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Painter Said to Be Focus of FBI Probe (Thomas Kinkade)
Los Angeles Times ^ | August 29, 2006 | Kim Christiensen

Posted on 08/29/2006 2:34:35 PM PDT by Cecily

The FBI is investigating allegations that self-styled "Painter of Light" Thomas Kinkade and some of his top executives fraudulently induced investors to open galleries and then ruined them financially, former dealers contacted by federal agents said.

Investigators are focusing on issues raised in civil litigation by at least six former Thomas Kinkade Signature Gallery owners, people who have been contacted by the FBI said.

ADVERTISEMENTThe ex-owners allege in arbitration claims that, among other things, the artist known for his dreamily luminous landscapes and street scenes used his Christian faith to persuade them to invest in the independently owned stores, which sell only Kinkade's work.

"They really knew how to bait the hook," said one former dealer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case. "They certainly used the Christian hook."

Kinkade has denied the allegations in the civil litigation.

Two former dealers told the Los Angeles Times that they had been asked to provide documentation of their business relationships with Kinkade's company. They said agents asked for copies of dealer agreements, retail sales policies, training materials from "Thomas Kinkade University" and correspondence, including e-mail.

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1 posted on 08/29/2006 2:34:36 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Cecily

2 posted on 08/29/2006 2:37:43 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: Cecily
used his Christian faith to persuade them to invest in the independently owned stores, which sell only Kinkade's work.

uhnnn...so, what, if he used black magic, it would've been OK?

I mean, wtf?

Now, having said that, I will say that the one or two times I wandered into one of those galleries I thought they were way over done, a little high on the snob-appeal, and really kinda weird.

It was better when he was just a painter. Who knows what sorta stuff his promoters did in his name, anyway.

3 posted on 08/29/2006 2:39:09 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hack for liberty.)
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To: Cecily

The prices were too high. That's was the gallery problem. Beautiful work, sure. But they were prints, not originals.


4 posted on 08/29/2006 2:40:36 PM PDT by King Black Robe
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To: Cecily

Looks like he may have played the Christian angle to further his career.

He'd make a good Democrat politician.


5 posted on 08/29/2006 2:41:04 PM PDT by digger48
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To: fishtank

Coming Soon:

The Thomas Kinkade Prison Series...


"Kinkade's Paintings of Prisons from Prison!"


6 posted on 08/29/2006 2:41:58 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Liz; Joe 6-pack; woofie; vannrox; giotto; iceskater; Conspiracy Guy; Dolphy; Intolerant in NJ; ...

Art ping


7 posted on 08/29/2006 2:42:23 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: fishtank

I've got a mansion just over the hilltop,
in that bright land where we'll never grow old.....

Lay up for yourselves treasures in Heaven...


8 posted on 08/29/2006 2:43:33 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: Cecily

I suspect the LA Times inserted the Christian part to emphasize the use of hate-speech tactics according to the experts in hate-speech at the LATimes. The paintings are indeed beautiful. I own a couple of replicas.


9 posted on 08/29/2006 2:43:42 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Cecily
>Thomas Kinkade and some of his top executives fraudulently induced investors to open galleries and then ruined them financially

"The Bob Ross method
is a wet-on-wet technique
involving no fraud . . ."








10 posted on 08/29/2006 2:44:25 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: the invisib1e hand
I've always wondered about the sheer volume of paintings he's produced. Figured he must have a team of artists doing work under his name.

(Of course, I used to wonder the same thing about Stephen King. "Here's the idea, now fill in the holes.")

11 posted on 08/29/2006 2:44:45 PM PDT by scan59 (No matter where you go, there you are.)
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To: Sam Cree

wow !art! ...and I was beginning to think we are a culturally bereft nation


12 posted on 08/29/2006 2:45:06 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Cecily

He might shift from Painter of Light to Painter of $


13 posted on 08/29/2006 2:46:27 PM PDT by woofie
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To: fishtank

As always, his paintings lack logic.

1. It is the middle of the day and the sun is shining, but the streetlight is burning and so is every light in the house.

2. The foliage and flowers indicate the season is late spring or summer (and presumably warm outside), but a fire is burning inside the house (see chimmney smoke).


I think it is all Kinkade's little joke.


14 posted on 08/29/2006 2:46:28 PM PDT by Cecily (`)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"uhnnn...so, what, if he used black magic, it would've been OK?"

That wasn't meant as an attack on Christianity, I don't think, more an observation of the use of it for a questionable commecrial purpose.

15 posted on 08/29/2006 2:47:07 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Cecily

Its really Global Warming that he is painting


16 posted on 08/29/2006 2:47:58 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie
"and I was beginning to think we are a culturally bereft nation:

bereft...yeah...

17 posted on 08/29/2006 2:48:13 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Cecily

Christ is not a commodity. Using Christianity to hawk one's wares is roughly akin to the money changers in the temple and we all know how that turned out.

Christians need to start focusing on Christ in our own lives and quit using him as a "social thing."


18 posted on 08/29/2006 2:48:25 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: theFIRMbss

Better than sleeping pills or acupuncture. The most relaxing Sunday afternoon activity on the planet.

Sigh. I miss Bob "happy little trees" Ross.


19 posted on 08/29/2006 2:50:20 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Sam Cree

So what? Let's say I'm a Druid, and I want to sell gizmos and I know the people I'm trying to sell them to are Druids, and I go to them and say: "Hey, I'm a Druid, too!" in order curry their favor and further my sales.

So, what's wrong with that, morally - much less legally? What am I missing here?


20 posted on 08/29/2006 2:51:20 PM PDT by Pravious
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To: woofie
He might shift from Painter of Light to Painter of $

From the Painter of Light to the Printer of License Plates.

21 posted on 08/29/2006 2:51:44 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
The Thomas Kinkade Prison Series...


