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ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler
The Anti-Defamation League ^ | August 22, 2006 | The Anti-Defamation League

Posted on 08/22/2006 2:04:20 PM PDT by js1138

ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler

New York, NY, August 22, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today blasted a television documentary produced by Christian broadcaster Dr. D. James Kennedy's Coral Ridge Ministries that attempts to link Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to Adolf Hitler and the atrocities of the Holocaust. ADL also denounced Coral Ridge Ministries for misleading Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute for the NIH, and wrongfully using him as part of its twisted documentary, "Darwin's Deadly Legacy."

After being contacted by the ADL about his name being used to promote Kennedy's project, Dr. Collins said he is "absolutely appalled by what Coral Ridge Ministries is doing. I had NO knowledge that Coral Ridge Ministries was planning a TV special on Darwin and Hitler, and I find the thesis of Dr. Kennedy's program utterly misguided and inflammatory," he told ADL.

ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement:"This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

"It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of 'Christian Supremacists' who seek to "reclaim America for Christ" and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law."

The documentary is scheduled to air this weekend along with the publication of an accompanying book "Evolution's Fatal Fruit: How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions."

A Coral Ridge Ministries press release promoting the documentary says the program "features 14 scholars, scientists, and authors who outline the grim consequences of Darwin's theory of evolution and show how his theory fueled Hitler's ovens."


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1 posted on 08/22/2006 2:04:22 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

Hitler was a great evolutionist/Darwinist. Survival of the fittest, and he was going to be the fittest.


2 posted on 08/22/2006 2:06:08 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: js1138

Must be Godwin's law for crockumentaries.


3 posted on 08/22/2006 2:08:31 PM PDT by Dracian
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To: Bosco

Evangelical nutcases claiming Darwin is responsible for Hitler.


4 posted on 08/22/2006 2:09:42 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: js1138

Historically, there is simply no question that Darwinism was a powerful influence on Nazi thinking. If Mr. Foxman and the ADL are in denial about this, shame on them.


5 posted on 08/22/2006 2:10:25 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: js1138

Interesting, author William Shirer referred to Mein Kampf as "crude Darwinism" among other things.


6 posted on 08/22/2006 2:11:45 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: staytrue
Evangelical nutcases claiming Darwin is responsible for Hitler.

Any lie is permissible if it saves souls sells books (and DVDs too)!

7 posted on 08/22/2006 2:11:48 PM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: Bosco
>Hitler was a great evolutionist/Darwinist. Survival of the fittest, and he was going to be the fittest

His "thousand year Reich"
sounds like Christ's "millennial
kingdom
." Shall we blame

Christians for giving
Hitler the whole idea
of a perfect realm?

8 posted on 08/22/2006 2:13:34 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: T'wit
Darwinism was a powerful influence on Nazi thinking

totally wrong. if you believe you are the master race, there is no need for war. You let nature take its course and you will win.

any link to nazis is a bastardized interpretation of evolution.

9 posted on 08/22/2006 2:17:26 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: T'wit
there is simply no question that Darwinism was a powerful influence on Nazi thinking.

There is no question that Christianity had a powerful influence on Nazi thinking as well.

10 posted on 08/22/2006 2:19:36 PM PDT by Dracian
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To: staytrue

Darwin influenced/inspired Nietzsche. Nietzsche influenced/inspired Hitler.

Why the antagonism toward God and those who follow Him?


11 posted on 08/22/2006 2:19:44 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: T'wit

"Historically, there is simply no question that Darwinism was a powerful influence on Nazi thinking. If Mr. Foxman and the ADL are in denial about this, shame on them."

This is a story the Darwinists will do everything in their power to attack, but especially the maker of the film. IF you can't deny the historical impact of Darwinian thinking on the NAZI movement, you attack the guy that brings it to light.


12 posted on 08/22/2006 2:20:20 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Dracian
There is no question that Christianity had a powerful influence on Nazi thinking as well

I'll ask you the same question: Why so antagonistic toward God and those who follow Him? Did you have a bad experience with Christianity when you were younger? You really should reconsider the claims of Scripture, my friend.

13 posted on 08/22/2006 2:20:51 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: js1138

The concept of the book is ridiculous. Did Hitler use Darwin's theory? Absolutely! Hitler stole what ever was around that fit his agenda, that does not mean the originators caused Hitler. Saying that Darwin caused the holocaust is like blaming blitzkrieg on Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler and Orville and Wilbur Wright.


