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Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology [Oh Yeah!]
PhysOrg.com ^ | 18 August 2006 | Staff

Posted on 08/18/2006 7:37:36 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

An Irish company threw down the gauntlet on Friday to the worldwide scientific community to test a technology it has developed that it claims produces free energy.

The company, Steorn (http://www.steorn.net), says its discovery is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy -- a concept that challenges one of the basic rules of physics.

It claims the technology can be used to supply energy for virtually all devices, from mobile phones to cars.

Steorn issued its challenge through an advertisement in the Economist magazine this week quoting Ireland's Nobel prize-winning author George Bernard Shaw who said that "all great truths begin as blasphemies".

Sean McCarthy, Steorn's chief executive officer, said they had issued the challenge for 12 physicists to rigorously test the technology so it can be developed.

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

"The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates it provides a constant stream of clean energy," he told Ireland's RTE radio.

McCarthy said Steorn had not set out to develop the technology, but "it actually fell out of another project we were working on".

One of the basic principles of physics is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change form.

McCarthy said a big obstacle to overcome was the disbelief that what they had developed was even possible.

"For the first six months that we looked at it we literally didn't believe it ourselves. Over the last three years it had been rigorously tested in our own laboratories, in independent laboratories and so on," he said.

"But we have been unable to get significant scientific interest in it. We have had scientists come in, test it and, off the record, they are quite happy to admit that it works.

"But for us to be able to commercialise this and put this into peoples' lives we need credible, academic validation in the public domain and hence the challenge," McCarthy said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crackpot; energy; ireland; perpetualmotion
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To: steve-b

You have a deed to the Brooklyn Bridge too?


61 posted on 08/18/2006 8:24:59 AM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE BLUE PIMPLE IN A SEA OF RED!)
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To: Mark Felton

That's good. Can you build me one that's big enough to power an SUV? At least I don't have to feel guilty any more.


62 posted on 08/18/2006 8:27:37 AM PDT by Bazooka (When Tolerance met Indifference, it was love at first sight.)
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To: steve-b
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

I believe that a device that rotates, breaking magnetic flux lines, is called a generator!! where does the power come from that causes it to travel round? Briggs & Stratton?

63 posted on 08/18/2006 8:28:27 AM PDT by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: PatrickHenry
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy,"

Bravo Sierra! You supply (and expend) kinetic energy via the motion of your "travel" through the magnetic field. Your kinetic energy is simply converted into electrical form. Nothing is "created". (See "Faraday's Law".)

64 posted on 08/18/2006 8:29:07 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: steve-b

Light waves are energy. Sound waves are energy. Heck, everything in our universe is energy vibrating at different speeds. Electrons are buzzing all over the place. There must be some way to tap it without blowing ourselves up. There has to be some way to manipulate it to our advantage. Somebody is bound to figure it out sooner or later.


65 posted on 08/18/2006 8:31:09 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: concerned about politics
Let me get this straight: you built a fan, with no external power source, using permanent magnets, that moves air, and never stops?
66 posted on 08/18/2006 8:31:15 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: tdewey10
Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof alert too.

I'm as much a skeptic about this process as you are but I don't agree with this statement. In bayesian terms, you have a strong prior probability of ~ 1 for a proposition such as "it is impossible to produce energy by starting in a state and then returning to an identical state" (which is what I think the article describes). But that proposition is falsifiable by a single contrary example.

It should be a solidly controlled single example. I'd want to see it replicated several times--that reflects the strength of the prior probability. But I think the statement about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary belief is just a way to stop discussion about subjects the speaker doesnt' want to talk about.

67 posted on 08/18/2006 8:31:16 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: steve-b
Of course, the momentum and energy don't appear out of nowhere -- the planet loses the same amount that the probe gains. The planet is a lot bigger, so the effect on its orbit is miniscule.

We have got to get this information to the liberals quick. This could be the new "global warming", i.e. Man's threat to the entire solar system.

If we can get them really wound up about this (and thus otherwise distracted) we might be able to accomplish something here on this planet.

