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The First Post-Macaca GOP '08 Straw Poll (Allen Craters to 11.5%)
Red State.com ^ | 8.27.06 | machiavel

Posted on 08/28/2006 11:23:42 AM PDT by gopwinsin04

The results of the latest GOP Bloggers straw poll are in. The poll was posted on the Red State homepage over the weekend, and first-choice results are as follows (full results with RS results in parentheses).

Giuliani 24.6% (22.0%) Gingrich 21.1% (19.5%) Romney 12.8% (15.8%) Allen 11.5% (11.3%) Tancredo 6.7% (4.5%) McCain 6.4% (6.7%) Hagel 2.8% (3.3%) Brownback 2.5% (3.2%) Huckabee 1.5% (1.8%) Frist 1.1% (0.9%) Pataki 0.3% (0.3%)Read on...

The Macaca incident has clearly devastated Allen’s numbers in the blogosphere, his stronghold. He used to have sky-high favorability, largely because he hadn’t done anything to offend anyone. He also used to run first or second (tangling with Giuliani) with 20% to 30% in polls like this. Once undefined, he has now been defined in a hugely negative way, dropping to fourth with 11.5% support.

The only true direct comparison is the results for individual blogs. From July to August, Allen dropped 23.9% in net favorability among RedState readers. RealClearPolitics also ran the poll both months – and probably has an audience that’s even more plugged-in politically than RedState. On that site, Allen dropped an astonishing 41.6% points in a month, and now has 6.5% first place votes. Allen probably still retains some “true-believer” support among the more conservative sites of the blogosphere. Let’s see if that holds up.

Who’s the new conservative “it” candidate? Newt! The conservative mantle has shifted to Newt over the last few months. He got a huge boost last month for being all over the Israel-Hezbollah war. Allen’s implosion has given Newt’s people a reason to stick around, at least for a while. Vis Numar makes this development the headline, but inaccurately notes that his numbers went from +1% to +40% in a month. That was actually from a poll taken earlier in the year, but it highlights how far Newt has come.

Bottom line: It looks like Newt’s decision to stay out the race until November of ’07 could throw the race into some turmoil, with all the major campaigns calculating what happens if Newt gets in. He’s clearly trying to play kingmaker and anoint the preferred conservative if he doesn’t run, and numbers like this suggest he could pull it off.

Giuliani and Romney show positive movement. There’s a consistent pattern of Romney and Giuliani momentum among a few of the bigger blogs participating in the poll. Among RedState readers, Romney moved up a net 10.9% and Giuliani a net 10.8% in acceptability. On RealClearPolitics, Romney moved up 18.9% to Giuliani’s 12.5%. On Blogs for Bush, Giuliani moved up 22.8% and Romney was up 14.8%.

McCain supporters love Giuliani and Giuliani supporters are pretty fond of Romney – handy reference should either of the two offline frontrunners falter.

Men and boys by AcademicElephant Looks like the men are being seperated from the boys--but I'm still having trouble getting excited about any of them.

"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008polls; allen; allen2008; brownback; frist; gingrich; giuliani; giuliani2008; gop; hagel; huckabee; mccain; pataki; redstate; romney; tancredo
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To: wouldntbprudent

If non-serious name calling once can cause a person to change their vote choice then they are not very serious thinking people to begin with and their gauge for choosing a president is superficial. Having said that, I don't think such people even put forth the effort to go vote.


41 posted on 08/28/2006 12:09:20 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Beagle8U

Yeah, if this is all the 'Rats can come up with, Allen is unstoppable and my guess is that they know it. My prediction for 2008 is Allen as the nominee with Guiliani as his running mate.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 12:10:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

The list of potentials is depressing. You or I could do as well as that bunch.


Of course, it's even more depressing on the Dem side.



This may be an historical election... The worst choice of any Presidential election in history.


43 posted on 08/28/2006 12:10:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: gopwinsin04; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...
You'll pardon my skepticism regardind your assessment of Allen, particularly since you don't know the process well enough to know that Arnold will never be President without a change in the Constitution.

