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Muslim Jihad Comes To Small Town, USA
conservative truth ^ | July 25, 2005 | Laura Mansfield

Posted on 08/28/2006 10:07:18 AM PDT by Lorianne

It happened again this week. I came out of the office to find a flyer under my windshield wipers inviting me to a special informational presentation on God and family values, and how to bring them back to the forefront in America.

I'm a parent, so the flyer caught my interest. But as an analyst for the Northeast Intelligence Network, my eyes were riveted to the address on the flyer: The session was being held at a nearby mosque.

Curiosity got the better of me, and I decided it would be a good time for some onsite investigations of the mosque. In order to not attract undue attention, I dressed conservatively, wearing a navy jumper with a long sleeve white blouse, and low heels. I debated whether or not to put on a hijab (head scarf) then decided not to. After all, I was going to "learn," not to pretend I was a Muslim.

I checked the mosque schedule on the Web, and discovered there was going to be an Arabic language session an hour before. So I showed up an hour early. The imam met me at the door, and told me that the presentation didn't start for an hour, and suggested I come back in an hour. Fortunately, I had anticipated this. I explained that since I had quite a bit of reading to do for a class I was taking. "Can I just sit here and read?"

He hesitated a moment, then agreed. I sat in the back of the room, with my book open, and made a mental note to remember to turn the pages every so often, as I listened to the speakers in Arabic.

The first speaker was the head of the Muslim Students' Association at the nearby university. Although I missed the beginning of the discussion, I caught up quickly. He was talking about the problems he had encountered on a recent trip, when TSA flagged him for extra screening. He joked about the fact that they had stopped him for extensive screening. He had anticipated that he would be screened and he had filled his carryon luggage with printouts of the Quran from the Internet, and had 15 or 16 CDs labeled in Arabic, and he had a notebook computer with him.

As he expected, he was delayed he thought it was very amusing that while several TSA personnel were scrutinizing his personal belongings that his classmate from Jordan was able to walk through security, along with his American girlfriend, without any problems whatsoever.

One of the men said, in Arabic: "Blonde Americans are good for something!" Another man advised him to be cautious, since there was an American woman in the room. The imam spoke up and told everyone I didn't speak Arabic.

At that point, another student took the podium. His name was Khaled, and he began to recount his recent trip to New York City. Khaled and three of his companions had gone to New York for several days in January. He told of how uncomfortable his trip up to NYC had been. He felt like he was being watched, and thought he was the victim of racial profiling.

Khaled and his friends were pretty unhappy about it, and while in New York, they came up with a plan to "teach a lesson" to the passengers and crew. You can imagine the story Khaled told. He described how he and his friends whispered to each other on the flight, made simultaneous visits to the restroom, and generally tried to "spook" the other passengers. He laughed when he described how several women were in tears, and one man sitting near him was praying.

The others in the room thought the story was quite amusing, judging from the laughter. The imam stood up and told the group that this was a kind of peaceful civil disobedience that should be encouraged, and commended Khaled and his friends for their efforts.

He pointed out that it was through this kind of civil disobedience that ethnic profiling would fail.

One of the other men, Ahmed from Kuwait, gave a brief account of his friend Eyad, who had finally gone to Iraq. Ahmed was in e-mail contact with Eyad, and hoped by the following week to be able to bring them more information about the state of the "mujahideen" in Iraq.

As the meeting drew to a close, the imam gave a brief speech calling for the protection of Allah on the mujahideen fighting for Islam throughout the world, and reminded everyone that it was their duty as Muslims to continue in the path of jihad, whether it was simple efforts like those of Khaled and his friends, or the actual physical fighting of men like Eyad.

As the meeting broke up, several women in hijabs came in the room, and two of them sat with me. They were very warm and friendly and welcoming, and appeared to be clearly thrilled that I was there. They asked me questions about who I was, and why I was interested in the session.

By the time the session began, there were half a dozen American women, four of them African-American. Where the previous session had definite anti-American tones, this session was all American and Apple Pie. The earlier session had been in Arabic this one was in English.

The woman leading the session, Nafisa, told of the concerns she had regarding her daughters in the public-school system. She complained about the influence of the MTV culture, and seemed concerned about the rampant sexuality that pervaded all facets of American life, from television to movies and on into the school system.

She explained her personal solution -­ the local Islamic school, beginning with kindergarten. Instead of worrying about her daughters dressing provocatively and behaving inappropriately with boys, she talked about the modest school uniforms they wore, and the single-gender classes her daughters attended.