14 posted on 08/22/2006 2:21:28 PM PDT by magslinger (If at first you don't succeed, squeeze, squeeze again.)
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To: Dracian

Christianity was not a foundation of Nazi ideology at all. The Nazi's thought Christianity was soft and they despised it's teachings. The Nazi's were a combination of Atheists and Pagans. Germany was well into it's post-Christian phase by the time the Nazi's came to power.


15 posted on 08/22/2006 2:22:09 PM PDT by keithtoo (Israeli defense strategy "Cogito Ergo Boom!")
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To: Bosco; js1138

Hitler believed in selective breeding, not natural selection. They're not the same thing.

And selective breeding was around long before Darwin.


16 posted on 08/22/2006 2:22:43 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: theFIRMbss

Satan is the greatest imitator, isn't he? :)


17 posted on 08/22/2006 2:23:22 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Dracian

"There is no question that Christianity had a powerful influence on Nazi thinking as well."


What are you talking about?


18 posted on 08/22/2006 2:23:47 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Theo
Why the antagonism toward God and those who follow Him?

My antagonism is for the religious nutcases like Jim Jones and his kool aid drinking followers, the nutcases in the vatican who made galileo renounce his now proven to be true theories, the psychos of the spanish inquisition and the nuts who burned "heretics" at the stake

AND THE MORONS WHO ARE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING INCLUDING TO BASH EVOLUTION TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO LINK DARWIN TO HITLER.

19 posted on 08/22/2006 2:23:51 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Excellent point.


20 posted on 08/22/2006 2:23:57 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Dracian
There is no question that Christianity had a powerful influence on Nazi thinking as well.

That's an interesting position, considering Hitler had promised more than once to destroy Christianity before he was done.
21 posted on 08/22/2006 2:24:10 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: magslinger

Well said.


22 posted on 08/22/2006 2:24:33 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: staytrue
My antagonism is for the religious nutcases like Jim Jones and his kool aid drinking followers, the nutcases in the vatican who made galileo renounce his now proven to be true theories, the psychos of the spanish inquisition and the nuts who burned "heretics" at the stake

That was 600 years ago. All the people that perpetrated that crime and its victims are long gone. This is no different than blaming all the white people on FR for slavery.
23 posted on 08/22/2006 2:26:40 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: Dracian

That's a crock and you know it! Hitler tried to wiped out all the christian believers, the bible, and the jews.


24 posted on 08/22/2006 2:26:57 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: js1138
Hitler himself claimed his idea was scientific

I don't know if this video is "over the top" or if the ADL is going nuts again.

Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis....

...and others?? Millions and millions of 'others'.

The ADL trivializes the murders of millions and millions of 'others'.

25 posted on 08/22/2006 2:27:38 PM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: js1138
ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler

What's the deal with slingling around terms like "Christian Supremacist"? Any serious Christian believes his Faith to be the Truth, and that ultimately Christ has dominion over all.

That does not make Christians any more "supremacist" than one who believes that people of his tribe/Creed are the "Chosen People." I have seen no Christians, certainly not that of the evangelical variety, describing Jews as "Hebrew Supremacists" or anything of the sort.
26 posted on 08/22/2006 2:27:55 PM PDT by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Bosco

> Hitler was a great evolutionist/Darwinist.

One of the great lies of the age. Hitler was a *Creationist.* He believed that Man, specifically Aryan man, had been plopped fully formed and perfect onto Earth by Providence.


27 posted on 08/22/2006 2:28:24 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: staytrue
Evangelical nutcases claiming Darwin is responsible for Hitler

um. no.... ADL nutcase claims Evangelical nutcases claiming Darwin is responsible for Hitler

Hitler was applying 'Darwinism' by saying what he was doing was 'scientific' in trying to create a pure Aryan race.

28 posted on 08/22/2006 2:29:20 PM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: staytrue

Ummm I assume you think that Galileo was convicted of Heresy because he said the Earth went around the Sun and not the other way around?