68 posted on 08/18/2006 8:32:33 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: concerned about politics
No batteries, even?
69 posted on 08/18/2006 8:32:46 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: AFreeBird
What's it going to cost to take a look, considering the potential bennefits if it does?

If not the actual cost to perform the study, then the opportunity cost of not studying something else while you waste time with something implausible.

70 posted on 08/18/2006 8:35:20 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tom Gallagher - the anti-Crist [FL Governor, 2006 primary])
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To: steve-b

Now THAT was funny! Thanks for the laugh, funniest thing I read all day!


71 posted on 08/18/2006 8:36:26 AM PDT by Dad was my hero
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To: PatrickHenry; All

I think this invention is working, based upon the Cohey-Matsuri Hadron Disrupt/Inversion Tunneling.

The theory, backed by FermiLabs and being investigated at Sandia, contends that plasma state strings of quantum-level mu-particles can, under a disruptive electroweak field, generate inverted spin leptons. The leptons generated match the characteristics of leptons predicted by Chui et al (www.phd-dissert-11057a.usydney.univ.au) at the quasi-stable single-field juncture of a black hole, and are held to have traveled across a p-node tunnel to a suitable exit point, in this case, the device in question.

www.cohey-matsuri.mit.edu

cool, huh?


72 posted on 08/18/2006 8:36:37 AM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
I believe that a device that rotates, breaking magnetic flux lines, is called a generator!! where does the power come from that causes it to travel round? Briggs & Stratton?

Repulsion? Magnets can repel each other. They just push each other away. As one magnetic device passes the other, it's repelled forward or backward depending on the original direction it started. Every time the one magnet passes the other it gets a push.

73 posted on 08/18/2006 8:36:39 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: PatrickHenry
One of the basic principles of physics is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change form.

And yet paradoxically, it exists, and therefore must have been created at some point. Clearly the basic principles of physics are deficient, and figuring out how to make something from nothing will be a big step in remedying the deficiency.

74 posted on 08/18/2006 8:39:59 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: DoughtyOne
We are pretty smart. Physicists have developed a set of principles that they operate by.

Frauds are tedious in their repetitiveness. To a physicist, this smells like Nigeria.

75 posted on 08/18/2006 8:41:23 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Physicist
Let me get this straight: you built a fan, with no external power source, using permanent magnets, that moves air, and never stops?

Yes, there was a power source. We had to push it to get it started. I'm not sure how long it would run, though. It was an ugly paper device sitting on my kitchen table. I threw it away. I needed the table for dinner.
It was a kids science project, not a devise designed to save the world, you know.
It was easy to build. Just make sure you use materials like toilet paper or tissues for the blades. If it's too heavy it won't work.

76 posted on 08/18/2006 8:42:50 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: thackney; SampleMan
How can space probes etc. use planets to slingshot to a higher speed

Planets are not standing still. They can be used to pull the probe along.

Also important to mention, there is energy transfer going on here. Every time one of these probes performs this maneuver, the planet loses a (tiny) fraction of its kinetic energy. It's just that the planet has so much energy that even that tiny amount equates to an increase in the probe's speed.

Taken to extremes, if enough probes were accelerated using this method the planet would slow down and collapse into the Sun.

77 posted on 08/18/2006 8:42:52 AM PDT by mwilli20
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To: thackney

Rotation?


78 posted on 08/18/2006 8:44:20 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

Sounds like it could provide some energy. But it isn't creating energy. If it is a strong magnetic field, even from a permanent magnet, as you walk around it, you would induce electrical fields in conductors that could be harvested into useful energy. All you are doing is transforming the mechanical motion as you walk through the magnetic fields into electrical energy in whatever device can collect it.

This basic idea is already on the market. An example would be those flashlights you shake to power up. It certainly is an odd way of doing the same thing.

79 posted on 08/18/2006 8:44:36 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: concerned about politics

Only if the magnets are moving.


80 posted on 08/18/2006 8:46:00 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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