She then began to discuss Islam, focusing on the commonalities it has with Christianity. The sales pitch had clearly begun. While in the previous section, the men had quoted over and over again sura from the Quran calling for violent jihad, the women's session focused on the "gentler" side of Islam.

The same imam who demanded that the men continue in the path of jihad did a complete 180-degree turn in this session, stressing instead the suras that promoted the "brotherhood" between Muslims, Christians and Jews. "After all, we worship the same God, and follow the teachings in the books he gave each of us. We are all the same, we are all People of the Book," he stressed.

The differences between the sessions were striking. Clearly the second session was a recruiting session.

Were the women aware of what was being taught in the first session? Certainly those women who spoke Arabic should have been.

The reason for concern is obvious: Two different doctrines are being promoted. One peaceful, friendly, warm and fuzzy doctrine is being used to draw people in, with a focus on the wellbeing of their children.

But the Arabic-speaking sessions clearly have an anti-American tone.

It shows clearly that as much as we'd like to pretend it hasn't, jihad has reached Small-Town, USA. This mosque isn't in Washington, D.C., or New York City. This is a small mosque in a small town in the deep South.

And if it's in this tiny little quiet southern town, it's probably in your hometown, too.

[Laura Mansfield is a freelance writer with over 20 years of experience dealing with Middle East issues. She is fluent in written and spoken Arabic, and has an excellent understanding of the complex cultural, religious and historical issues. Her experience includes nearly seven years living and working in the region for a wide range of private and government clients.]


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1 posted on 08/28/2006 10:07:19 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

--scary--


2 posted on 08/28/2006 10:12:19 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Lorianne

I think I'm going to email this around.....


3 posted on 08/28/2006 10:13:03 AM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: Lorianne

What a great article and post.


4 posted on 08/28/2006 10:13:17 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of an 2 year old son with Down Syndrome)
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To: NYer; Dajjal; Maeve

Jihad in America ping!


5 posted on 08/28/2006 10:13:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Lorianne

I hope you haven't committed some sort of new hate crime by reporting this.


6 posted on 08/28/2006 10:14:19 AM PDT by labette
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To: Lorianne

I can't figure out why she didn't ask the Imam about what she had heard. I would have.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 10:14:25 AM PDT by zook (McCain/Giuliani/Rice--2 of the 3 in 08!)
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To: Lorianne
And if it's in this tiny little quiet southern town, it's probably in your hometown, too.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting It is here, in Redmond, WA. My wife went a session yesterday; amusing, in a way, that of the three people who came one was an Iranian Muslim furious at what the Arabs were doing to Islam.

8 posted on 08/28/2006 10:14:44 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† |Iran Azadi| SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | 8/30: National Geek Day)
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To: Lorianne

Great article and, alas, unsurprising.


9 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:05 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Lorianne
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/aug/04let.htm

Lashkar acts as a secret police for Al Qaeda, says report

August 04, 2003 17:51 IST


The Lashkar-e-Tayiba is acting as a 'secret police' for the Taliban and Al Qaeda, American and Indian intelligence officials say.

A US congressional paper on homeland security quotes former officers of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Indian agencies as saying that the recent arrest of eleven men in Virginia, allegedly connected with the Lashkar, raises the prospects of 'a new terrorist threat in the United States'.

A special report in the congressional quarterly homeland security quotes the FBI's former deputy assistant director for counterintelligence, Harry B 'Skip' Brandon, as saying that

Kashmiri terrorists, who used to raise funds in America earlier for the fight back home, switched over to providing 'other material support' to the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Brandon says the US intelligence 'are not just focussed on the Taliban and Al Qaeda, but also groups affiliated to them'.

The paper quotes Selig Harrison, head of Asia Project at Washington-based Centre for International Policy, as saying that before the 9/11 attacks, 'I was told by a top source in the state department that the Lashkar was serving (as) a secret police function for the Taliban'.

The report quotes former additional secretary in Cabinet Secretariat B Raman as saying that the Lashkar headquarters at Muridke (Pakistan) had 'a guesthouse and a mosque constructed with funds provided by Osama bin Laden'.

"Before he fell foul of the US, Laden stayed in this guesthouse during his visits to Pakistan," Raman says.

He further says the Lashkar is 'building up its clandestine infrastructure in the US and will continue to do so'.