29 posted on 08/22/2006 2:29:39 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Dracian

Yes, they considered Christianity to be a gutter religion and sought to replace it with an Aryran-centric mythical religion


30 posted on 08/22/2006 2:30:23 PM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: js1138
The saintly XIX century triplets Karl, Sigmund and Charles inspired a lot of the XX century utopian ideologies, and their executioners, no question about it, except, evidently, among the members of their fan clubs. "There is nothing wrong with the socialist theory", is a famous quote uttered by several Communist leaders, Fidel among them, "it's the PEOPLE!"


31 posted on 08/22/2006 2:31:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: JamesP81
This is no different than blaming all the white people on FR for slavery.

Or blaming the holocaust on biologists who accept and work with the theory of evolution. That's the point of the "Hitler was a Darwinist" claptrap, isn't it?

32 posted on 08/22/2006 2:31:51 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Neoliberalnot

> IF you can't deny the historical impact of Darwinian thinking on the NAZI movement, you attack the guy that brings it to light.

More accurately: if you can't deny the historical impact of Darwinian evolution on the natural world, you attack the guy that discovered it by fraudulently trying to link a scientific principle with a reprehensible religious/political ideology.


http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/nazis.htm


33 posted on 08/22/2006 2:32:24 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Rodm

The Darwinian roots of the Nazi tree

by Jonathan Sarfati

How could the horrors of the Holocaust occur in the most civilized country in the world? The sheer enormity of the killings required a huge network of people, so how could so many commit such atrocities?

Richard Weikart, professor of modern European history at California State University, Stanislaus, has thoroughly documented the Darwinian roots of many aspects of the Nazi terror in his recent book From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany.1

He showed that Darwinism provided many of the foundations for Nazi principles. For example, Darwinism undermined the uniqueness of humanity, which in turn undermined the sanctity of innocent life. This by itself is a slippery slope—once society starts down this path of regarding any class of humans as not worthy of life, it is hard to stop this extending to other classes, because the door is already unlocked.

Darwinism also undermined a divine foundation for ethics and morality, so moral relativism replaced traditional moral codes. Instead, the notion of evolutionary progress became the highest good (overlooking the contradiction that notions of ‘goodness’ are meaningless when morals become relative). So Christian ideas of compassion for the sick and handicapped were dismissed as weak. They were replaced by notions of the strong dominating the weak, even claiming that it was kind to eliminate the weak.

The notion of evolutionary fitness was not only applied to individuals but groups. Weikart points out that pre-Darwinian racist ideas were usually repulsed by the dominant Christian worldview that all people come from Adam and Eve. But the German Darwinian racists dismissed the darker ‘races’ as being closer to the apes than to the ‘superior’ lighter humans. This had horrifying consequences in the Herero genocide in Africa in the early 1900s.2

The line from Darwin to Hitler was not straightforward, because it was so highly branched. Weikart shows that Darwin’s ideas became enormously popular in educated German circles largely through the writings of Ernst Haeckel, of forged embryo drawing infamy.3 Haeckel in turn strongly influenced Alfred Ploetz, the founder of the German Society for Race Hygiene, the world’s first eugenics organization. This organization included Julius Lehmann as a leading member. He was a racist eugenicist and major publisher of medical and scientific textbooks, and had extensive contact with Hitler from 1920.

These ideas were not only widespread in elite academic circles, they had filtered down into the Viennese press during Hitler’s pre-WWI days. After Hitler’s rise, Nazi propaganda spread these ideas still further to the masses. One film, Victim of the Past (1937), showed a disfigured handicapped person and declared:

‘Everything in the natural world that is weak for life will ineluctably [unavoidably] be destroyed. In the last few decades, mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection. We haven’t just maintained life unworthy of life, we have even allowed it to multiply! The descendants of these sick people look like this!’

Sadly, today, the very philosophy that was foundational to Nazism is taught as fact in Western media and educational circles. And atheistic philosophers such as Peter Singer and James Rachels have applied the same reasoning as the Nazis—that Darwinism has undermined the sanctity of human life, so involuntary euthanasia should be allowed, e.g. for disabled newborns. This shows that if we don’t learn from history, we are likely to repeat it.
References

1. Palgrave Macmillan, New York, USA, 2004.
2. Ambler, M., Herero genocide: Foretaste of the Holocaust, Creation 27(3):52–55, 2005.
3. Grigg, R., Fraud rediscovered, Creation 20(2):49–51, 1998; Ernst Haeckel: Evangelist for evolution and apostle of deceit, Creation 18(2):33–36, 1996; Q&A: Embryonic Recapitulation.


