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ABANDONED SCHOONER MYSTERY..NO CREW, A HALF-EATEN MEAL AND PILES OF CLOTHES(Mediterranean)
Mirror ^ | 24 Aug 2006 | Nick Pisa

Posted on 08/25/2006 6:20:48 AM PDT by Marius3188

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To: mewzilla

Aaaaargh! Glad ye posted that, Mate! I almost overlooked the date.

Time flys when yer havin' rum.


101 posted on 08/25/2006 7:52:18 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Marius3188

I remember a tale about a boat that was found deserted. It was thought that the guests and crew all went for a swim, without a rope ladder or other such device so that they could climb back on board, thus they all drowned. A huge mental blunder.

Keep in mind, this might just be an old rumor without any fact.


102 posted on 08/25/2006 7:54:27 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: freedomlover
You may actually be correct. I have heard rumors that terrorists are using boats to move personnel and supplies around the Med. If this was a snatch and grab by Navy SEALS - shame on them for not sinking it. Unless of course the message to the bad guys is that we can get you anywhere anytime.
103 posted on 08/25/2006 7:54:55 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: all4one
That's unfortunately very common.

Especially in crowded sealanes, like the Channel.

Sounds like the yacht ran under, probably after striking floating debris and breaching the hull. Could be floating anything, what cruisers really hate is deck cargo washed off a container ship. Make solid contact with one of those and you'll go under in one piece, never to be heard from again.

104 posted on 08/25/2006 7:56:06 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Red Badger

Coolest user name, ever....:)


105 posted on 08/25/2006 8:02:08 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Yep...I've been on all types of boats since I was young...I usually think that these type of incidents happen with inexperience boaters. Depending on someone's knowlege of the area where they are boating...unknown hazards are a common occurance.


106 posted on 08/25/2006 8:02:51 AM PDT by all4one (Israel has a right to defend itself against those who have declared their desire to destroy it.)
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To: all4one

I am very happy to be utterly land-locked up in the mountains, right now....:D


107 posted on 08/25/2006 8:04:07 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: Ready4Freddy

"I've sailed offshore almost all my life - Atlantic, Pacific, Med, & Southern Ocean, as well as the Great Lakes"

Even us Great Lakes Boaters have intrigue. Last summer on Huron, there was a similiar event. A woman attorney, O/O disappeared from her vessel which was underway to Macinac. The vessel was located, empty about seven miles offshore several days later. Her boyfriend was with her and even though they found her body several weeks later, he has disappeared. Lots of mystery because of the evidence left onboard.


108 posted on 08/25/2006 8:05:35 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: all4one
I'd say the vast majority of incidents happen with inexperienced cruisers -- especially bareboat charters in the Caribbean. But most aren't fatal, just hard on the equipment!

Anybody who's thinking about cruising ought to crew with somebody else before they take the plunge. And bopping around in a safe area like the Bahamas is a good idea for a starting place.

109 posted on 08/25/2006 8:07:23 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Toespi

I don't mind telling you the Great Lakes scare the heck out of me. Probably because the only place I've ever done any sailing is the Caribbean and the FL-GA coast.


110 posted on 08/25/2006 8:08:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

The Great Lakes are not for the faint at heart. Lots of shallows, rocks, and Erie can be devastating in storms. Thank God for electronic charts......


111 posted on 08/25/2006 8:15:39 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi
Yeah, the GA coast is all sandbars, except for a few deposits of oyster shells here and there. You run aground, you just wait for the tide to float you off. We've got 9-12 foot tides in coastal GA (something you probably don't have in the Lakes) and you DO have to watch your tide tables. But with GPS (with the marine package installed) and a good depth finder, it's really no problem.

Worst thing in the Caribbean is the darn coral, which is NOT always on the charts. But you can see it coming, just post a lookout in the crosstrees and proceed with caution.

Hurricane season, we tie everything down and stay on shore.

112 posted on 08/25/2006 8:20:16 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Lazamataz

"I have a punctured dinghy."

I don't know if mine is punctured or what, but sometimes it leaks a bit. Is that a puncture, or just another aging malfunction?


113 posted on 08/25/2006 8:23:17 AM PDT by 2Fro (Quintessential Thread Killer)
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To: gridlock
The Barbary Pirates have operated in that area for the last 400 years.

Have you been to Sardinia? There haven't been any "Barbary Pirates" there in quite some time.

In other news: Terror Fears As (Islamic) Radicals Reopen Vital Port (Mogadishu)

Look at a map. Find Mogadishu, then find Sardinia. Note: they're not particularly close.

114 posted on 08/25/2006 8:28:25 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker; 1rudeboy
There haven't been any "Barbary Pirates" there in quite some time.

So I would be interested to hear from you when the great shift in Islam occurred and they gave up piracy. They were supressed, but that doesn't mean they are gone.

Pirates operate out of Somalia even as we speak. Today we have US Navy ships assigned to the Horn of Africa in order to supress them. Is it so outrageous to suppose that one of the many failed states in North Africa could also be home to pirates?

Remember, the original term for hijacking was "Air Piracy". These terrorists have been siezing and destroying airliners for fun and profit for decades. Tripoli, a scant 500 miles from sweet, peaceful Sardinia, was behind the bombing of Pan Am 103. Why is it so unthinkable that somebody in this area is up to their old tricks?