Regarding chances that the Lashkar will participate in an attack on the US, Brandon says, "It is not outside the realm of possibility that it could pose a threat to US homeland security. If you had asked me four or five years ago, I would have said it was highly unlikely as they are interested only in Kashmir.

"But radical Islamic terrorism has given things a new twist and the authorities are gradually seeing a blurring of the lines between terrorist groups."

While Raman feels they will themselves not participate in an attack on the US 'for the present', Teresita Schaffer, director of South Asia programme at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, says her impression is that the Lashkar is 'more interested in their own homeland'.

Raman, however, warns that the outfit will continue to 'guide, train, fund and coordinate other members of Laden's International Islamic Front and Al Qaeda remnants wanting to launch attacks in the US without directly coming into the picture itself'.


© Copyright 2003 PTI. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of PTI content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent.

10 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:38 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: zook

Probably because she wanted to live.


11 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:39 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Lorianne

I call bullsh*t.

Though I don't doubt for a second that this sort of thing goes on in mosques around the country, something about this article just doesn't ring true for me.


12 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:44 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (A storm is coming...)
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To: Lorianne

2005?


13 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:45 AM PDT by maggief
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To: MeanWestTexan

bump for later


14 posted on 08/28/2006 10:16:29 AM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (Save the Earth - it's the only planet with chocolate)
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To: Lorianne

ping


15 posted on 08/28/2006 10:16:41 AM PDT by ocr1
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To: Lorianne

Saudi Arabia continues to open mosques across the country spreading the filth of Islam.


16 posted on 08/28/2006 10:17:06 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: maggief

See #8.


17 posted on 08/28/2006 10:17:17 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† |Iran Azadi| SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | 8/30: National Geek Day)
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To: Lorianne

They profiled this woman didn't they. The Muzzies use profiling to accomplish their needs. Muzzies have accounted for the huge majority of all terrorist attacks and deaths. They murder civilians whether children or helpless old people. NO GOD or religion would justify that crap. Root them out and kill/deport them. Whichever is best.


18 posted on 08/28/2006 10:18:33 AM PDT by shankbear
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19 posted on 08/28/2006 10:19:40 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Probably because she wanted to live?
Get real. A person who has the guts and gumption to sit in on that kind of discussion should also have the guts and gumption to air it out later on.

When one doesn't do this, when one tells a story without mentioning the name of the town or the location of the mosque, well, then my BS detector starts to ring a little.


20 posted on 08/28/2006 10:19:40 AM PDT by zook (McCain/Giuliani/Rice--2 of the 3 in 08!)
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To: Trampled by Lambs

Ditto that. See my post above.


21 posted on 08/28/2006 10:20:09 AM PDT by zook (McCain/Giuliani/Rice--2 of the 3 in 08!)
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To: Lorianne

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998


22 posted on 08/28/2006 10:20:43 AM PDT by Vision (God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, love and self-discipline 2Timothy1)
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To: ncountylee
Saudi Arabia continues to open mosques across the country spreading the filth of Islam.

And that is the message everyone in this country needs to get. From the top down.

I seen last night on ABC that in 2 weeks they have a new movie event based on the 9-11 commission report. Wonder how they will portray the terrorists?

23 posted on 08/28/2006 10:22:13 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: Lorianne

bump


24 posted on 08/28/2006 10:23:01 AM PDT by VOA
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To: zook

"A person who has the guts and gumption to sit in on that kind of discussion should also have the guts and gumption to air it out later on."

Well, not everyone can be as perfect as you.

That said, have no opinion if the story is true.


25 posted on 08/28/2006 10:23:35 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

This is a highly intelligent woman, probably very assertive, and certainly one who was able to speak her mind.

It's not a matter of perfection, but one of simple common sense.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 10:25:21 AM PDT by zook (McCain/Giuliani/Rice--2 of the 3 in 08!)
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To: zook
I can't figure out why she didn't ask the Imam about what she had heard. I would have.

Doing so would have blown her "cover". The Imam assumed so didn't understand Arabic and coveyed that to the others in the room. As a consequence, they assumed they could speak freely in Arabic without having the rabid conversion "overheard" by someone who might not be sympathetic to the message. She wasn't interested in finishing her day with a cut throat or a flaming gasoline shower.