34 posted on 08/22/2006 2:32:39 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: keithtoo

Primary source documentation please.

That is something Hitler wrote or spoke publically, not a quote from a private conversation that no one else ever reported on.


35 posted on 08/22/2006 2:34:29 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Rodm

Creationists, Hitler and Evolution

by Lenny Flank

(c) 1999


A common charge made by creationists is that evolutionary theory is "evil" and is the source of racism in general, and of dictatorial killers in particular. The most often-heard assertion is that Hitler and his racist genocide were the product of "evolutionary philosophy". Henry Morris, for instance, flatly declares, "However one may react morally against Hitler, he was certainly a consistent evolutionst." (Morris, "Evolution and Modern racism", ICR Impact, October 1973) Morris adds: "The philosophies of Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche--the forerunners of Stalin and Hitler--have been particularly baleful in their effect: both were dedicated evolutionists." (Morris, Troubled Waters of Evolution, 1974 p. 33)


How accurate is this creationist finger-pointing? Not very. The creationists are apparently unaware of the fact that Stalinist Russia rejected Darwinian evolution as "bourgeois" and instead embraced the non-Darwinian "proletarian biology" of Lysenko and Michurin (a disaster from which Russian genetics and biological sciences has still not completely recovered). As for Hitler, even a cursory reading of his book Mein Kampf reveals that the true source of Hitler's inspiration and exhortations came from a source that creationists, understandably, would rather not talk about.


Hitler's goal was the "purification" of the "Aryan race" through the elimination of "subhumans", which included Jews, gypsies, Asians, black Africans, and everyone else who was not a white Aryan. Despite the creationists claims that this was based on Darwinain evolutionary theory, Hitler's own writings give quite a different story. The ICR claims that "Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) over and over again in his book." (ICR Impact, "The Ascent of Racism", Paul Humber Feb 1987) Like so many of ICR's claims, this one is simply not true---a quick scan of several online English translations of Mein Kampf shows only ONE use of the word "evolution", in a context which does not refer at all to biological evolution, but instead to the development of political ideas in Germany: "This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation."


Had ICR made even a cursory reading of Mein Kampf, they would have seen a quite different source for Hitler's racist inspiration than the one they would have us believe. White Aryans, Hitler writes, are the special creations of God, the "highest image of the Lord", put here specifically to rule over the "subhuman" races: "Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." (all quotes from Hitler, Mein Kampf, online version) Actions which aid the "subhumans" at the expense of the Aryan master race, Hitler declared, were an offense against God: " It is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions."


Rather than basing his racism on any evolutionary theory, Hitler based it squarely on his view of white Aryans as the favored people of God. In fact, Hitler solemnly declares that his program of removing Jews and other "subhumans" from the earth is a divine task forced upon him by the Lord Almighty: "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproductionof our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purityof our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that ourpeople may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the Creator of the universe."


Hitler concludes: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," adding "Compared to the absurd catchword about safeguarding law and order, thus laying a peaceable groundwork for mutual swindles, the task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission." For Hitler, removing the subhumans from earth was not a matter of biology or evolution---it was a divine mandate from God Himself, the "work of the Lord", a "truly high mission".


Even in discussing racial purity and "race-mixing", Hitler chooses not the words of evolutionary biology or eugenics, but points instead to his divinely holy mission: "Historical experience offers countless proofs of this. It shows with terrifying clarity that in every mingling of Aryan blood with that of lower peoples the result was the end of the cultured people. North America, whose population consists in by far the largest part of Germanic elements who mixed but little with the lower colored peoples, shows a different humanity and culture from Central and South America, where the predominantly Latin immigrants often mixed with the aborigines on a large scale. By this one example, we can clearly and distinctly recognize the effect of racial mixture. The Germanic inhabitant of the American continent, who has remained racially pure and unmixed, rose to be master of the continent; he will remain the master as long as he does not fall a victim to defilement of the blood. The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following: To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the Eternal Creator."


The goal of the "folkish government", then, Hitler declares is to "finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created."


"The folkish-minded man, in particular," Hitler concludes, "has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."


