr
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I used to work in ad production for a newspaper. Truck Dealership submitted an ad description for: 1 Ton Truck with Wench.

Funny, I used to work on the singles section of a newspaper and once got an add submitted that said: 1 ton wench with a truck.

8 posted on 08/11/2006 2:25:40 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: SamAdams76

LOL! The classic "Aw, ****" moment!


9 posted on 08/11/2006 2:42:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

ROFL!

Hope it was a Two Ton Truck..


10 posted on 08/11/2006 2:47:14 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: SamAdams76

Lol... whatta buncha idiots!


11 posted on 08/11/2006 2:50:50 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I used the winch on my fine tone Polaris Sportsman 500 ATV twice this summer to pull myself out of tight spots I managed to get wedged into. The damned ATV weighs too much to lift it up and out.


12 posted on 08/11/2006 2:55:48 AM PDT by RushLake (I neutered my dog; now he's a liberal.)
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To: RushLake
to pull myself out of tight spots I managed to get wedged into.

Details? Pictures?

13 posted on 08/11/2006 3:05:29 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: LibWhacker

I thought the pulled car was going to reverse into the pulling truck once the tires caught (note the reverse lights).
Not that I've ever seen that happen.


14 posted on 08/11/2006 3:22:40 AM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"unless you were a complete 4wd nutter like myself or working / living in an environment where you are likely to get stuck on a near daily basis"

I have winches on two of my vehicles and think the writer is a moron. If he gets stuck more than a couple of times a year and uses that crappy highlift jack to get himself out, he is a "nutter" and he can't drive worth sh!t. Anyplace my vehicles get stuck, you couldn't get me out with a highlift jack unless you were willing to go up and down like 30 times. I'd like to see him using that jack in 18 inches of wet clay. Use the winch. and these days, you can wind it with 150 feet of Amsteel Blue (synthetic cable) that only weighs about 10 lbs. The typical recovery winch comes with a remote control and costs less than $1k.


15 posted on 08/11/2006 3:41:23 AM PDT by anton
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Here's the "Hi-Lift" tm jack. A most versatile tool residing in the back of my 4x4 F-150.

And like Dirty Harry's .44 magnum, "it will plumb take your head off", if one's middle name is stupid.

16 posted on 08/11/2006 3:44:09 AM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Covenantor

Thanks. I didn't really have that great of an idea exactly what he was talking about. Although I really am not sure I would want to use something like that to get a truck out of mud.


17 posted on 08/11/2006 3:47:28 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Winches: Are They Necessary?

I better go ask my winch ......wife

18 posted on 08/11/2006 3:52:25 AM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

http://www.hi-lift.com/


FYI on its use. Also google Hi-Lift jack to see what serious off-roaders have to say about it. Of course you need chains or wire cable to use it as a manual winch. Note the hook eye at the top of the jack.

Thanks for posting the article.


19 posted on 08/11/2006 3:53:46 AM PDT by Covenantor
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I wonder if those are still made in Bloomfield, IN? Here is flyover country, we used to call them "Bloomfield jacks."

They almost work better as a winch or fence stretcher than they do as a jack. You are definitely correct, anything jacked up to any height above shin high on one of those is like a loaded gun. It's not "when it's gonna fall", it's "what's in gonna land on."


20 posted on 08/11/2006 4:01:20 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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