27 posted on 08/28/2006 10:25:57 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Lorianne

lots of stuff to see when we look for it...:| LOTs of good info here, IMO:

http://www.meforum.org/article/686

"...All ICNA members are organized in small study groups of no more than eight people, called NeighborNets. As in a cult, these cells provide support and reinforcement for new recruits, who may have sought to fill a void in their lives. Its yearly convocations, patterned on the annual Tablighi Jamaat meetings in South Asia, now attract some 15,000 people.[50]"


28 posted on 08/28/2006 10:26:57 AM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem (GWB: 12 Aug 06: "...I ask for your patience, cooperation, and vigilance in the coming days.")
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To: Vision

Thank you for that reminder. Please post it often.


29 posted on 08/28/2006 10:27:25 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
Though I don't doubt for a second that this sort of thing goes on in mosques around the country, something about this article just doesn't ring true for me.

You obviously don't know squat about Laura Mansfield's background. If you did, you wouldn't display your ignorance with your reaction.

30 posted on 08/28/2006 10:27:43 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: zook; Trampled by Lambs; MeanWestTexan
Hi zook-

She likely didn't talk to the Imam because she doesn't want to tip her hand that a caucasian woman seated in the back understands exactly what they're saying in Arabic amongst themselves. If the story happened exactly as narrated, I would encourage her to continue this same practice of attending the "friendly" meetings and arriving "early" to read her books.

~ Blue Jays ~

31 posted on 08/28/2006 10:29:19 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Trampled by Lambs

I agree. She seems to be holding back to me.


32 posted on 08/28/2006 10:29:44 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: CarrotAndStick
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jul202005/editpage177532005719.asp


Terrorism back in full swing
ISI-LeT nexus exposed

By G Parthasarathy

Is India prepared to face the challenge of Pakistan-sponsored terrorism within the country?



Barely a year ago, the former Director General of the ISI, Lt General Hamid Gul, told a friend of mine that the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) had succeeded in establishing over three hundred ‘sleeper cells’ to mount terrorist strikes in towns and cities across India. Similarly, I was also told by a former ISI chief that he was confident that the jihad in Kashmir would be made an issue of faith and religion in the minds of the Muslims of India. Another ISI chief proudly proclaimed that it was the aim of the ISI to “weaken India from within”. He said that he had no doubt that it would succeed in achieving this aim. Amongst the terrorist groups that Pakistan has used in its ‘proxy war’ against India, the Lashkar has played the most dangerous role. It has been involved in the attack on the Red Fort on December 26, 2000, and in several terrorist attacks in Jammu and Kashmir, including the attack on the Corps Headquarters and the State Assembly in Srinagar. It has also attacked the religious complexes in Akshardham and Ayodhya.

Despite continuing evidence of the links between the ISI and the LeT, successive Governments in New Delhi have not developed any coherent strategy to deal with the threat that this organisation poses. What exactly are the aims of the Lashkar-e-Taiba? Its parent body, the Markaz Dawa Al Irshad, was set up in 1987, inspired by the role of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. Like bin Laden, the Markaz received ISI and CIA support to fight Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

Its leader was a professor at the Lahore University of Engineering and Technology, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed. Receiving patronage from the ISI and bin Laden, Saeed had set up a 190-acre complex at Muridhke near Lahore, where he preached hatred of all ‘Kaffirs’, especially “Hindus, Jews and Christians”, who were declared “enemies of Islam”. Around 1996, the ISI started using Lashkar cadres for its ‘jihad’ in Kashmir. Former Pakistan prime minister Nawaz Sharif had great regard for the Lashkar. His information minister, Mushahid Hussain (now secretary general of the pro-Musharraf Pakistan Muslim league), was a regular visitor to Muridhke.


Hafiz Saeed had also vowed that the objective of the LeT was not just to wage a jihad in J&K, but also to create three Muslim homelands, with Pakistan and Jammu and Kashmir constituting one, the Muslims of North India constituting the second and the Muslims of South India forming the third. On February 18, 1996, Hafiz Saeed declared: “The jihad in Kashmir would soon spread to the entire India. Our mujahideen would create three Pakistans in India.”

On October 9, 1997, he claimed that after J&K was liberated, “Indian Muslims should be aroused to rise in revolt against the Indian Union so that India gets disintegrated”. A few months later, in February 1998, Osama bin Laden formed the ‘International Islamic Front for jihad against Jews and Crusaders’, aimed at mounting terrorist strikes against the American and Israeli interests. The Lashkar-e-Taiba became a founding member of this Front and proclaimed that its aim was to “unfurl the green flag of Islam in Washington, Tel Aviv and Delhi”. When the Lashkar-e-Taiba attacked the Red Fort in Delhi, Hafiz Saeed proudly boasted that he had succeeded in unfurling the green flag of Islam in New Delhi. Further, after the recent gunning down of Lashkar terrorists in New Delhi, it is now clear that the potential is being developed to attack targets ranging from Information Technology centres in Bangalore to the Indian Military Academy in Dehra Dun.