In Mein Kampf, Hitler makes an emotional appeal to God to aid him and his Nazis in their divine task: "Then, from the child's story-book to the last newspaper in the country, and every theatre and cinema, every pillar where placards are posted and every free space on the hoardings should be utilized in the service of this one great mission, until the faint-hearted cry, "Lord, deliver us," which our patriotic associations send up to Heaven to-day would be transformed into an ardent prayer: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the hour comes. ' " Later, when Nazi troops swarmed over Europe, each of them wore an army-issue belt buckle inscribed with the words "God is With Us".


The invocation of God and the Bible in support of racism continues with modern hate groups in the US. Aryan Nations, which also calls itself the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, begins its web site by proclaiming "Praise Yahweh" and its intention to "serve the Lord of Glory and His Holy Race". The American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan note that only those of "Christian faith" can be members, and asks every new recruit "Do you believe in Jesus Christ?" The White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan declare that "at some point God's people must take action in the defense of our Christian, racial and political beliefs". The Camelia KKK website also explicitly states "We base our beliefs on our Biblical interpretations, not ignorance, superstition or blind hatred." How does the Camelia KKK justify its opposition to "race-mixing"? "White Christian Israelites are under God’s law and covenant. The other peoples of the earth are under nature’s law, which God also created. . . Nature’s law, which is a creation of YAHWEH, dictates that kind reproduce after kind. The different people of the world were never supposed to mix." The Imperial Klans of America declares, "We are a gathering of White Christian men and women." The National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan website declares that they "reverently acknowledge the majesty and supremacy of Almighty God and recognize his goodness and providence through his Son Jesus Christ. We avow the distinction between the races of mankind as decreed by the Lord our God, and we shall ever be true to the maintenance of His Supremacy."

None of these racist websites mentions "Darwin" or "evolution" as a justification for any of their beliefs. All of them talk about "God" and "The Creator" instead.


36 posted on 08/22/2006 2:35:05 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: GeronL
Hitler was applying 'Darwinism' by saying what he was doing was 'scientific' in trying to create a pure Aryan race.

Perhaps you'll be the one who describes the specific aspects of the theory of evolution that posit "the creation of a pure Aryan race." Somebody should.

37 posted on 08/22/2006 2:35:42 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Theo

Don't deny reality. Christianity had an influence on Hitler.


38 posted on 08/22/2006 2:36:10 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: GeronL

That's, as I keep having to repeat, is simply old fashioned selective breeding, and not evolution.


39 posted on 08/22/2006 2:36:44 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Dracian

The idea that Hitler, because he had been baptized as a baby, could be considered in any sense a Christian is wholly unsupportable and false. In truth, Hitler despised the Christian religion and considered it, along with the pox, as the great scourge of mankind.

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. When you read them, you can sense the real evil behind the madman.

For actual quotes from Hitler regarding his vehement opposition to Christianity:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1682299/posts



40 posted on 08/22/2006 2:37:27 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: Dracian

The idea that Hitler, because he had been baptized as a baby, could be considered in any sense a Christian is wholly unsupportable and false. In truth, Hitler despised the Christian religion and considered it, along with the pox, as the great scourge of mankind.

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. When you read them, you can sense the real evil behind the madman.

For actual quotes from Hitler regarding his vehement opposition to Christianity:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1682299/posts



41 posted on 08/22/2006 2:37:27 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: atlaw

I am talking about the claims that it was scientific in nature. I think its bogus. I doubt they used the term 'darwinism' though


42 posted on 08/22/2006 2:37:29 PM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: T'wit
Historically, there is simply no question that Darwinism was a powerful influence on Nazi thinking.

I deny it. Hitler's ideas regarding Darwinism were as laughably wrong-headed as those of any FreeRepublic creationist.

You cannot lay Hitler at Darwin's feet without laying Jim Jones/Savonarola/David Koresh/the Conquistadors/molesting priests/Salem Witch Trials/the Inquisition/etc/etc/etc at Christ's.

43 posted on 08/22/2006 2:37:43 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: js1138

Actually, Hitler drew more inspiration from Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger than they did from Darwin. They had a lot in common those two.


44 posted on 08/22/2006 2:40:21 PM PDT by montag813
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To: magslinger

"Saying that Darwin caused the holocaust is like blaming blitzkrieg on Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler and Orville and Wilbur Wright."

Or blaming Henry Ford for car accidents.


45 posted on 08/22/2006 2:41:37 PM PDT by Sally Golightly
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To: js1138
From the article:

Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

[my bolding]

Precisely

46 posted on 08/22/2006 2:42:40 PM PDT by ToryHeartland
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To: Rodm

> That's a crock and you know it!

