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Feuding Minutemen only united on border woes (Simcox Minutemen)
Reuters ^ | Aug 16, 2006 | Tim Gaynor

Posted on 08/17/2006 1:18:46 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

PHOENIX (Reuters) - More than a year after their first stakeouts on the U.S.-Mexico border, Minuteman civilian patrol volunteers are divided and questions are being raised about whether their movement's influence is on the wane.

The Minutemen leaped into the media spotlight in April 2005 when its force of housewives, office workers and veterans camped out in lawn chairs in southern Arizona to spot illegal immigrants crossing from Mexico.

Sixteen months later, the founders of the movement have split acrimoniously, and questions swirl over how a breakaway group spent a reported $1.6 million in donations.

Dubbed vigilantes by President Bush and migrant hunters by Mexico, the activists seek to highlight what they say is the federal government's failure to provide security along the 2,000-mile (3,200-km) border and end illegal immigration.

The founder of the original Minuteman Project, Jim Gilchrist, 57, a retired accountant from California, is no longer speaking to his former ally Chris Simcox, with whom he planned the first patrols in Arizona.

Meanwhile, Simcox, an ex-teacher and newspaper publisher who leads the separate, Arizona-based Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, faces calls from some former members for a full audit of all donations made to his group.

They complained last month that the corps, a private corporation, had not published financial statements setting out how donations intended to buy equipment were spent, although Simcox vigorously denied any impropriety.

"These are just disgruntled individuals who are no longer with our organization who for some personal reason would like to tarnish our image," Simcox, 45, told Reuters in a telephone interview.

"We have hired accountants and auditors ... to handle all the money, and we're in fine shape," he said.

Simcox added that all questions about the use of donations would be settled in November, when the group posts its tax returns with the Internal Revenue Service.

IS MESSAGE WEARING THIN?

The movement has never counted more than a few thousand volunteers, but analysts say it has proved influential in setting a national agenda on border security and immigration enforcement.

Since the patrols began, Bush has sent 6,200 National Guard troops to help secure the border, and Congress has approved funds to recruit thousands more Border Patrol agents.

But in recent weeks, media attention has focused more on the group's woes than on the pro-enforcement message it seeks to push.

In July the Washington Times questioned their financial accounts. Then last week the Arizona Republic newspaper weighed in, publishing details of their feud and declaring that the "honeymoon is over for the Minutemen."

While the two leaders are pushing on with separate activities -- Simcox is building a border wall on private ranchland in Arizona, and Gilchrist plans a stakeout near Laredo, Texas, starting next month -- critics warn that their trusted formula for grabbing headlines may be wearing thin.

"They have been very good at maintaining the media's attention, but I think things are starting to turn for them," said Ray Borane, the mayor of Douglas, Arizona, near where they held their first patrols. "They are running out of tricks in their bag."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; minuteman; mmp; simcox
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To: Jameison; Jezebelle
You two should include those whom you flame, in the header. This IS a FR rule.

And since you both believe this slur to be true, then one can only assume that the both of are addicts.

41 posted on 08/17/2006 2:23:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: catholicfreeper
Board member and Executive Director Al Garza said he has no idea about its finances. When asked how much money his organization has received in contributions, Garza said: "Oh, geez, I don't know. I don't make it my business. I refuse to even ask for the figures.[...]It's not my job.

Um.

Well ...

Um.

Someone needs to educate Mr. Garza on what it means (or should mean) to be a board member and executive director. It damn sure is his job to know where the money comes from and where it goes. If you're not prepared to stand behind the papers you sign, don't take the gig.

Typically, boards of directors have been split into two categories -- buddies of Management or famous names who get a few bucks for doing nothing but lending their names. BS. If you want my name on the letterhead, if you want to call me a director, I'm gonna direct -- and if you lie or withhold information, be prepared to find my boot in your ass.

42 posted on 08/17/2006 2:24:33 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: agere_contra

WRONG! But keep on thinking that. LOL


43 posted on 08/17/2006 2:24:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Thanks. :-)


44 posted on 08/17/2006 2:25:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: PDR
Flip, flop, flip, flop, flip, flop...............

Simcox called the MCDC a non-profit when it isn't and not, when he wants to hide the figures.

45 posted on 08/17/2006 2:27:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Anti-Bubba182
While the two leaders are pushing on with separate activities -- Simcox is building a border wall on private ranchland in Arizona

Fact check please - where's the wall? And no, 2.5 miles of barbed wire cattle fence isn't an "Israeli style border fence" which is how they advertise for donations. A 2.5 mile barbed wire cattle fence also doesn't cost $1.6 million which Simcox himself claims they have raised. Who knows how much they've really taken in.

46 posted on 08/17/2006 2:51:25 PM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Keyes Akbar!)
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To: nopardons

You wouldn't know the truth if it hit ya between the eyes.


