Posted on 08/11/2006 10:28:49 PM PDT by DannyTN
(TV5) -- While FBI agents pour into Caro another incident breaks out in Gratiot County. At approximately 11:35am August 11th police were called to the Dollar General Store in Ithaca after a" clerk in Ithaca became suspicious after two men came into the store, and became upset when they were turned down while trying to buy several disposal cell phones.
TV5's Mike Terry spoke with the clerk who called police. She said they were two "Middle Eastern" men and said they've been coming into the store weekly and buying disposable cell phones. She said the same thing was happening at the dollar general store in Alma.
You might think the clerk became suspicious because of what was going on in Caro but when we asked the clerk she said she wasn't even aware of what was going on.
The policy at their store is that they can only sell two cell phones, per person, per day. She saw the men put the phones in the trunk of the car and when she thought they were coming back in, she called 9-1-1.
We did talk to Ithaca police while there has been no crime committed-they do want to find these men, and run their names against government watch lists.
If they want lithium for making dope, there are cheaper sources -- they could sell the batteries, and then buy el cheapo "button cells". However, I do NOT believe that the batteries on a low priced "entry level" $20 handset is going to be a lithium battery. They are generally reserved for high end devices. They are costlier, and, they require special charging circuits. If you just rig up a DC source and charge them up, they will likely catch fire. That's likely as in VERY likely. Chargers for lithium ion batteries are very "smart" devices.
Most likely these phones come with nicad or nimh batteries, due to cost considerations. They are cheap, and they work.
I believe that the vermin are going to use these phones as detonators, and power them from a high output source, such as a lead-acid gelcell battery, or, more likely (due to cost, availability, and, lack of need to give them an initial charge), an array of alkaline "D" cells, which would power the phone for days if not weeks in "standby" mode (unlike the stock battery, which is only going to operate for a day or so at most).
I think there is something really ugly going on, and I think the arrests so far are only the tip of the iceberg. This is simple statistics -- the criminals apprehended are almost always a small fraction of the actual number "in the wild" (i.e., dope smugglers, dealers, burglars, muggers, etc.)
If I had to make a guess, I'd be extra-puckered on Aug. 22nd (the Iranian threat-date), Sept. 11th (the 5th anniversary of the 911 attacks), Thanksgiving (biggest shopping day of the year), or Christmas (biggest "infidel holiday").
Or, they could just pop us on some random day, when we're not expecting anything.
I mused in another thread that the bastards they caught in Caro Michigan were found with receipts from Wisconsin as well as Michigan -- but NOT from IL or IN. Curious, isn't it, since, IF they drove to Wisconsin, they'd pass through those two states on the way there from Michigan. Hard to think they'd drive through two entire states and NOT buy ANY phones, waiting until they got to WI. (Hard to belive, because among other things, people are reporting that it's getting nearly impossible to find the phones, because as soon as they hit the shelves, they are bought out by "Middle Eastern Men" -- EVERYWHERE. So, it's a stretch to accept that they'd drive through two whole states without hitting up every possible source along the way. They were obviously on a sweep mission, snarfing up everything in sight. To drive through two states and buy nothing... this does not compute.)
So, I mused that they likely drove pretty much straight west across Michigan, to Ludington, and then took the Car Ferry to either Milwaukee or Manitowoc. That gets them to Wisconsin, without passing through Illinois or Indiana.
It also takes them through Ludington -- site of the world's biggest earthen dam, the "Pumped Storage Facility). For details, peruse my recent posting history -- I forget the name of the thread, there've been so many today. But, you'll see it.
In short, if they blow the dam (the "dam" is really a HIGH pile of dirt around a BIG artificial lake), they will wreak havoc with "the grid", since it supplies a nontrivial amount of electricity during peak demand times, but they will also flood a LOT of land.
Since I posted that, I remembered that not too far from the Pumped Storage Facility stands a VERY tall antenna tower. I think it's about five or ten years old, and it must be at least 500 feet tall if not taller. It's a girder type tower, freestanding (IIRC). The biggest I've ever seen.
