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Obesity? This is a job for Supernanny(neo soviet barf alert)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2330255,00.html ^ | 8 27 06 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/28/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Fat is not a feminist issue, as Susie Orbach once claimed. Fat is a class issue. Rich, educated people are not fat; you see almost no children in private schools who are overweight. Fatness and obesity are directly related to lower education and lower incomes. What is sad is that at a time when this country is richer than ever and ought to have better schools than ever, we have far more fat people than ever — a dangerous explosion of flab. Last week the Department of Health issued a report grimly called Forecasting Obesity to 2010 and its findings were grotesque. Within four years, it predicts, a third of all adults — 13m people — will be obese. So will 1m children

Obese means not just podgy, but dangerously, disablingly, distastefully fat, as in American fat.

This is not just shocking; it has also happened shockingly fast. As the report says, a third of all men will be obese by 2010; in 1993 the figure was only — if one can say only of such a large figure — 13%, rising to 24% in 2004.

The same is true of women, although the rate is rising more slowly; 16% were obese in 1993, 24% in 2004, and the trend is expected to rise until 2010. The proportion of boys who were obese stood at 17% in 2003 and is predicted to rise to 19% by 2010, while among girls it is expected to increase more swiftly from 16% to 22%.

This presents an awkward challenge to libertarians. The libertarian assumption is that we should all be free to do what we want, as far as possible, and if some people’s lifestyle choices involve snacking on deep-fried Mars bars and triple-processed cheeseburgers, other people have no business interfering, still less the government.

Besides, there is the embarrassing fact that those who eat and drink junk do so for cheap comfort and because they are either too poor or too ignorant (or both) to prepare healthy food. It doesn’t come well from the consumers of steamed organic asparagus and free-range ducks’ breasts to criticise those who can manage only frozen reconstituted chicken nuggets and sugary baked beans.

However, obesity does not concern only the obese. It concerns all of us. Obese parents produce obese children, and obesity places a crippling burden on the National Health Service, quite apart from the many personal miseries involved. Currently 10% of NHS resources are spent on diabetes (two-thirds of which is the avoidable type 2 associated with obesity) and this could easily double within the next four years to 20%.

This is quite apart from the increased risk among the obese of heart disease and other serious illness. More young people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, something previously seen only in people over 40. In these circumstances even the most swivel-eyed libertarian would probably agree, for once, that something must be done and even perhaps by the government.

Curiously enough, however, in one of the few areas where our ever-intrusive government might for once justifiably intrude, new Labour does almost nothing. Possibly as a result of the ferocious lobbying of the food industry, ministers restrict themselves to making repetitive noises about healthy living and “small changes” that won’t cost anybody anything.

Tony Blair said last month that if the food industry did not agree to limit junk food advertisements by 2007 he would bring in mandatory rules, but he has said that before and more than once. Besides, why not bring them in straight away? His government has persistently ignored the demands of the Commons health select committee for a traffic light system of food labelling, enabling shoppers to make informed choices.

England’s chief medical officer warned in this year’s annual report that public health budgets were being raided to deal with deficits. That is the reality behind government talk of raising public awareness.

I have never been convinced that government health education has any effect. Despite the “five-a-day” campaign, only a quarter of people in England eat vegetables every day. About half of overweight men are in denial; they don’t see themselves as overweight, according to the report.

There is nothing complicated about being thin. Being fat is usually the result of eating too much junk food and taking too little exercise. Being thin means eating much less food, avoiding junk food altogether and taking exercise every day. It may be that nothing can be done about the plague of obesity; there is a growing epidemic in Europe and worldwide. Perhaps affluence is a disease to which only the fortunate few are immune. But if anything could be done about it, it would have to be radical.

Nobody who craves cheap comfort food will willingly give it up. But if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today — people would be forced to eat well. This could be done through taxes or subsidies. Alternatively, you could ration unhealthy food.

There could be a public campaign against fattening food, just as there was against smoking, aimed at making everyone ashamed of consuming anything naughty but nice. I am just as greedy as anyone else but I have come to think of cakes, biscuits, crisps, sweets, white bread and puddings as more or less toxic. Foods like this should have health warnings — “cake can kill”. They are not just unnecessary, empty calories; they interfere with your blood sugar levels, affect your appetite and your mood; they may even induce food addiction. The same applies to alcohol: more than a modest amount makes you fat, interferes with your mood and is often addictive.

Just as there would need to be financial incentives to eat well, there should also be inducements to take exercise. The cost should be subsidised or declarable against tax. Employers should be required to give workers time off to go to the gym or jog. We could imitate the Japanese and have mass group exercises at work every day.

And that is the problem. Obesity, one of the trials of affluence, can be solved only, if at all, by the kind of interventionism that has been discredited by the failure of socialism. Liberty is indivisible; it belongs to the ignorant and the low paid just as much as to anyone else. Perhaps obesity is one of the many prices of liberty. Fat is a freedom issue.