47 posted on 08/17/2006 4:52:48 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: nopardons
# 1. There was no flaming. Just a reference to an activity you partake of, often.

# 2. Since you are in a perpetual haze, your sense of judgment about anyone, is not exactly believable, is it?
48 posted on 08/17/2006 4:56:40 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
Boorish little n00b, you are the one for whom facts are fraud and delusion is "fact".

When you finally return from your dazed and benumbed fantasy life, you'll be in for quite a shock. LOL

49 posted on 08/17/2006 5:21:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jameison
Only people who are incapable of debating me/refuting me, make spurious claims about activities that they probably partake in, but which I never have done. Many thanks for proving just what and who you are.

BTW...what you keep posting IS considered to be FLAMING here and against posting rules.

50 posted on 08/17/2006 5:25:48 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
EV-idently, neither Simcox nor anyone whom he's handed financial matters off to, knows how much money has been donated, where it all went, nor whether MCDC is a nonprofit or a for profit entity.

And hiring a lawyer from Pa., to takes over building an "Israeli style fence", yet to be built, is something akin to hiring a plumber to plead one's case to the Supreme Court.

51 posted on 08/17/2006 5:30:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Ted idiotic LaRaza Nazi agent squeals again.
Insane screeching from you does not amount to fact.
While it's been fun tearing apart psychotic moonbat rants, its been way too easy taking you apart.
That all ya got?
52 posted on 08/17/2006 5:36:02 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: nopardons
"Only people who are incapable of debating me/refuting me, make spurious claims about activities that they probably partake in, but which I never have done."

Is that what you call it?
"Debating"?
Funny.
I don't see no debating here.
To debate, you gotta bring up points that make a modicum of sense.
So far, we are yet to hear you say anything that shows there's any brain in your head.
Let me know when you think you want to debate the issues will you?
so far you have been screeching like a sick old hen. :)
53 posted on 08/17/2006 5:39:52 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
You seem bound and determined to get this thread moved to the smokey backroom, so that it gets buried and nobody sees it.

Flame and bait away.......I'm not going to play your games. This information is far too important and I won't allow you to bury it. But many thanks for keeping the thread bumped.

54 posted on 08/17/2006 5:43:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"You seem bound and determined to get this thread moved to the smokey backroom, so that it gets buried and nobody sees it. "

Naaaah.
I am happy to hammer you right here. :)


"This information is far too important and I won't allow you to bury it."


You are right on one thing..
Closing our borders to illegal Mexican invaders, is far too important to leave to the tender mercies of the LaRaza Nazis.
Not gonna happen.
55 posted on 08/17/2006 5:48:42 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
You haven't laid a finger on me; sweetums. ;^)

Simcox hasn't done a single thing to "close" our borders or keep any illegals out. All he's managed to do, is to make the MMs ( which he is NOT a part of ) look bad, by association. And that is something that should not be allowed to stand.

LaRaza has even less to do with open borders, than MCDC/Simcox does. They want to take over land which they have no rights to and form a separate country.

America has FOUR borders, three of which are the ones used by terrorist, as well as many thousands of nonterrorist illegal immigrants, to get into this nation; yet you and your ilk only care about our Southern border.

You couldn't care less if Simcox ever gets anything he has claimed he will do, done. Just as a 2.2 mile long cattle fence is good enough for him, because it's the SYMBOLISM that "counts", you neither care about results nor the flim flam that he is engaged in, just as long as he says what you want to hear. How telling....................

56 posted on 08/17/2006 6:04:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"You haven't laid a finger on me; sweetums. ;^)"

UGGGHH!
Darn right you are madame.
Th very thought makes me want ti through up.
You are going to have to find your ummm...kind at the LaRaza sites I am afraid.
Sorry.
57 posted on 08/17/2006 6:37:02 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
You are the one who LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES LaRaza; not I.

You obviously are deficient in your knowledge of English usage and saying. Pity that.........................

I know that you are an attention whore, but as long as this thread keeps getting bumped, that's okay; I'll play that little game. The more people know that Simcox and the MCDEC are NOT a part of the MM, that's a good thing. :-)

58 posted on 08/17/2006 6:49:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Naaaah.
You are a LaRaza troll.
No problem.
You are not the first one.
We got plenty of them here.
You'll find them on the immigration threads.
They are easy to find.
They rabidly anti-Tom Tancredo, anti-Minutemen, pro The Senate Shamnesty Bill, pro-illegal immigrants, etc etc.
You get the drift.
59 posted on 08/17/2006 6:57:48 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: MikefromOhio
WHERE IS THE FENCE SIMCOX?!?!?!?!?

60 posted on 08/17/2006 6:58:37 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - I BEEEEEEELLLLLLIIEEEEVVVEEEEEEE in the conspiracy of the flying knee....)
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