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Review of Godless -- (Centers on Evolution)
Powells Review a Day ^ | August 10, 2006 | Jerry Coyne

Posted on 08/17/2006 11:04:51 AM PDT by publius1

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My favorite quote in this: "... if evolution is wrong, why is it the central paradigm of biology..."

All seriousness aside, are there Freepers who understand the evolution/ID stuff well enough to give me--and others--a set of brains on it?

1 posted on 08/17/2006 11:04:54 AM PDT by publius1
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All seriousness aside, are there Freepers who understand the evolution/ID stuff well enough to give me--and others--a set of brains on it?

Not without 'Christians who believe in Creationism are like the Taliban' comments coming out.
2 posted on 08/17/2006 11:09:07 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: publius1

I guess he didn't like the book. lol


3 posted on 08/17/2006 11:09:26 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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What's far more disturbing than Coulter herself ... is the fact that Americans are lapping up her latest prose like a pack of starved cats.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -- William F. Buckley

4 posted on 08/17/2006 11:09:45 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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All seriousness aside, are there Freepers who understand the evolution/ID stuff well enough to give me--and others--a set of brains on it?

Well, the easy answer is the Evolution is the most obvious conclusion to be drawn from observed data as reached by the vast majority of scientists who study this sort of thing.

ID is basically religious dogma restated in scientific terms to lend credibility to that which isn't credible.

That said, I read "Godless" and loved it until the chapter on evolution. Ann has flaws and that is clearly one of them but it doesn't detract from the rest of her work.
5 posted on 08/17/2006 11:09:45 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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I hadn't realized tht Powell's allows for responses. I'm sharing this one because it is so... soo... well, because there is no word for what it is that allows thwe writer to stll be human...

Marianne says:

August 13th, 2006 at 1:56 am
You write beautifully and I'll admit I'm only half way through it, but I simply must point out that it is not true that every one is lapping it up. You must be basing that on her book sales.

Believe me they are bought up by Regnery Books and the likes of Foundations funded by Richard Mellon Scaife. The hard rights equivalent of the lefts George Soros. Then the books are handed out freely to true believers. The title says it all. (though, it's doubtful they would admit buy blocks of book. I'm certain David Brock, the President of Media Matters.org and author of Blinded by the Right, would know. I seem to remember reading in his book that they did that routinely, at least with their own published authors) It's not a conspiracy theroy. It's hard ball politics. Down and dirty. And, it's smart strategy. Their investments in buying up blocks of her books makes her rating on the NY Times Book list go up and that open her up to shows like Good Morning America, Hardball on MSNBC, The Tonight Show, ect. The fact that she's attractive doesn't hurt her there either. Matthews gushed all over her and even allowed her 30 nauseating minutes to spew her venom and insults to hafe the country. You see, the term Liberal, to her, means any one who happens to disagree with her,or the current Administration or any number of other social issues. Let's face it, she's a self-hating feminist. LOL.

So, please, don't be fooled. I don't know anyone who can even stand her for more than two minutes. Even my horny brother who happend to catch her on the tube on day ended up screaming at the top of his lungs at the TV set to "shut the F* up!!) He hates big mouth women who think they know every thing and interupt constantly. Most folks I know can't stand her. Even the ones who don't care about politics. They watch much like one watches a train wreck.

She's in her 40's now and her look are starting to fade...so then what. By then I suppose she'll be rich enough it won't matter. But one thing is certain. The country will be much poorer.

Thanks for your beautifully written review. Very descriptive.

Best,
Marianne
Bonney Lake, WA


6 posted on 08/17/2006 11:12:20 AM PDT by publius1 (Just to be clear: my position is no.)
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Rules are rules ...


7 posted on 08/17/2006 11:13:47 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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I stopped reading after the "scrawny and pallid" remark. If Coulter had been fat and black would the writer have used "squat and dusky"?

I doubt it.


8 posted on 08/17/2006 11:13:53 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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Oh jeeze... you just opened a can of worms.

It is hard to tell who are the more fanatical zealots: the rabid Creationists or the militant Evolutionists.