Muslim youth from all over the world have been indoctrinated by the LeT to fight against ‘Kaffirs’ all over the world. Its volunteers have fought in Bosnia and Chechnya, and have also joined the resistance against American forces in Iraq. The LeT’s cadres have been arrested in Australia and the United States. There is evidence that the London bomb explosions of July 7 were the handiwork of young men of Pakistani origin who had visited Muridhke.

Despite substantial evidence about the activities of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, neither the United States nor the UK declared it a terrorist organisation until the December 13 attack on India’s Parliament. Both these countries felt that they would be spared the wrath of this organisation by ignoring its terrorist activities in places like India, Bosnia and Chechnya. They also have turned a blind eye to the links that the Lashkar has developed in Saudi Arabia, from where it receives financial support.

Both the US and the UK take a rather charitable attitude when it comes to issues of terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan and terrorist funding from Saudi Arabia. One hopes that they will learn some lessons on this score after the recent arrest of Pakistanis who had been trained by the Lashkar and had settled in California, and also in the light of the July 7 London bomb blasts.

New evidence has now emerged of increased ISI assistance to extremist and terrorist elements. It is well known that extremists of the Babbar Khalsa, including some involved in the assassination of the former Punjab Chief Minister, Mr Beant Singh, function out of the Dera Sahib Gurudwara in Lahore. Inciting Sikh pilgrims with slogans of ‘Khalistan’ has been a continuing feature of Pakistan’s foreign policy. Hence the keenness of General Musharraf for an Amritsar-Lahore bus service.

We are now seeing the revival of Babbar Khalsa activities in India, with bomb blasts in Delhi movie theatres and the reactivation of its armed cadres in Punjab, Haryana and Delhi. This has come along with an increasing infiltration of terrorists across the Line of Control (LoC), despite efforts by India to limit such infiltration by fencing up the LoC and installing sensors along it. Pakistan is now set to step up its assistance to terrorist and separatist groups across India. Is New Delhi ready to meet this challenge?

33 posted on 08/28/2006 10:29:48 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Lorianne
Lorianne, excellent post.

One line really hit me, and it helps to exemplify the fact that Islam's status as a religion has morphed to that of a cult: "Two different doctrines are being promoted."

This is exactly the kind of behavior (aka sales pitch) that a cult would use to garner followers.

The civilized world needs to understand, quickly, that Islam is a movement - a movement as dangerous to our survival as was Nazism. Undoubtedly, it will be just as costly.
34 posted on 08/28/2006 10:29:50 AM PDT by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: ncountylee

Lashkar means "army" in Dari and I suspect as well in Arabic as many Arabic words have migrated to the vernacular of many muslim countries.


35 posted on 08/28/2006 10:30:06 AM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: rellimpank

But not unexpected.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 10:30:13 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: subterfuge
Have a look at her website. She has a lot better handle on Islam and terrorism than most people on FR.
37 posted on 08/28/2006 10:32:52 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Lorianne
Just think of the prize-winning stories arabic-speaking journalists could write by infiltrating mosques in the same way.

< crickets chirping>

38 posted on 08/28/2006 10:33:05 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Lorianne

bump


39 posted on 08/28/2006 10:34:06 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Lorianne

bump


40 posted on 08/28/2006 10:34:19 AM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
I call bullsh*t.

The story questionably ommits the fact the author can apparently understand Arabic.

I agree on the BS meter..

41 posted on 08/28/2006 10:34:35 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: Lorianne

Muslims really like to foster this myth that they preserve family values much better than most Christian denominations, and perhaps, in some instances, they are right. No abortions among Muslims, that is for sure, and infidelity by the female spouse is almost unheard of, and not repeated after being discovered (usually by stoning or decapitating the miscreant wife). Of course, infidelity is defined differently for Muslim males, as they have a number of options not extended to the married females, or even single females, for the most part. Widowed or divorced females are fair game, in any event. The command is, that the forms and rituals of the Islamic ideology must be preserved and carried out every day, without fail, and slackers or truants to these services shall be sought out and physical reminders given them.