Too bad Hitler didn't. From: http://www.creationtheory.org/Essays/index.php?page=Hitler


"I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal."2 (Hitler admired religious figures).

"I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the 'conflicts' which exist everywhere in life were decided."3 (Hitler believed in Heaven).

"I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party ... The man and the movement seemed 'reactionary' in my eyes. My common sense of justice, however, forced me to change this judgment in proportion as I had occasion to become acquainted with the man and his work; and slowly my fair judgment turned to unconcealed admiration. Today, more than ever, I regard this man as the greatest German mayor of all times ... How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement! My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all."4 (Hitler was inspired to become a radical anti-Semite by the Viennese Christian Social movement, whose attitudes are almost identical to the far-right American Christian fundamentalist movement today).

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."5 (Hitler obviously believed in a supreme being).

"Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be 'discovered' by an election"6 (Hitler was fond of paraphrasing the Bible (Mark 10:25 in this case), and he does this many, many times elsewhere in the book).

"The root of the whole evil lay, particularly in Schonerer's opinion, in the fact that the directing body of the Catholic Church was not in Germany, and that for this very reason alone it was hostile to the interests of our nationality."7 (affirming that Hitler's only real problem with his childhood religion was the fact that its power base was not in Germany).

"I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction."8 (the "divine court of the eternal judge" seems a rather strange idea from anyone but a Judeo-Christian, since Pagan and Eastern religions generally lack any such divine judgemental entity, to say nothing of atheism)

"Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image."9

"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children."10 (recalling World War I).

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe."11 (it would appear that Hitler agreed with modern "intelligent design" creationists on the existence of a Creator).

"Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth ... Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world ..."12 (Jerry Falwell? Is that you?)

"But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God"13 (note that when he says "images of God", he refers to racially pure Aryans; this sentence comes in the context of a diatribe against racial intermixing).

"While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new followers for their doctrine-- an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular-- right here in Europe they lose millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply so their own ways. The consequences, particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable."14 (Hitler agrees with George W. Bush that religion and morality are intertwined).

"Also noteworthy is the increasingly violent struggle against the dogmatic foundations of the various churches without which in this human world the practical existence of a religious faith is not conceivable ... The attack against dogmas as such, therefore, strongly resembles the struggle against the general legal foundations of a state, and, as the latter would end in a total anarchy of the state, the former would end in a worthless religious nihilism."15 (Hitler, trying to equate criticism of dogma to an assault on civilization)

"The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following: (a) Lowering of the level of the higher race; (b) Physical and intellectual regression and hence the beginning of a slowly but surely progressing sickness. To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the eternal creator."16 (Hitler tries to define racial intermarriage as defiance of God's will, in exactly the way modern racists do, particularly in the southern American states; indeed, 40% of Alabama voters voted to keep interracial marriage illegal in November 2000)

"And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world."17 (Hitler believes in the afterlife, and he agrees with modern Christian fundamentalists about the importance of religious matters over material matters)

"The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."18 (Hitler demonstrates the common anti-Semitic view that Jesus was an Aryan rather than a Jew, and glowingly described him as "the great founder of the new doctrine".

"The Jew almost never marries a Christian woman; it is the Christian who marries a Jewess ... The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew ... With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people."19 (Hitler echoes Martin Luther's thoughts on Satan and Jewry; note that Hitler openly admired Luther, who wrote the virulent anti-Semitic screed "On Jews And Their Lies", and the infamous Kristallnacht was committed on Luther's birthday. Also note that he reiterates his hatred of intermarriage, but this time on religious rather than racial grounds. He tends to use the terms "German" and "Christian" interchangeably, which makes sense since he believed that Jesus was an Aryan and that true Christianity recognized the supremacy of the Aryan race).

"The future of a movement is conditioned by the fanaticism, yes, the intolerance, with which its adherents uphold it as the sole correct movement, and push it past other formations of a similar sort ... absolute intolerance also provides long growth ... The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others."20 (Hitler explains why he thinks religious intolerance is good, agreeing in principle with modern right-wing Christian fundamentalists who bemoan that if they are not intolerant of diversity, their belief system will have no future).

