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Fire rips through Islamic Center near San Diego
ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 8/17/06 | AP

Posted on 08/17/2006 9:48:43 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

EL CAJON

A fire ripped through an Islamic center early Thursday morning, causing $2 million in damages before it was put out, officials said.

The three-alarm fire at the Kurdish Community Islamic Center was reported just after 2 a.m. and burned for more than an hour before firefighters from 15 different crews extinguished it, said Monica Zech, a spokeswoman for the El Cajon Fire Department.

"When they got here, there was heavy smoke coming from the building and then the fire broke through the roof and flames were shooting through the roof," Zech said. "It's pretty much a total loss."

The cause of the fire in this east San Diego suburb was unknown. Investigators were unable to search for clues inside the building because it was unstable, Zech said. Instead, they used fire truck ladders to get an aerial view of the inside of the 800,000-square-foot community center, she said.

Arson investigators from the San Diego County Sheriff's Department, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the FBI were on the scene.

The FBI would become involved if it was determined that the fire was a hate crime, Zech said.

Members of the community center arrived early Thursday for morning prayer, only to find the center in ashes. Zech said the center's owner was out of town.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; churchburning; elcajon; fire; islamiccenter; kurdish; kurds; mosque; rips; sandiego
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To: 1rudeboy

In the right direction


121 posted on 08/17/2006 11:00:52 AM PDT by al baby
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To: NormsRevenge
They're heerrre...


BUMP

122 posted on 08/17/2006 11:03:08 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: liberte
So, if by burning down a building someone reaches the same moral level as a Muslim who has not done anything, then what are you saying about Muslims?

Morally, burning down a building is a crime. Not burning down a building is not a crime, your sophisty notwithstanding.

123 posted on 08/17/2006 11:04:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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sophisty = sophistry


124 posted on 08/17/2006 11:05:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: al baby

Yeah, I bet you were ready with the hot dogs and marshmallows at Waco.


125 posted on 08/17/2006 11:06:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

If it was a mosque that produced what we normally expect from Islam: - beautiful, giving people: generous and warm, who form a valuable part of society - then this looks like ill-informed arson from a non-muslim, or well-informed arson from an radical sect.

If however it was a mosque or madrassa that produced hate-filled human bombs, freeway snipers and SUV Mall-Warriors - then burning it down would be an act of self-defence.

There's no way to tell which it is from the article.


126 posted on 08/17/2006 11:09:01 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

You're killing me! Bwahahahahaha!


127 posted on 08/17/2006 11:10:50 AM PDT by liberte
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To: brownsfan
Maybe your friend needs to examine her membership in the death cult.

I agree. But the way to get her to do that is not to burn down mosques, or to cheer the burning of mosques.

128 posted on 08/17/2006 11:10:50 AM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: The Blitherer
>"I have a Muslim friend. She would put most Christians, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. to shame with her kindness. She is very smart and loves her god with all her heart. Explain to me why we would want Muslims like her to feel unwelcome in the US."

It has to do with their version of their "ten commandments"

Quran-4:89— Take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegades, seize them and kill them wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks.

Sura 9:5 of the “Koranus,” “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”

"Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God." Sura 9:29

"Strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every finger tip." - Sura 8:12

They personally might not fly the airplane into the building, but they house and recruit the ones that do!


Charles Mansons mother loves him, maybe you should take up residence in his cell?

Why dont you go live with the Jivaro headhunter tribes in the Amazon? At least they are honest about what they want to do!

129 posted on 08/17/2006 11:11:20 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl! *-0(:~{>)
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To: agere_contra
That's one of the reasons I'm using mushy language such as "possible" arson, etc.
130 posted on 08/17/2006 11:11:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MineralMan

Yep. I agree. That is why I wondered out loud if it was muslim on muslim crime. Your last line offers motive. Is this not what is going on in Iraq?

There seems to be an international battle within the muslim community for the hearts and minds of muslims. If history repeats, the ones with the most swords and willingness to use them will win.

Islam is sort of a world within a world in any country where the government is not already an islamic theocracy. Although that is true with any subculture, with them it is almost a physical thing - like the world of cats in your neighborhood. They have their own laws and territories.

The mafia is another example of this sort of thing.

You are right though. It is not the american way. It IS however most definitely the ISLAMIC way.


131 posted on 08/17/2006 11:12:20 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: liberte

Why? He and I are making the same distinction you refuse to make.


132 posted on 08/17/2006 11:12:58 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The moral equivalence that was being drawn in the original post was not between the arsonist and the "parishoners", but between people who were cheering the arsonist and someone who beheads an infidel.


133 posted on 08/17/2006 11:13:09 AM PDT by liberte
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To: BigFinn
Spontaneous combustion.

Wrath of God
134 posted on 08/17/2006 11:13:19 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: 1rudeboy
This part had me in stitches:

"If it was a mosque that produced what we normally expect from Islam: - beautiful, giving people: generous and warm, who form a valuable part of society..."
135 posted on 08/17/2006 11:14:18 AM PDT by liberte
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To: liberte

Right, again. Destroying a synagogue is morally equivalent to destroying a mosque.


136 posted on 08/17/2006 11:16:08 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: agere_contra

Where was Butch Rhino at the time?


137 posted on 08/17/2006 11:16:44 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: liberte

So you've never met one. Fair enough. I have. Interestingly enough, he operates a chain of cellular phone stores.


138 posted on 08/17/2006 11:18:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NormsRevenge
The ATF is automatically called in to help investigate fires in places of worship.

haha. How apropos! 

139 posted on 08/17/2006 11:18:10 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: rawcatslyentist
They personally might not fly the airplane into the building, but they house and recruit the ones that do!

Exactly who is this "they" that you are referring to? You were responding to my post about my Muslim friend, so I assume you are including her in your "they". Since I have already described her as a very moderate, loving person, I must assume you simply believe ALL Muslims would approve flying a plane into a building. If this is the case, then you must assume she is the enemy, in which case you are no better than the radical Muslims, who abhor individuality and instead consider all Westerners as the enemy.

She would put you to shame.

140 posted on 08/17/2006 11:20:38 AM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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