Posted on 08/12/2006 5:59:58 AM PDT by Man50D
About the Petition: It contains more than 55,000 pages … It is so complex that even those who wrote it don’t fully understand it. The “it” is the federal tax code, and more and more Americans are demanding that the time has come to abolish the IRS in favor of a “Fair Tax” system.
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"For example with the Fair Tax: If an item cost $5000 the Fair Tax (23%) will take a larger percent of a $25,000 income than a $100,000 income."
For the family with the $25,000 income there would be an effective tax rate of 1.84% while for the $100,000 family there would be an effective tax rate of 17.71%/
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Good God! One more time to explain the 4th grade math to an adult.
23% (fair tax) x $5000 item = $1,150 tax paid
$1,1150 tax / $25,000 income = 4.6% of income
$1,150 tax / $100,000 income = 1.15% of income
Who pays more of their income to the Fair Tax? The people who MAKE LESS!
Look, I have no idea who you are and don't care but you certainly are not mathetically inclined.
FAIR TAX = SALES TAX
SALES TAX = REGRESSIVE TAX
therefore...
REGRESSIVE TAX = FAIR TAX
I'm done here.
You've modified the original paranoid tax protester assertion.
I've only gotten through a few hundred posts so far, but it seems like SOME are missing the distinction between two categories:
1. INCOME tax, taxing your labor
2. A SALES tax, taxing what you buy
As a Christian nation, our founding and continuing ideology of taxation should be guided by general Biblical principles:
1. Help the poor, but they should not be idlers. "If any refuses to work, don't help him" the Apostle Paul said. "Help genuine widows, but not those whose families can care for them."
2. We should help our neighbors, not expecting the Government (other people paying taxes) to pay for us.
3. We should not be greedy, but instead generous.
4. Stations in life, rich or poor are all equal vocations and value in God's sight. "If you have food and clothing, be content with these." --Jesus. Rich cannot look down on the poor and view them as burdens to society somehow. The poor must not envy the rich.
5. God can give us blessings, but justice would say it should not be at the cost of our fellow humans having to work more or give more, unless they want to do so. Most of us don't want to be taxed as we are, and God is not against our working to promote good causes.
6. We ARE to pay our taxes, and not try to get out of it, poor or rich, the Bible says. God will provide for whatever the rate is, if we trust Him. Jesus even had Peter go catch a fish, in which was their tax money.
7. Work hard, earn income, workers deserve their wages, provide for your families, be content.
8. Realize the here and now is not our priority. Jesus told of the man who built and built, and bought more, so that he could relax and have security, when in fact he didn't realize that night his life would be taken.
9. Work to get corruption out of government. Let our nation be an example and light!
10. Be thankful for what God has given us, praise Him for all He does!
11. Seek God's will and principles in the Bible. Follow our consciences and His voice directing us as to our jobs, spending, giving, etc., as long as it does not contradict His written word.
12. Loan but don't charge interest!
13. Pray! God wants to answer, wants to help, delights when we turn to Him in every detail. Pray for wisdom and knowledge and for our leaders and citizens.
14. Be open and generous to strangers, because God has been open to us. God can protect you if they are evil, and use you if they are good.
15. Accept His will if you pray and He answers differently, or hasn't answered yet, continue to pray, and be patient.
16. Pray for your enemies. Love people, as Christ as loved you.
17. As far as possible, be at peace with all men. Live quiet, peaceful lives. Support our leadership where it is not in blatant anti-Biblical positions.
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The SQL loses the argument, the SQL says I'm not talking to you. Do they have meetings to plan these things?
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Because I choose to no longer debate a nitwit has nothing to do with losing an argument. The fair tax is a regressive tax. It's that simple. I cannot change the truth, nor will I sit here all day playing with retards.
FAIR TAX = SALES TAX
SALES TAX = REGRESSIVE TAX
therefore...
REGRESSIVE TAX = FAIR TAX
Have a nice day.
You'd better go through that so we can all get the picture. Just exactly how does the fair tax tax more than the income tax on interest payments, corporate profits, dividends, net wages spent? Try that one lou.
BTW I ignore snide remarks because I don't want to be common.
Quit spamming the site and you'll see no more replies from me on the subject.
Don't forget, even Social Security and Medicare revenues are appropriated annually out of the general treasury under the Social Security Act:From the authorizing legislation, not the budget process - just as I said. It's non-discretionary spending, just like the FCA would be.
Bad excerpt for the initial post.
I thought it was saying that the petition was 55,000 pages when I first looked at this thread.
I shook my head and didn't bother, chuckling at what I thought was a rather amazing irony from a fair tax group that wanted to "simplify" things!
I only came back b/c I kept seeing the thread pop up in the "recent posts" screen and looked at the original post again, at which point I understood what it was saying.
Except more massive.
Did it ask: "Should Americans recieve a monthly check from the federal government and pay a 30% sales tax on everything they buy at retail?"
I haven't bothered with your regressive obsession because so many other people have corrected you. It does rank right up there as one of the pettiest smokescreens OR the strangest logic any anti has evoked. I'm already having a nice day and you are helping.
"It will get more complex over time. AND it will start out more complex than people want to beleive."
Even if we grant your assumption -- and I have no doubt that there will be plenty of pressure to do just that -- the
FairTax is a 'reset' switch of sorts. If we rid ourselves of the IRS and the Income Tax and it buys us 50 (or even 25) years, then aren't we better off for that period of time?
Haven't we shown future generations that we can throw off the heavy hand of government?
The good that I see is in terms of liberty and devolving power from the Federal government. That's what is most important to me. The tax savings will just be a bonus.
Yup, we all know there is NO ONE in America spending below the poverty level. It's right there in the numbers!
"I want the Govedrnment controlling my grocery list and expenditures! You people almost sound Marxist to me. Why don't we just all get 1 loaf of bread per week!"
Have you ever heard the adage:
'A fool can pass as a wise man if he keeps his mouth shut'?
Take it to heart.
Read the bill, read the FAQs and stop showing your ignorance. Or should I say, your willful lies?
the tax imposed by this section on imported taxable property and services is collected and administered in conjunction with any applicable import dutiesEspecially given that every person would get $400 in yearly de minimis payments. The bill states: "Up to $400 of gross payments per calendar year shall be exempt from the tax imposed by section 101 if ... made to purchase any taxable property or service which is imported into the United States by such person for use or consumption by such person in the United States." How would anyone know if an import coming into the country was below that person's yearly $400 or not?How?
"Or both???"
Most likely, but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
"You being the exception that proves the rule makes the rest of the world "evil" exactly how?"
If you believe that I am the only one that this has ever happened to, then you are clearly delusional. Or a liar.
Beyond hope or intentionally stupid. eyes rolling...
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