Posted on 08/12/2006 5:59:58 AM PDT by Man50D
About the Petition: It contains more than 55,000 pages … It is so complex that even those who wrote it don’t fully understand it. The “it” is the federal tax code, and more and more Americans are demanding that the time has come to abolish the IRS in favor of a “Fair Tax” system.
Bravo!
Or both???
They assumed salaries would drop to the level of current take-home pay in making those predictions.
They also assumed that government costs wouldn't go up when they had to start paying the FairTax of 30% on all salaries and purchases.
They also assumed that a 30% sales tax wouldn't have any negative effects on taxable consumption, reducing the base.
They also were paid to come to their conclusions.
It is YOU who are the fraud!!! And a routine liar as well.
And who can forget, IRS agents and employees testifying before congress with masks on their faces like paid killers. Testifying about the treatment of taxpayers.
I'm old enough and wise enough to know that 99% of the people in America do not like the IRS. Rob does, and claims that he has no fork in the pie. Perhaps he doesn't but, if that is true, that makes him very, very at odds with polite society.
Sorry, used items are items that have been taxed under the legislation.
Not with a tax amount paid by the entitlement recipient.
I can guarantee you buy anything "used" from me I will recover as much as I can of my tax payment from you. In short the market makes sure the consumer pays. Always. Paid once is paid always by who ever consumes.
That which you pay for anything, is what the market determines as market price, and always includes the negotiation of value to satisfy both sides.
The same dishonest dodge.
The only one dodging around here has been you.
Ever hear of customs inspections on entry?
Ever hear of dodging the question?
Sounds like a bureaucratic paperwork nightmare. How will NRST sales tax enforcers determine the value of the items purchased? Or if they were used? Or even if they originated across the border?
Obviously you have never gone through a customs check at the border. Guaranteed you had best be prepared to back up your claims when a 23% tax on all consumption is at stake.
Will they search and inventory all chattel items of persons leaving and re-entering the country
What do they care about what's leaving that's up to you just register an inventory with customs on leaving, getting it back in again without the tax being levied at maket value with lack of reciepts or inventory is your problem to resolve, I'm not worried about such.
As far as a search entering the county, fine by me we need more, not less, border security. As far as the tax is concerned just have your reciepts on your purchases and be prepared to substantiate them if they don't reflect known market values of goods entering the U.S. payment collected on entry.
or visiting an Indian reservation?
As a "federal" tax purchases on indian reservations will be taxed at the source under federal surpervison or provided for at customs checkpoints crossing the border the same as is done for foriegn trade today. You're to used to thinking "state" and local taxes which are a whole different ballgame with the federal Constitution controlling the activity.
Article I Section. 8. The Congress shall have PowerTo lay and collect Taxes, ... ; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
There you go. Don't answer. Call my statements ad hominem and beg off.
Are you seriously denying that the IRS has the power to destroy someone if they set their sights on them, whether with deliberate intent or in error?
They threatened, then took action against me that would have destroyed me (if not for another slow acting government agency, they would have succeeded). If they had moved a day or two sooner, I'd have been financially devastated.
My 'crime'? They couldn't find a $500 payment that I had made two years earlier and had provided proof of several times during that period. They didn't care. They just wanted to win. They misapplied the payment, but I was going to be made to pay.
Damn them and damn anyone else who wants their existence to continue.
Clearly, the FairTax is not a regressive tax. Also read post #499 which puts the lie to you mistaken claim.
I know that and certainly Rob knows that as well. He and 4 or 5 others here either have or perceive some vested interest in keeping the Marxists income tax and that blinds them completely to anything that doesn't fit their perceptions.
The ONLY reason to continue engaging them is that they really are the best players on our team whether or not they realize the fact.
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AHA! So your assumption is that every sales tax is regressive!
OK, one more time... what characteristic makes a tax regressive?
For the [INCOME] tax, if the % of tax to INCOME taken decreases as [INCOME] increases then it is regressive - like the payroll tax.
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Dude, I simply cannot help you any further. You just explained a PROGRESSIVE TAX and called it regressive.
I'll leave you with this and I done on this issue.
REGRESSIVE TAX: A tax that takes a larger percentage of the income of low-income people than of high-income people.
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But under the nrst, as spending increases, the % of tax taken increases. This is not regressive.
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Well. D'Oh! But if two families buy the same number of items in a period of a year and one family makes more than the other then the one family who makes less pays more taxes FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF GOODS!
The Fair Tax is a REGRESSIVE TAX system. Period!
Good day.
Frankly, you and your cohorts are the best advertisement going for why the NRST should be tossed since the "national socialists" got democratically elected in 1938 Germany.
They create the lists. 'They' tax me for buying juice, but not milk at the same prices.
Our own government should not be taxing its own citizens.
Only tax illegals and visitors!
Loans, according to the Bible, aren't supposed to be at interest.
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You merely illustrate you do not know what a regressive tax actually is and you completely ignore the effect of the prebate which actually makes the FairTax fairly rather progressive.
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The rebate is a scam! The government gives a rebate on necessary goods at the poverty line level. I do not need a Marxist system governing my groceries.
And...
I have explained it to YOU over and over and over. I hardly think explaining it to you yet again will sink into your head.
A regressive tax is a very simple concept and doesn't need to be explained this many times as it has been explained to you repeatedly.
The Fair Tax is a REGRESSIVE tax system where a regressive tax is: A tax that takes a larger percentage of the income of low-income people than of high-income people.
For example with the Fair Tax: If an item cost $5000 the Fair Tax (23%) will take a larger percent of a $25,000 income than a $100,000 income.
You really shouldn't be discussing an issue where simple concepts escape you.
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Bravo!
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For the first time in my life, today, I realized that there are moonbats on both sides of the fence. The TaxBats are a piece of work! None understand the simple concept of a regressive tax yet they want to reform the tax system.... SCARY!
My question: if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it accuse Rob of having a vested interest?
What information would that be?
The only "twisting" going on around here is by those few on your side of the argument as I see it.
Frankly, you and your cohorts are the best advertisement going for why the NRST should be tossed since the "national socialists" got democratically elected in 1938 Germany.
That is undoubtedly your opinion. Unfortunately for you it is shared by only a very few on this board.
"Just fill out the forms honestly and you have nothing to worry about."
That is patently false. You may just be wrong or you may be deliberately lying, but there is no question that your claim is false.
I did everything right. They screwed up and I fought them for over two years to get it straight. In the meantime, they slapped me with liens and levies just to collect a measly $500 that I had already paid, but they misapplied.
Thought so...
"Though to be fair, we all know this pipe dream (nightmare?) will never come to pass."
If you are so sure of that, why do fight so hard against it? Maybe you aren't as sure of that as you'd like.
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