Posted on 08/19/2006 5:33:09 AM PDT by SJackson
YMCA stands for Young Men’s Christian Association. That being the case, why would the athletic group allow an anti-Christian young Muslim girl’s organization to use their facilities for a jihad camp? On the heels of their counterpart Young Muslims brotherhood’s secret camp, the Young Muslims Sisters (YMS) will be holding their own camp, today, August 18th through the 20th, at the most unlikely of places – Port Murray, New Jersey’s YMCA Camp Bernie. While the destination may be different, and the attire might have changed, the speakers at the event will be just as radical. YMS is a subsidiary of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), a Muslim Brotherhood front that has, in the past, been investigated for possible ties to Al-Qaeda. Young Muslims, for many years, has held children’s camps through ICNA. Prior to the September 11th attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the events were referred to as “Jihad Camps.” One of the “Jihad Camps” took place only two weeks before 9/11. Three of the advertised invited speakers for the YMS happen to have been three of the featured speakers at the 9/11 camp. They are: Some of the other YMS invited speakers have expertise in teaching the concept of death to easily influenced young minds. One of them, Br. Nouman Ali Khan, a former MSA representative, gave a February 2005 speech sponsored by the MSA of Hofstra, entitled ‘Preparation for Death.’ Another, Sr. Iman Badawi gave a speech at a June 2003 camp sponsored by the Muslim American Society (MAS) of Minnesota, entitled ‘The Life in the Grave.’ One of her former campers had this to say about her, “…Iman Badawi and her wonderful style of talking about our deen [religion] always made our camps something else. Sitting outside in the night while listening to one of her talks on death is something to remember…” Badawi, like Ali Khan, is also a former MSA representative. In March of 1997, she was one of two coordinators for the MSA East Zone Conference featuring Ali Al-Tamimi, an individual who received a life sentence for urging his followers, after 9/11, to join the Taliban and attack American troops. And lastly, Br. Jawad Ahmad wrote a piece about the afterlife, entitled ‘Do You Want Paradise?’ He began it by stating, “This should be our goal in life, ‘I want to go to Jannah (Paradise).’” Later in the piece, he stated, “So brothers and sisters, be LOVERS of Knowledge, be seekers of Knowledge. ‘Yes, where is my Qur’an, where is my Hadeeth Bukhari.’” It must be noted, in Hadeeth Bukhari, in the section called ‘Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihad),’ it is stated, “The Prophet said, ‘Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause).’” Does Mr. Ahmad or any of his colleagues really want to be teaching something like this to impressionable children? That question is not meant to be answered, for it is brutally obvious that, given the past actions of these individuals, this type of talk is standard fare and perfectly acceptable. No, the real question is why would the YMCA allow an event such as this to take place on its premises, in the first place? This past April, reports surfaced about how the terrorist organization Hamas, due to anti-Christian sentiment, had taken measures to shut down the YMCA branch office located in the West Bank. Recently, the YMCA office was firebombed. One of the reports quotes Deputy Mayor and Hamas member, Hashem al Masri, as stating, “I know it is not civilized to attack it, but it is a challenge to the feeling of our people.” How ironic that one YMCA is being attacked by Islamic militants, while another is opening its arms to them.
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The major problem is that it is impossible to get infiltrators into these camps and madrassas to get first hand knowledge of their teachings. Little girls just don't make very good undercover operatives, more's the pity!
I have to assume that the information we have originates with girls/women who've been through the system. What young woman wants to end up being one of 72 virgins, anyway, without extreme propagandizing?
> No, the real question is why would the YMCA allow an event such as this to take place on its premises, in the first place?
No, the real question is what are the YMS doing wrong at this camp? If they are learning how to make explosives, fine: arrest the lot of them, throw 'em in gaol for a very long time.
Otherwise, where's the harm? Surely Society has not become so xenophobic that Muslim girls can't get together and have fun like other teenagers?
Where is the value in ostracising what is already an odd bunch, increasingly being forced to the fringes? Most Muslims are not terrorists.
Crikey. Take some valium and get a life, folks. Know your enemy: YMS probably ain't it.
Thanks for the ping.
I grew up in the south in the 50s in Catholic schools. What I now consider to be the oral tradition of these very traditional nuns (not the wackos we have now altho these women were weird in their own right) including something which could be considered a martyr's cult. I remember that the coolest picture in the back of my daily missal was the picture of St. Lawrence dying on the gridiron. Being a virgin martyr was the best of course and we were told the graphic details which included being flayed alive and decapitated rather than submit to an arranged marriage with some rich pagan.
I'm not saying that this is all that is going on at these jihad camps but just that the cult of the martyr was certainly alive and well in the Catholic culture in the 50s. I'm still happily Catholic so no bashing please and I don't think that I was too corrupted (is that a chicken?) or mentally diseased from this. hehe.