It's used for the State Police and other emergency services.
It would almost certainly be knocked out if the dam was blown.
From what I know of UHF radio propagation, an antenna at the top of a tower that tall would have a coverage range of at least a hundred miles.
There's a GMRS repeater in Ohio at a tower that's not that tall, which people have reported hitting from as far as Ann Arbor MI, which must be close to 200 miles or so. GMRS is restricted by law to 50 Watt output. State Police radios are NOT! So, that tower (near Ludington) must be supporting emergency services for a BIG part of the state.
I am hoping that they have put "the facility" under high scrutiny. But even if they do manage to protect it, we are an open country, and there are millions of other targets. We are very vulnerable to a dedicated foe who wants to "fifth column" us. We are whistling past the graveyard if we think that the reason we haven't been hit yet is because we can't be hit.
And from the spate of recent reports, coming in from all over the country, it appears that we ARE gonna get hit -- and soon.
Frankly this gives me the creeps.
While it's not especially good to go into details, anything that picks up a signal and triggers a response is potentially a detonator. Cell phones use satellites to convey signals so they are particularly desired for their range. This is known stuff for people who pursue it and won't get anyone further than they already are, so I can feel free in sharing it.
Don't feel ignorant. The fact that you don't pursue it is pretty darn comforting. : )
More laws that will not be enforced is not the problem. Enforcing the laws that are already on the books is the problem.
* Dollar General Clerk Says Suspects May Be Armed
* Customer Witness Asks Men Use Of Phones
* Caro Police Chief Says "Never Seen Anything Like This"
* Caro Community Shocked After Possible Terrorist Connection
* MSP Bomb Squad Says All Signs Point To Detonation
* Wal-Mart Clerk Alerts Police After Suspicious Purchases
* Two Men Try To Buy Multiple Cell Phones In Ithaca
* Three Men Now Facing Terrorism Charges
If anyone has seen them, please post any salient info from them, thanks.
Drop a Daisycutter 10 clicks from Mecca, Muslims must police their own religion or the next one is taking out their sacred rock.
Hopefully there will be a way to block cellphone signals available at high risk target areas. Because of these Islamofascists it probably means no more cellphone talking on the fly, it will now become a priviledge of those having security screening.
I expect there will be a lot of cellphone interruptions nationwide in the next week or two, NYC just had one I think, frankly I would love to see no more phone yackers driving anyway.
Surely you jest?
They're crazy, though. Remember, after the first WTC attack, the fools who placed the bomb-truck in the parking garage got caught because they went nuts in the rental store, demanding a refund on the deposit for the truck they rented and blew up.
If they were planning something really amazing I would think the planning would be more thoughtful than, at the last second you send Ali out to but 1000 cell phones at one time like the situation at the Wal-Mart.To plan it and then that happens. Seems really silly to get busted by buying large amounts of cell phones when you could simply buy a few at a time over a few weeks and then do it.
You'd think that after doing what they did, they'd lay low, and avoid drawing attention to themselves. But, jihadis are not rational people. They do crazy things, and this nationwise phone-buying spree seems fully consistent with the level of insanity displayed by the jihadi who demanded his refund.
Were I wishing to synchronize a group of bombs, I'd use an alarm watch. Cell phone coverage is iffy, to something buried in an earthen or metal structure.
Your run of the mill cell phone network uses towers not satellites.
Businesses would go ballistic if something like that was imposed.
Muslim terrorists will get around a registration process sooner or later. In the UK, cops can arrest on suspicion when the nation's safety/public safety is at risk. They don't need a warrant. Time to adopt that here. Two women among those arrested in the UK, one worked at Heathrow with an all access pass.
They profile in the UK, but Melanie Phillips, who wrote Londonistan, was on Rush yesterday, and said the UK has given in to Muslims time and time again. Weaseling, apologizing, worrying that they'll be considered bigoted if they say Islam is a killer cult. She worries that this is going on here, too. Saw on Drudge yesterday, The Sun newspaper, that the sister of one of the arrested UK Muslims says he visited Galloway many times, that they're great pals Galloway denies this of course. I wonder how Galloway would have felt if the plane plot had worked and several thousand people had died. They should strip Galloway of his govt. position and throw him in jail.
