Granted but we are talking absent those things.
And yes there are some groups that absent those things do follow those philosphies.
How do they effect you?
"Granted but we are talking absent those things."
This constitutes a logical fallacy concerning Islam. Subjugation or murder ... why does this sound so familiar in the context of Muslim belief? Could it be that, since the very definition of "Islam" is "submission," and that since the Koran admonishes believers to kill all nonbelievers, in more than just a few instances, that subjugation or murder is the foundation of the religion, as it relates to the world outside of Islam, referred to as "Dar es Harb" or the world of war? What Muslim groups do not follow these "philosophies?" For that matter, what Nazi groups do not?