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To: freepatriot32

add me to libertarian list please


21 posted on 08/28/2006 11:32:43 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: najida

<:-O


22 posted on 08/28/2006 11:32:54 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Xenalyte
Fresh produce and meat costs far less than the prepackaged frozen stuff..

Produce (even though it's August) and meat (even hamburger) cost a fortune around here. Pasta, potatoes and bread are cheap. And you'll get fat on them. Stouffer's frozen stuff is expensive, but Banquet frozen dinners go for $1 apiece; their potpies are $.69.

23 posted on 08/28/2006 11:34:19 AM PDT by maryz
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To: najida

That's the truth! Many Hispanic children have to have sealants because mama doesn't listen when Doc tells her not to put baby down with a milk bottle! And, they are rotund in the extreme, as well!


24 posted on 08/28/2006 11:34:29 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: maryz

Banquet is probably more caloric-correct than tortillas and frijoles.


25 posted on 08/28/2006 11:36:11 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: PCBMan

It takes about five minutes of actual work -- as long as you use a microwave (so you don't have to worry about it burning to the bottom of the pot) and take some basic precautions against boiling over (don't fill it too high or put the lid on tight), it can be left unattended to simmer.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 11:37:24 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: freepatriot32
Actually, if the liberals are right, poor people should be thin--as in starved! Next time you go to the grocery store, get behind someone using a food stamp card and take a gander at what he/she puts on the conveyor belt. Betcha a paycheck there's plenty of expensive high caloric and starchy items and very few vegetables and fruit.
27 posted on 08/28/2006 11:37:26 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: najida

No ... the essential foodgroups are coffee, beer, peanuts, and beef jerky.


28 posted on 08/28/2006 11:39:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: meandog

ok your added tot he libertarian list now


29 posted on 08/28/2006 11:39:16 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

Absolutely! Government money (after all they print it!) and regulation are the answer to ALL things! (/sarc)


30 posted on 08/28/2006 11:39:19 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: Froufrou

You know you're in redneck country when you watch Mama fill up the baby's bottle with Dr Pepper.


31 posted on 08/28/2006 11:40:28 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: freepatriot32
In these circumstances even the most swivel-eyed libertarian would probably agree, for once, that something must be done and even perhaps by the government. Curiously enough, however, in one of the few areas where our ever-intrusive government might for once justifiably intrude, new Labour does almost nothing.

Obesity, one of the trials of affluence, can be solved only, if at all, by the kind of interventionism that has been discredited by the failure of socialism. Liberty is indivisible; it belongs to the ignorant and the low paid just as much as to anyone else. Perhaps obesity is one of the many prices of liberty.

So which is it? Something must be done by government, or government should do nothing?

The author just wanted to write an article in which she got to call people fatass deadbeat ignoramuses.

32 posted on 08/28/2006 11:41:03 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Xenalyte
You know you're in redneck country when you watch Mama fill up the baby's bottle with Dr Pepper.

Lightweights, Momma Slim started me on RC Cola, and I teethed on Moon Pies.

33 posted on 08/28/2006 11:41:47 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Where did I leave my matches?)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I always thought they were
Chocolate, butter, sugar and salt!


34 posted on 08/28/2006 11:42:30 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

For belching contests, NOTHING tops RC.

(Although Monster Lo-Carb came pretty close for me, over the weekend. Several guys high-fived me.)


35 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:00 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: Xenalyte

HiC around 'here.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:01 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: Froufrou
OTOH, it has everything to do with the insurance industry. There are already employers who refuse to hire the overweight and/or smokers. It's more expensive to insure them than 'healthy' people.

Sounds like a pretty good solution to me. Companies have a financial interest in having healthy productive employees, so it only makes good sense to hire people who are likely to remain healthy and productive in the long term and those who don't like it can either find work somewhere else or change their lifestyles.

37 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:11 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: freepatriot32
It doesn’t come well from the consumers of steamed organic asparagus and free-range ducks’ breasts to criticise those who can manage only frozen reconstituted chicken nuggets and sugary baked beans.

Organic foods and free range chickens, I guess this author is a lib. My favorite thing to do to these organic only people is to explain that by not eating GMO's they are helping to ensure starvation around the globe. Because GMO's grow in places where normal vegetables cannot and produce higher yields per amount of water, fertilizer, and general plant care. Talk about making a liberal squirm, I have seen heads explode.
38 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:12 AM PDT by xpertskir (Shave the Whales)
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To: freepatriot32

Fat people had no foresight and didn't stand up for smokers. In fact, some of the most psychotic antismoking zealots were fat people. So now they get to enjoy the machine they created.


39 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:12 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Xenalyte

Frostie Root Beer is another good bet.


40 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:59 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Where did I leave my matches?)
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