9 posted on 08/17/2006 11:15:22 AM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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"To Coulter, biologists are folks who, when not playing with test tubes or warping children's minds, encourage people to have sex with dogs. (I am not making this up.) "

To be fair, there has been a lot of sex with monkey threads lately.

10 posted on 08/17/2006 11:17:10 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Sounds like something that would be on Jerry Springer.
Then again, he has like the highest ratings in the mourning.


11 posted on 08/17/2006 11:18:27 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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===> Placemarker <===
12 posted on 08/17/2006 11:18:54 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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"And this means that the hundreds of thousands of Americans who put Coulter at the top of the best-seller lists see evolution as a national menace. "

Not "hundreds of thousands". Don't be ridiculous! It's more like 77% of the population. It's hundreds of millions that don't buy evolution.

13 posted on 08/17/2006 11:18:55 AM PDT by DannyTN
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After all, she is a millionaire, reveling in her status as a celebrity and stalked by ignorazzis.

Oh the height of jealousy.

14 posted on 08/17/2006 11:19:55 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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Who is this chickensh*t Coyne?

Behe is labeled a "third rate" biologist? Why? Because he has elected to challenge the enforced dogma of evolution?

Anyone who has read Behe or heard him speak would come away quite impressed with his intellect. Quite a formidable mind.


15 posted on 08/17/2006 11:23:25 AM PDT by Elpasser
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All seriousness aside, are there Freepers who understand the evolution/ID stuff well enough to give me--and others--a set of brains on it?

All seriousness aside, it's been tried, but the transplant is generally rejected.

16 posted on 08/17/2006 11:23:47 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: publius1

at the risk of engendering controversy (sly grin) here, I am going to state what I think about ID.

ID is ***not*** science. It is not a *scientific* alternative to the Theory of Evolution (tm) because it is not science in the first place.

It is entirely possible that the theory of evolution (which includes Interspecial and Intraspecial evolution. ID'ers usually only have a problem with the former btw) is fundamentally wrong. It would not be the first example of consensus scientific theory that was overthrown by a new theory.

However...

it is BY FAR the most scientific supported theory out there. And it cannot be countered, in the scientific realm, by promoting ID. Because ID is not science.

Famously, when the Soviets shot the first men into space, they declared that this proved god did not exist. That of course is absurd, since the scientific fact that sputnik did not crash into the pearly gates (and the russians get cited for hit and run) is not proof of the nonexistence is god.

Similarly, the facts that the theory of evolution has holes in it (all scientific theories of any breadth whatsoever do) does not mean that ID is a valid counter to evolution.

Heck, ID'ers may be right. But that's kind of irrelevant to the fact that they are not promoting SCIENCE and ID has no place in a science classroom. Nor does politics, but that's another topic :)

ID absolutely has a place in a class on religious philosophy or metaphysics. But not in science

To 'give you a set of brains' on ID as you request, ID basically boils down to

1) evolution is not a complete theory
2) there is this ":irreducible complexity' in organisms that means "god did it"

Evolution boils down to

1) organisms adapt to environment
2) given sufficient time/generations, increasing complexity can result


17 posted on 08/17/2006 11:24:27 AM PDT by dryden
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To: Elpasser

Not really. His IC isn't exactly accurate.


18 posted on 08/17/2006 11:27:42 AM PDT by Dante Alighieri
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To: publius1
This guy deserves a thorough dissection. I've only got time for one part of it, though:

Anyone who is religious should be very careful about saying something like this, because, throughout history, more killings have been done in the name of religion than of anything else.

False. The greatest mass murders in history have been perpetrated by the godless (atheistic communists).

What's going on in the Middle East...

Islamofascists are trying to dominate.

... and what happened in Serbia...

Islamofascists tried to dominate.

... and Northern Ireland?

There! Christians were murdering each other.

What was the Inquisition about...

Purging Moors and their sympathizers from the halls of Spanish government.

... and the Crusades...

Pushing the Muslims out from the land they conquered and subjugated.

... and the slaughter following the partition of India?

Islamofascists tried to dominate.

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There's a common thread throughout his examples that's hard to get a grasp on...

19 posted on 08/17/2006 11:30:53 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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You're joking right? You're justifying the Inquisition and all that?


20 posted on 08/17/2006 11:32:24 AM PDT by Dante Alighieri
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