I really think we have several dozen of theses terrorist floating around the US right now each has most likely a score of these tracphones as remote detonators for whereever they plan remote bombs. I think that it may be a smart move to have large portable cellphone jammers near areas of a prime target environment for the next week or two.
Since there are ways to illegaly make your own on the web I would not be surprised to hear that ordinary citizens will make their own , I know that if I could I would. All these millions of cellphones are now a weapon being used against us, we really need to cut off this snakes head.
Well, if you really wanna go there, no, there's no "Second Amendment" for speech-oriented stuff such as communication devices. They don't need it -- they've already got the first amendment. And, "track 'em" is the standard suggestion for Second Amendment devices.
You replace every occurance of "phone" with "gun" in that paragraph, and you got a classic liberal sound bite if ever one existed. Thing is, though, there isn't a Second Ammendment for cell phones, though, is there? I say track 'em.
This is a very, very bad situation, and I don't see a good ending for it. At the very least, I think we're going to see a serious restriction on the First Amendment for law abiding citizens.
And if you don't think "anonymous speech" is worthy of consideration, then perhaps you should take it up with folks like "Publius" and "The Federal Farmer."
Naw, much easier to raid a bunch of "telemarketers", and commandeer their pest-o-mat machines via "civil forfeiture."
LOL!
Well, I hate to break it to you, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do, and the problem isn't cellphones, any more than the problem with "crimes of violence" is the availability of (*gasp*) guns!
Most normal cell phone owners already provide all these particulars and get credit checks b4 they are provided cell phones.
In fact the disposables were a relatively new concept.
We wouldn't be "reducing any freedoms" by doing that, since such "freedoms" don't even exist for most cell phone owners
If they don't have cellphones, they'll use FRS or GMRS or MURS or Ham radios. If they don't have radios, they'll use two dollar wristwatches.
The point about the phones is that the purchases make the perps stick out like sore thumbs. Take away the phones, and then they'll buy other "devices" for use as triggers.
You gonna demand a birth certificate, drivers license, and current passport for someone who wants to buy a $2 wristwatch? You want to track people buying wristwatches? LOL!
Why is it that the first "solution" everyone jumps to is to restrict the availabilty of "things"?
"Things" don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people.
Possibly a twofer. Take the batteries out for chemicals, in the meantime hook the phones up to longer lived batteries for use in bombs.
Yeah, but what carrier handles the traffic from Tracfones in Queens?
I suspect this is why NYC had a cell phone outage. I think Homeland Security may have pulled the plug while they figured out if a threat was imminent to NYC.According to news reports, the Queens cell phone outage was caused by a water leak in a Queens Verizon switching station for Nextel cell phone service. It only affected Sprint Nextel subscribers on the old Nextel network in and around Queens (not all of NYC). I doubt Homeland Security had anything to do with the outage.
I'm still not convinced that the "water" is more than a cover story. If Sprint is carrying Tracfone traffic in that area, then a "yank the plug" maneuver would not be unimaginable. Not in a country that grounded ALL air traffic post haste on 9/11/01 when it was deemed prudent.
Any cell phone can be deactivated "from the network", i.e., if it's reported stolen, etc.
Once the network is told not to recognize the phone, then it's just dead weight. All they need is to know which phone(s) to deactivate. In a genuine national security scenario, I would not doubt that they'd pull the plug on ALL of the prepaids, and let the honest folk settle it out later on.
Wrong. Time for Americans to dial in a new mindset. This stuff is going to keep getting worse until we take responsibilty and throw political correctness out the window. We are fighting a war I thought. In World War 2 they interned the Japanese. No problems. We cannot have people running around our country assembling bombs to use against us. We must get serious or we will be killedby our inaction. Begin the sweeps and roundups now.
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