Border group's finances a secret (Simcox-Minuteman)

The Washington Times ^ | 8-15-2006 | Jerry Seper

[Anti-Bubba182]

A Texas firm that manages hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps says it has not been authorized to divulge a detailed accounting of the funds, despite assurances by the MCDC's top official that it would do so.

Maureen E. Otis -- president of American Caging Inc. in Stafford, Texas, an agency hired to collect, deposit and disburse donations to the civilian border-patrol group -- told The Washington Times that neither MCDC President Chris Simcox nor the group's board of directors had given her permission to "disclose any numbers."

Mr. Simcox, who has been criticized by current and former MCDC members for a lack of leadership and financial accountability, had referred The Times to Mrs. Otis, saying she could "tell you everything" to clear up the concerns.

Instead, Mrs. Otis issued a statement saying only that all Minuteman donations have been "securely collected, counted and deposited" in MCDC bank accounts.

Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is on paternity leave, were routed to Minuteman spokeswoman Connie Hair in Virginia, who said the organization was not going to release "any unaudited numbers." She said that an audit will be completed in November and that any release of figures prior to that "is just not going to happen......."

[jmc813]

Boobs or eyes? Fess up.

Yeah, they're tatas.

[Registered]

It is illegal to represent that you are a NP when you are not.

So listing and filing a copyright as a non-profit when you are not with the federal government probably has some penalties to it?

[Registered]

Yeah, they're tatas.

Yours or someone elses? ;-)

[Registered]

Maybe you're not one of them

No maybe's. I'm not.

[MikefromOhio]

You guys have never donated to them. Nobody is buying this righteous indignation crap.

So not donating to them means that I want them to fail? Since when it is a requirement to donate to anything in this country? WTF are you on?

[MikefromOhio]

He won't.

He never does.

He comes into a thread, drops a couple stupid comments, and when he's called on them he never shows back up.

I'm pretty sure your asking him to prove what he says will effectively end his participation in this thread.

[MeliJara]

The MMP is NOT Simcox. MMP is Minuteman Project with Jim Gilchrist. MCDC is Minuteman Civil Defense Corps with Chris Simcox. Please make a note of this.

[technochick99]

Anyone who has donated should be looking at the results, not nitpicking the accounting, or the way the donated money was spent.

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen posted at FR by a 'conservative'.

[technochick99]

If the money is in the bank, why don't they simply release a statement of their receipts and the account's balance on hand?

The concern is also about how the spent money has been spent. The debits, not just the credits. This has not been handled well....

[technochick99]

You have a point. I will be paying attention in November.

There's a world of difference between Hijinx's experiences and this situation, IMO.

[technochick99]

They are nearly all folks who suffer from cognitive dissonance when it comes to President Bush who have wanted the Minutemen to fail from the start.

That's crap. I am pro-enforcing the borders, disagree with the President, but don't post often on these threads. Stick to the issues and stop attacking people for their motives. But let's say you are correct - who cares - there are many people watching these threads to see what happens - neutral people, people who DO care, people who WOULD donate.

The Minutemen (and their supporters here) cannot expect a pass because they're on the same side.

What many of these posters have done is follow the very complex/convoluted situation, and found things that seem unorthodox. I commend them, and condemn posters who attack them for their questions, STILL unanswered.

[technochick99]

You guys have never donated to them.

And you would know that how? I have donated, back in the beginning. And I donated to Gilchrist's campaign too. Not a lot, but that's not the point.

[technochick99]

As we know from experience, the non profit application process takes at most about six months from application submittal to decision. Are they telling us they are just now getting around to starting the process? The wording they use sounds like they are still in the process of filling out the application...which takes about an hour.

Well, it can get dragged out much longer that. Heck - I've seen it happen to dog rescues! An hour... well, if they started the application after they were around for a year, they need to give detailed financial information for the time they were in existance, as well as what they did to meet their goals.

[Nick Danger]

who have wanted the Minutemen to fail from the start.

But who are "the Minutemen?" There's the Gilchrist group at minutemanproject.com (founded Oct., 2004), the Alan Keyes/Simcox group at minutemanhq.com (founded 2005), and a bunch of other smaller groups all around the country. Apparently, no one owns the name.

Most of the crabbing here is about the Keyes/Simcox group, whose claim to fame is building a border fence. They've raised tons of money, but there's no fence. What there is, is a PR offensive calling anyone who asks, "Where's the fence?" a bunch of names. Meanwhile, they won't tell anyone what happened to the money. The groups patrolling the border say they aren't seeing it. The only "fence" Simcox has built is 2.2 miles of livestock fencing for a rancher. That fence cost less than $10K. Where's the rest of the million?

If you go to their web site, they tell you "The Minuteman Border Fence is already making a difference." The Hell it is... there is no Minuteman Border Fence. Here is what there is... a frigging livestock fence. It's five strands of barbed wire strung across 14-foot poles. The poles made a great press release ("Gaza-style 14-foot fence!") but it was a sham. Now we find out the fence doesn't even stop cows.

Calling BS on this is not the same thing as attacking "the Minutemen." There are multiple "Minuteman" organizations. Only one of them took donations to build a fence, and now can't explain where a million dollars went. The only thing we know for sure is that they haven't spent it on a fence.

[catholicfreeper]

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[catholicfreeper]

here is the link That didn t come out right
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/conspiracy-complicity.htm

[nopardons]

Simcox has already had TWO EXTENSIONS. This info should have all been completed and released months ago.

[nopardons]

After TWO EXTENSIONS! That is NOT really "on time". And guess what.................two extensions is the limit.

[nopardons]

No, that would be the WASHINGTON POST; dear. The Washington TIMES has a LOT of credibility and it IS a CONSERVATIVE newspaper.

Do you EVER manage to get anything correct? It doesn't appear so.

[nopardons]

bttt