115 posted on 08/25/2006 9:04:09 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock

I did a brief check on any reports of piracy in the Med and found nothing reported in 2006. Why bring-up Somalia?


116 posted on 08/25/2006 9:07:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I did a brief check on any reports of piracy in the Med and found nothing reported in 2006.

And if this mystery is never solved, it won't show up on the report for 2006, either.

Why bring-up Somalia?

That just happened to be the only story in yesterday's paper about a major pirate safe haven opening up for business.

People have the notion that pirates are a thing of the past, and went out with sailing ships and wooden legs. The fact is that piracy and air piracy is a thriving enterprise in much of the World, and that because of the general antipathy toward the Infidel, many of the pirates are Muslim.

117 posted on 08/25/2006 9:15:46 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock
Last summer a sailboat crew went missing in Lake Michigan. Am I to assume that Islamics are resonsible because acts of piracy occur off the coast of Somalia? LOL

The above is the only reason I chose to comment on this thread.

118 posted on 08/25/2006 9:20:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tiredoflaundry

That's what I was thinking! Ever seen the German remake from the '70s?


119 posted on 08/25/2006 9:21:43 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (T)
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To: miss marmelstein

Yes I have! :-)


120 posted on 08/25/2006 9:24:52 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Praying for Israel)
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To: Marius3188

Could it be "The Flying Dutchman?"


121 posted on 08/25/2006 9:33:41 AM PDT by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: 1rudeboy
Last summer a sailboat crew went missing in Lake Michigan. Am I to assume that Islamics are resonsible because acts of piracy occur off the coast of Somalia?

I dunno...how near Dearborn was the boat lost?
122 posted on 08/25/2006 9:35:13 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom
Great. Now I am paranoid.
123 posted on 08/25/2006 9:38:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: beezdotcom

Terrorist threats are very real in the Great Lakes. We have made the trip into Canada many times via Lake Erie and the Detroit River. We go to Windsor, Canada which is across the river from Detroit. All we do is call immigration, report our location, people onboard and that is it. When we return to US waters, we simply go back to our home marina. Is that an open border or what?


124 posted on 08/25/2006 11:01:42 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
I read a book about the Mary Celeste years ago written by a retired admiralty investigator. He reviewed all the known theories at the time and the facts that were known. His conclusions as I recall them:

-The Mary Celeste encountered a waterspout (ocean tornado) based upon bilge water being above the bilge pump plungers and most hatches being battened. The weather for that day was calm and warm with a cold front coming in. He believed only a waterspout could explain the closed hatches and bilgewater above the pump plungers which would have occured from a positive pressure difference between the bilge and outside air pressure.

-The cargo of industrial alcohol had been disturbed and some caskets had leaked.

Several of the sails were torn and unfurled but had not been set.

The author's conclusion was that followig a waterspout the presence of the bilgepump water and the alcohol gave the crew the impression the boat not only was sinking but liable to blow up. He surmised they launched in the (missing) lifeboat to wait for the fumes to clear from a safe distance. A gust of wind came and unfurled one or more of the hastily pulled sails driving the Mary Celeste beyond the reach of the lifeboat.

It was known a strong gale hit that part of the ocean that night and the Mary Celeste's crew, perished at sea in the lifeboat.

125 posted on 08/25/2006 11:14:01 AM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Marius3188

Think I know where the crew is...

Down a well in Tehran (waiting to show themselves until
the appointed hour)!


126 posted on 08/25/2006 12:19:14 PM PDT by NoFoxholeAthiests (Religion-of-Peices)
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To: all4one
The link you posted in #76 to the article in the Corriere says they tracked down the owner. From the best I can gather with my pretty rusty italian, the owner's from Luxembourg & was called back home on an emergency on the 17th of august. He anchored her out & intended to come back & get her in September.The coast guard tracked him down through a cell phone number on a french mooring contract found somewhere aboard. If I'm translating correctly, the authorities are suspicious of his story. They think he might have been trying to evade the docking taxes on yachts in sardinia- I've been told they are OBSCENE there so they're probably justified in their thinking. They're also very suspicious because he evidently wiped out the gps data before leaving.According to the article, he should be coming back this weekend to reclaim her.

Oh well, it was spooky while it lasted, lol!

127 posted on 08/26/2006 6:38:55 PM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
Awesome info. leilani...as I was looking for articles on this...I came across many articles that were describing the docking taxes...how high there are and that they are expecting them to increase.

You are correct...it does still sound very odd. This person must have some deep pockets to risk leaving a large boat like that anchored out for weeks unattended. And if that is the case...just pay to dock. Penny wise and pound foolish. Thanks again...where else but FR could we have someone like you with your "rusty" Italian help get answers to this mystery!

128 posted on 08/28/2006 8:43:39 AM PDT by all4one (Israel has a right to defend itself against those who have declared their desire to destroy it.)
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To: all4one
Penny wise and pound foolish

That's for sure, or maybe a sailor of the libertarian persuasion who needs to do a better job calculating the scope of his anchor rode next time? (Hmmm. Didn't I read somewhere William F. Buckley was going to be spending the summer on the Costa Smeralda? lol!)

p.s.)I just did a search for the veliero fantasma but couldn't find any updates if the guy reclaimed his boat yet.

129 posted on 08/28/2006 10:57:58 AM PDT by leilani
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