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Sane Mutiny: The Coming Populist Revolt
TCS ^ | 8/22/6 | Arnold Kling

Posted on 08/22/2006 7:18:24 AM PDT by ZGuy

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1 posted on 08/22/2006 7:18:25 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

This guy has a point, but man, does he go on and on.


2 posted on 08/22/2006 7:20:20 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: ZGuy

The one thing that surprises me is how this story has managed to evade the more American style race mongering, such as "I'm not gonna fly on this plane with a colored person aboard." I mean, some articles did try to spin it this way, but it didn't seem to fly to well with the focus groups.

Now, if the passengers had been Americans I wonder how this story would've been told.


3 posted on 08/22/2006 7:23:30 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: ZGuy
The elites should be absolutely terrified of how popular sentiment in the West (particularly America) is going to turn if these savages ever manage to successfully pull of another big major attack against us.

But as this author correctly notes, the elites live in an alternate reality from most normal folks.

4 posted on 08/22/2006 7:27:41 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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"that the break-up of the plot to blow up airliners shows that "it was police work, surveillance, and patient cultivation of sources that broke the airline bombing ring -- not speeches about a state of war."

Actually, it was the effective hard work of NAto and Pakistani militaries puttting pressure on Waziristan that caused the bad guys to make a mistake and one of them get arreste on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border and yield info about the airline bombing. As there are not even any roads in that territory, it is not an area that lends itself to police work.

As for the conclusion, hopefully most people realize that serious problems cannot be solved in tiny soundbites in a 24 hour news cycle.

5 posted on 08/22/2006 7:30:04 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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Actually, it was pure luck that a Muslim in Britain alerted police to the plot in the first place.

without that, we'd be wondering what happened to those 9 planes that disappeared somewhere over the Atlantic.

We can't keep depending on luck.

6 posted on 08/22/2006 7:39:19 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com/MEMap.html)
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To: ZGuy

The candidate for president next time, either party, who announces these common sense positions will win the White House by acclamation.

Want to bet none of them has the guts to stand up to the elites in the universities and media?

Whomever does it wins.


7 posted on 08/22/2006 7:43:15 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ...
Ping!
8 posted on 08/22/2006 8:08:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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"The world's Muslims share our desire for peace and democracy."

It is not relevant what Muslims want. Most Japanese, Germans, and Italians in WWII probably wanted peace and Democracy too. As long as people are cowed by despots, there will be no peace and democracy.

"Equal-opportunity passenger screening at airports is a better policy than profiling.

Profiling may or may not have stopped 9/11. However, we do know that all the suspects were young Islamic males. And we know that the passengers who fought them to the death on Flight 93 were NOT young Islamic males!

"The United Nations is the world's conscience and policeman."

The United Nations has the conscience of a pimp and the ethics of a wise guy. "Oil for food" and "brothels" are the goals of these vermin.

"The "international community" will deal with Iran's quest for nuclear weapons."

Germany, France, and Italy don't want to go to South Lebanon as it is. They sure as hell don't to go to war against Iran.

"It is possible for the United States to bring about a constructive transformation of Middle East politics, either through diplomatic or military initiatives."

Militarily - yes, diplomatically - NO!

9 posted on 08/22/2006 8:12:09 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: ZGuy

Finally! Common Sense is starting to prevail!


10 posted on 08/22/2006 8:13:46 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: ZGuy

bttt


11 posted on 08/22/2006 8:35:08 AM PDT by kalee
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To: ZGuy
My sense is that popular opinion is likely to gravitate toward one of two positions.

1. The Middle East is a hopeless cauldron of hatred. We should focus on homeland security, stay out of the Middle East, and have as little interaction with the Muslim world as possible; or

2. A major war is inevitable, so that we need to get ready for it. Nothing else will stop Iranian aggression, and nothing else will stifle the funding, sponsoring, and glorification of terrorists.

No. 1, the "head in the sand" policy, was the policy during the Clinton years. Meanwhile, terrorists took over Afghanistan and established numerous training camps turning out tens of thousands of trained jihadis, Pakistan got the nuclear bomb, the Qadeer Khan nuclear proliferation ring got underway, Saddam had his WMD programs back in high gear, jihadi bombers killed hundreds of US employees in embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania (why do liberals only count the US citizens and not the US employees?), etc etc.

A similar "head in the sand" policy was followed during the Carter years with respect to international communism, with disastrous results.

Just because we don't want to interact with muslims doesn't mean muslims don't want to "interact" with us.

12 posted on 08/22/2006 9:01:15 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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Throughout history most Western societies have stuck their heads in the sand and after this doesn't work they have to go with option number 2.


13 posted on 08/22/2006 9:34:14 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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"I am not a pollster, but my sense is that there has been a shift in the popular mood in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Israel as a result of events this summer in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, and London. I suspect that this is one of those eras where the political elites are out of touch with mass opinion" YAH THINK!
14 posted on 08/22/2006 11:23:51 AM PDT by Garvin (John F. Kerry is a Masshole.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

It is amazing how confidently some assert things which are wrong.


15 posted on 08/22/2006 12:24:13 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt
It is amazing how confidently some assert things which are wrong.

Uh huh.

The British say their inquiry began months ago — prompted by a tip from within the British Muslim community after the bloody July 7, 2005, terror bombings of the London transit system, The Washington Post reported.

There were signs preparations stepped up recently. One of the houses raided by British police this week had been bought last month by two men in an all-cash deal, in a neighborhood of $300,000 houses, neighbors reported.

Pakistani officials said British information led to the first arrests in Pakistan about a week ago, of two British nationals, including Rauf, called a "key person" by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry.

Investigators Tracing Terror Plot Money Trail

16 posted on 08/22/2006 2:09:40 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com/MEMap.html)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

And your point is that the New York Times recently made sure we won't be able track the terrorist money trail in the United States, right?


17 posted on 08/22/2006 2:29:19 PM PDT by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: ZGuy; SunkenCiv

I for one am greatly disappointed that we haven't stomped a mudhole in the chest of any terrorist organization or terrorist-supporting government lately. Afghanistan and Iraq showed us that our armed forces are perfectly capable of doing it, and if any group deserved such treatment, it was Hezbollah, which has the blood of some 300 Americans on its hands. Instead, we pressured Israel into accepting a cease-fire that nobody expects will last, because in the Middle East, cease-fire is another word for "reload!" Alas, the latest news from Lebanon, Iran, etc. tells me that nobody in a position of power in our government is serious about winning the War on Terror, including our president. Well, there are times when victory is a better goal than peace.


18 posted on 08/22/2006 2:39:32 PM PDT by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: jpl

If, god forbid, another hit does happen we will hear from the democrat party hacks who will jump in front of the parade to look crocodile patriotic.

This will be a fool me twice moment. At that point, it becomes time to start disbaring the ACLU types and start telling these faux patriots that they are no longer welcome to be in office.


19 posted on 08/22/2006 2:44:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Berosus

Nooooooo. My point was that it was a tip from a british muslim that broke the airline mass-murder plot. Not "effective hard work of NAto and Pakistani militaries puttting pressure on Waziristan that caused the bad guys to make a mistake".


20 posted on 08/22/2006 2:45:35 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com/MEMap.html)
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