This poll is worthless. And it's not helpful in our efforts to get Allen reelected to the Senate.

I don't give a rat's clymer if he's your candidate for 08. But we need him in the Senate.

44 posted on 08/28/2006 12:11:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: colorado tanker

I think that's exactly it. He isn't ready for the Big Show.


45 posted on 08/28/2006 12:11:39 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: wagglebee
Is anybody even going to remember this let alone care when the primaries come around?

The MSM will work overtime to ensure they do. From now on there will be few if any articles or news reports that do not have "macaca" or "racist" within ten "words of Sen. Allen of Virginia."

Its what they do best.

46 posted on 08/28/2006 12:12:02 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: gopwinsin04

No more Bushes. Put a Bush anywhere on the ticket and its a loser.


47 posted on 08/28/2006 12:13:58 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: gopwinsin04

The "Macaca" remark did not bother me. The groveling after the remark infuriated me. His betrayal of Southern Heritage is also very troubling. The man has no Core Convictions and will backtrack when confronted. IOW, he's gutless.


48 posted on 08/28/2006 12:14:43 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: JCEccles

That's fine too, Allen can address it more often and even joke about it. In two years, people will come to see it as a joke and ignore it. For example, the media tried everything they could to make sKerry look like a big "war hero" and it failed miserably, the more they said it, they more ridiculous it sounded -- this will be the same thing, just in reverse.


49 posted on 08/28/2006 12:14:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: gopwinsin04

Why is anyone wasting money doing a poll on the week before Labor Day?

No one but us is thinking about that stuff right now...


50 posted on 08/28/2006 12:15:45 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: BnBlFlag
His betrayal of Southern Heritage is also very troubling.

Fascinating.

He gets hit from the left because of a Confederate flag he used to have on display and from the "right" because he's betrayed Southern Heritage.

51 posted on 08/28/2006 12:17:43 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: chuckles

"What the hell is a Macaca? Is it found in a diaper?"


Yes.
In the diaper of any tar baby.


52 posted on 08/28/2006 12:17:51 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: wagglebee
" My prediction for 2008 is Allen as the nominee with Guiliani as his running mate."

Allen will win a 2nd term in the Senate, and he will be the nominee in 2008, but Rudy Julie Annie will be nowhere on the ticket.
53 posted on 08/28/2006 12:18:03 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: Brilliant
This may be an historical election... The worst choice of any Presidential election in history.

And it's not a very good time in our history for that to happen.

54 posted on 08/28/2006 12:18:39 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The moving finger writes and, having writ, moves on......)
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To: gopwinsin04
Giuliani tops the list, as always.

What a shame about George Allen.

55 posted on 08/28/2006 12:19:10 PM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Romney is one of the most honorable men out there. He is pro-life and against the fruits changing the definition of marriage. Some of us don't appreciate such unjustified ad hominem attacks.
56 posted on 08/28/2006 12:19:36 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: wagglebee
I wish that were true. I like Allen. I think this is beyond ridiculous. But Allen is not a Democrat. He can't say even the most innocuous thing that some idiot might claim was "racist" and get a free pass.

Now, if he were a Democrat he could be openly, genuinely, and screamingly racist and get a pass.

57 posted on 08/28/2006 12:19:55 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Beagle8U
...even the RATS know that now.

That's the reason they're giving her the nomination, huh? They really, secretly down deep looooove the Republicans being in charge? Yeah, uh, huh.

58 posted on 08/28/2006 12:22:06 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Romney is RINO scum?

Supports gay rights (aside from marriage) - STRIKE ONE

Supports legal abortion - STRIKE TWO

Signed state Assault Weapons Ban into law, supports federal AWB - STRIKE THREE

He's a non-starter in my book, as far as the presidency goes.

59 posted on 08/28/2006 12:22:12 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I ha' da Steve Nash DO befo' Steve Nash DID)
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To: veronica
Giuliani tops the list, as always.

Is that in drag, our out?

When he forced to admit and defend his pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-family, anti-Second Amendment desires, his support will drop like a rock down a well.

60 posted on 08/28/2006 12:23:18 PM PDT by JCEccles
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