"The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."21

"The characteristic thing about these people is that they rave about old Germanic heroism, about dim prehistory, stone axes, spear and shield, but in reality are the greatest cowards that can be imagined. For the same people who brandish scholarly imitations of old German tin swords, and wear a dressed bearskin with bull's horns over their heads, preach for the present nothing but struggle with spiritual weapons, and run away as fast as they can from every Communist blackjack."22 (Hitler's own words demonstrate clearly that despite the common myth that the religion of Nazism was Nordic paganism, he actually regarded the Nordic pagan revival movement with nothing but contempt and derision, and Rosenberg was obviously charting his own path).

"A man who knows a thing, who is aware of a given danger, and sees the possibility of a remedy with his own eyes, has the duty and obligation, by God, not to work 'silently,' but to stand up before the whole public against the evil and for its cure."23 (isn't it interesting that you could easily imagine many of these quotes coming from the mouth of a modern-day preacher?)

"By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious-dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence."24 (Hitler equates religious dogma to ethics and morality, again just like modern right-wing intolerant Christians)

"Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."25 (Hitler believes in the Genesis story of expulsion from Paradise).

"The task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission."26

"A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape."27 (Hitler believed that Aryans are holy and were created in God's "image", while other races evolved from apes, hence his hatred for racial mixing because it diluted God's image).

"It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly, but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother, than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world."28 (Hitler outlines some of his eugenics ideas; note that he described black humans as "Negroes" and white humans as "European humanity". Like the medieval European Christian conquerors, he obviously thought of black people as sub-human, and he often described Czechs as "sub-humans" as well)

"That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?"29 (Hitler believes that racial mixing is an extension of "original sin")

"It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions."30 (again, he repeats his belief that Aryans come from God while other races evolved from apes).

"It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god"31 (just for fun, try asking people whether quotes like this came from Jerry Falwell or Adolf Hitler).

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."32 (again Hitler repeats his belief that the Aryan race was created by God, and that it would be a sin to dilute it through racial intermixing with inferior races which evolved naturally).

"If the German nation wants to end a state of affairs that threatens its extermination in Europe, it must not fall into the error of the pre-War period and make enemies of God and the world; it must recognize the most dangerous enemy and strike at him with all its concentrated power. And if this victory is obtained through sacrifices elsewhere, the coming generations of our people will not condemn us."33 (he seems to have learned the lessons of the Biblical Old Testament well: God punishes the people when they disobey him, so they must not make an enemy of God)

"For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!'"34

"we National Socialists must hold unflinchingly to our aim in foreign policy, namely to secure for the German people the land and soil to which they are entitled on this earth. And this action is the only one which, before God and or German posterity, would make any sacrifice of blood seem justified: before God, since we have been put on this earth with the mission of eternal struggle for our daily bread..."35 (again, Hitler tries to justify his actions as the will of God, as countless Christians have done before him).

"And so he advances on his fatal road until another force comes forth to oppose him, and in a mighty struggle hurls the heaven-stormer back to Lucifer. Germany is today the next great war aim of Bolshevism. It requires all the force of a young missionary idea to raise our people up again, to free them from the snares of this international serpent..."36 (Hitler explaining that the German people must send the "heaven-stormer" back to Hell).




None of this says that Hitler was a Christian in any real sense. But it *does* provide good evidence that he was influenced by Christianity.


47 posted on 08/22/2006 2:43:10 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: tjd1454

Those are not quotes from Hitler, they are undocumented statements that they are reports of private conversations.

Find a primary source: something Hither wrote or something said in a public setting that was reported on at the time.


48 posted on 08/22/2006 2:43:45 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: staytrue
I sincerely doubt they're directly blaming Darwin. Unfortunately, Hitler did draw on Darwin to justify his eugenic views - as did many others at the time. Seems to me that if you take human beings as nothing more than common stock, eugenic views are naturally going to arise. Putting eugenics into action, as Hitler did, requires more honesty than the West is willing to admit at this time.
49 posted on 08/22/2006 2:44:06 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Yeah, I've got an axe to grind...what else would you use on Leftists?)
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To: stands2reason

The following is from Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 (Farrar, Straus and Young).
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler. He may have used religious language in Mein Kampf in order to sway the masses, but he reveals his true beliefs in the quotes below:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:


Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:


Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:


Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:


There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:


It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)


50 posted on 08/22/2006 2:44:09 PM PDT by tjd1454
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