And pedophilia, as defined by Westerners, is merely hands-on sex education among Muslims. Incest is excused on the difficulty of finding dates outside your own household, and the girls really have to get around to reproducing sometime before their fifteenth birthday, or else they shall surely be unmarriageable and a burden on the household.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 10:34:35 AM PDT by alloysteel (When in doubt, forge ahead anyway. To outsiders, it looks the same as boldness. Or plain crazy.)
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To: zook
When one doesn't do this, when one tells a story without mentioning the name of the town or the location of the mosque, well, then my BS detector starts to ring a little.

Then what distinguishes you from the "Bush lied about WMDs crowd?"

43 posted on 08/28/2006 10:36:19 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Myrddin

"She wasn't interested in finishing her day with a cut throat or a flaming gasoline shower."

This sounds quite silly. I didn't mean she should open up during the Arabic language session. I meant that after the whole affair was over she could have simply told the Imam that she understood what was being said and asked him about it.

He may have lied about what was said or he might have clarified the meaning. She then could have told her story to the local newspaper.

It would be paranoic for her to imagine that she would need to fear for her life.


44 posted on 08/28/2006 10:38:49 AM PDT by zook (McCain/Giuliani/Rice--2 of the 3 in 08!)
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To: shankbear

> Muzzies... murder civilians whether children or helpless old people. ... Root them out and kill/deport them.


Errrrrrrmmmmm.....


45 posted on 08/28/2006 10:39:06 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Eaker; humblegunner; TheMom; thackney; pax_et_bonum; Xenalyte; dasher; RikaStrom

Why am I not surprised???

I'll say it again...

To reinforce what this woman did, y'all need to find a copy of the book titled:

"Terrorist Hunter"

by "Anonymous"

The author Anonymous is not that anymore, but I highly recommend this book...It begins with aq very compelling story of this womans childhood and escape from Iraq...

How she became an expert on this issue later in life is something that I almost could not put down...

It dovetails right into this thread like it was an exerpt from its pages...

And to think these activities and discussions inside these mosques to this day does not surprise me...


46 posted on 08/28/2006 10:39:50 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: stevie_d_64; Allegra

Dirn it!

Ping...hehehe

Hit post to fast...


47 posted on 08/28/2006 10:41:03 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Myrddin

I'm not saying that it *is* BS, just that to me, it reads like it.

It all just seems too pat. It's hard to explain. I could be completely wrong, I'll admit but still my BS meter is above normal on this one.

Again, I have no problem at all imagining that this sort of thing (and worse) does indeed go on in U.S. mosques.


48 posted on 08/28/2006 10:42:15 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (A storm is coming...)
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To: Lorianne
Khaled and his friends were pretty unhappy about it, and while in New York,
they came up with a plan to "teach a lesson" to the passengers and crew.
...(big snip)...

The others in the room thought the story was quite amusing, judging
from the laughter. The imam stood up and told the group that this
was a kind of peaceful civil disobedience that should be encouraged, and
commended Khaled and his friends for their efforts.


Not suprising at all.
After the London bombings of summer 2005, columnist Steve Lopez
of the Los Angeles Times spent most of a week with the LAPD bomb squad.
He described a situation in which, besides plenty of innocent
false alarms, there seemed to be a lot of these sort of calculated
"civil disobedience" incidents.
One that Lopez described was of a guy acting strange, leaving a box on
an MTA bus after exiting.
Yeah, false alarm.
After the bombing of a London bus...NOT funny.

These peckerwoods are just helping to wear down the defenses in
prepartion for their truly religious Islamist buddies.
Whether that's their intent or not.

If on a jury, in all likelihood, I would NOT vote to convict some
poor airline stewardess or bus driver that has their own "civil disobedience"
demonstration by planting their foot up the backside of one of these
"peaceful" goons.
49 posted on 08/28/2006 10:43:59 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Blue Jays

I would encourage her to be more open. Ask the Imam what he meant when he asked Allah to protect fighters around the world. Did he mean in Afghanistan? Does he include those Islamic soldiers and police fighting to preserve freedom in Iraq?

Were it me, and if I didn't get satisfactory answers, I would have tried to have the information published in my local paper, perhaps contacted the FBI.

What she's doing now, whether fact or fiction, will only spread fear. If her allegations are true, why not do something constructive about it?


50 posted on 08/28/2006 10:44:07 AM PDT by zook (McCain/Giuliani/Rice--2 of the 3 in 08!)
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