> You're right, most Muslims are not terrorists. Let's keep it that way.
Amen! and thanks...
> How about if they assimilate instead of separating?
The Muslims I know *do* try to assimilate and try really hard to fit in with the rest of us. It is not unknown for a Muslim to enjoy a bacon double-cheeseburger. Their wives do not necessarily wear burkas. Not all of these folk are radical, hate-spewing bearded bigots: some of them are good neighbors, the sort you'd be proud to know.
It's just the extreme Bad Heads that seem to have hi-jacked their religion for their own evil purposes. Lumping all Muslims into a single group and calling them all "Evil" is about as fair as lumping all Catholics into a group and calling them all "Evil". Sure, there will be one or two who deserve the term. The majority won't.
This world is very rapidly going crazy.
Kind regards
*DieHard*
Their goal is not assimilation, it's isolation, takeover and then 7th century sharia for whoever of the infidel is left.
Look at all the polling data available. It's indicative of their thought process. They do not have a tolerant view of others. On the whole if they don't participate in terrorism, they make excuses for it, rationalize it, defend it or participate.
From their standpoint the only innocent civilian is a muslim. If an infidel dies, it's a non-issue.
Whether you read a quote from them or see them in an interview notice how slyly they will make that distinction. They think they are putting one over on us. They are proud to do it.
For example, O'Reilly had these two burka hoods on. They both agreed it was wrong for innocents to be killed. But based on the discussion, you had to be sharp enough to know the psychology that the only innocents were muslims.
That's why they don't condemn 9-11 and protest in the streets that Islam is being hijacked. That's why you don't see them rally in London against this "hijacking" of Islam.
The UK is just finding this out. They did a poll and enough muzzies answered honestly that a third of them have no issue with bombing the trains.
And that's a PUBLIC poll that was taken. Do you think their sympathy is restrictive to even that many?
You can't be serious.
> Better to kill them before they kill us.
Your viewpoint is every bit as extreme as the Muslim extremists. In fact, I can't see any difference.
Unless you are a buffoon and don't really mean what you say, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not) your viewpoint is very scary indeed.
It's one thing to conduct a thorough and decisive War on Terrorism (which I support) and quite another to advocate killing all Muslims (which I do not support).
And yes, I have read the Koran. And I'd point out that there are parts of the Bible that make pretty chilling reading, too.
If Allah says stone them to death, through the Prophet Muhammad, then you stone them to death, because it's the obedience of Allah and his messenger -- nothing personal.”
Lurker states:
Mr. Taqwa if I blow your head off it won't be anything personal.
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> Islam has never changed to any degree since its pedophile prophet savaged his way into infamy.
I know plenty of Muslims who are not extremists and who deplore what happened on September 11 2001. Some are friends and neighbors of mine and, yes, I would trust them to look after my children.
I don't know for certain, but I strongly suspect that there are more than a few Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces of the United States and Her Allies. If so, I do not doubt or question their Patriotism: you are, of course, free to do so, particularly to their face.
It is just plain silly to postulate that all Muslims are terrorists and therefore should be killed. Go on! Admit that this is an extreme view, a sweeping generalization unworthy of serious debate.
I have absolutely no time and plenty of ammo for Muslim extremists and terrorists of all ilks. But I'll say it again, not all Muslims are terrorists. If they were, it would be a simple matter to pass a law in the US and arresting the whole lot. Your government knows better, and in your heart-of-hearts I believe you do, too.
Militant Islam is a problem that does not lend itself to simplistic and puerile solutions: *that* is what makes it so dangerous.
*DieHard*
Their donation pool may dry up, both locally, as in the cas of this camp, as well as having national implications.
"I know plenty of Muslims who are not extremists and who deplore what happened on September 11 2001."
I'd be more willing to believe that statement having broad application in AMerica except that the Muslim community across America (and around the world) has been almost totally silent about revealing who was a terrorist, who was fund raising for the terrorists, etc.
Actions speak louder than words. In this case, the Muslim community has chosen to conceal the menbers of their community who are violently attacking AMerica and the rest of the non-Muslim world.
According to Bush's "If you support a terrorist, you are a terrorist" these silent Muslims ARE TERRORISTS.
Perhaps you should study the concept of the sin of omission. There really are sins of omission. One does not always have to do anything to sin. Likewise, in the realm of civil law, one's silence or failure to act, may also be a crime.
Muslims, by their silence, are criminals. They know who the terrorists and fund raisers for terrorist organizations are - yet they deliberately chose to remaim silent.
To me, that behavior is unacceptable, immoral, and illegal.
Please remember that a Muslim is allowed by his faith to lie to an unbeliever. That alone makes them incompatible with teh West.
Not to mention, unacceptable to any American.
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