22 posted on 08/29/2006 2:52:12 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: pollyannaish

Well, some of the greatest art in the world is based on the events in the Bible and Biblical figures. I don't think too many of those artists got rich, though. They didn't mass produce their paintings either.


23 posted on 08/29/2006 2:52:14 PM PDT by Cecily (`)
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To: pollyannaish

I see no evidence presented that Christianity was used in any way to sell anything. This is the LATimes reporting here.


24 posted on 08/29/2006 2:52:23 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Cecily

I do not seem to recall Michael Angelo selling his art is strip centers.


25 posted on 08/29/2006 2:56:05 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: the invisib1e hand
The point is that he "created a relationship of trust" intended to lead them to invest money in galleries he knew were bad investments. I don't know the law surrounding this issue well, but it could be significant.

Now, having said that, I will say that the one or two times I wandered into one of those galleries I thought they were way over done, a little high on the snob-appeal, and really kinda weird.

Snob appeal? I doubt there is one serious art snob who has anything but total derision for his work.

26 posted on 08/29/2006 2:56:07 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Cecily

Kinkade is a one-trick pony.


27 posted on 08/29/2006 2:56:30 PM PDT by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: pollyannaish

"Sigh. I miss Bob "happy little trees" Ross."

Did he pass away?

My oldest son, who is now 23, used to watch him on PBS. My son was 5 or 6 at the time, and he'd sit there mezmerized.

He did have about the most soothing tone I've heard on television.


28 posted on 08/29/2006 2:58:23 PM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Pravious

If you find that Christianity is properly used by questionable characters, or even upright people, as a sales tool, you are not missing anything. Go for it.


29 posted on 08/29/2006 2:59:21 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: theFIRMbss

LOL

I used to love watching his show on public access.

Does that make me old?


30 posted on 08/29/2006 2:59:53 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: Cecily
I need to clarify my statement I think. I am CERTAINLY not against Christian subjects. In fact some of the greatest art of all time is Christian/Biblical. In fact some of my favorite paintings are of religious subjects.

What I am against is the secret handshake, wink, wink and nod some Christians use to sell their wares. "Hey, I'm a Christian...sell my stuff." It strikes me as shallow and cheapens the Message. It's about Christian cronyism, not spiritual nurturing.

I have no knowledge of Kinkade's spiritual journey and frankly it is none of my business. However, I have never understood the Christian angle in regard to his paintings. I guess its the same principle as "slapping a cross" on the side of a building doesn't make it a church.

Is that any clearer?

I also want to make it clear that while I personally am not a fan of Kinkade's style, I believe art should bring joy to people. So if you are a fan and you enjoy his work...I support that 100%.
31 posted on 08/29/2006 3:00:50 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: bruin66

I never got the whole Thomas Kinkade thing.

As far as painters of light go....I'll take Maxfield Parish hands down.


32 posted on 08/29/2006 3:02:27 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Neoliberalnot
Good point.

I should also rework my response to say IF CHRISTIANITY is being used to hawk his wares...

You know, it drives me nuts. I hate the press, distrust almost everything...and still fall for it. Doh!
33 posted on 08/29/2006 3:03:33 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: brownsfan
Yes, he died in 1995. Although Bob Ross incorporated apparently lives on.

Mesmerized is exactly right. Some form of evil painters mind control. LOL.
34 posted on 08/29/2006 3:06:38 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Cecily

So I guess Barnum is proved correct, yet again.

I realize there is a some kind of cult around Kinkade's paintings or prints or whatever, but I would sooner put a velvet Elvis on my wall than one of those creepy looking "luminescence scenes". I guess it takes all kinds.


35 posted on 08/29/2006 3:06:48 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Cecily
As always, his paintings lack logic. 1. It is the middle of the day and the sun is shining, but the streetlight is burning and so is every light in the house. 2. The foliage and flowers indicate the season is late spring or summer (and presumably warm outside), but a fire is burning inside the house (see chimmney smoke).

You've never lived in England. All those can be true there. It is often heavily overcast with intermittant rain with an occasional break in the clouds that lets bright sun through for a few minutes. The lights can be on in the day because of that cloud cover. Even though it ay be late spring, with flowers in full bloom, it can still be cold enough to need a fire in the fireplace (and some people still use an AGA combined cook stove/central heating).

36 posted on 08/29/2006 3:07:07 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Cecily
see chimmney smoke

Maybe it's the water heater? (just joking)

37 posted on 08/29/2006 3:09:26 PM PDT by SteamShovel
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To: fishtank

I never equated this guy's paintings to Christianity. So that was news to me. He was (and is) just some guy who paints paintings to make a buck. Just like everyone else on earth. Get in line and take a number I guess.


38 posted on 08/29/2006 3:09:53 PM PDT by ichabodcrane
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To: Cecily
so is every light in the house

It is illogical, isn't it? The lights wouldn't even show in the daytime, would they?

His work always reminded me of a box of crayons.

39 posted on 08/29/2006 3:11:21 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: trumandogz
I do not seem to recall Michael Angelo selling his art is strip centers.

Really?
Were you aware that Michelangelo faked (his own) sculptures to look ancient as a means to promote his move, during the political upheavals in Florence, to Rome and immortality?

Not all that far removed...

From Wikepedia, "In that year a marble Cupid by Michelangelo was treacherously sold to Cardinal Raffaele Riario as an ancient piece: the prelate discovered the cheat, but was so impressed by the quality of the sculpture that he invited the artist to Rome..."

40 posted on 08/29/2006 3:12:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961

Okay Thanks, but Kinkaide is not art.


41 posted on 08/29/2006 3:14:03 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: mockingbyrd
As far as painters of light go....I'll take Maxfield Parish hands down.

Well, that's really an unfair comparison.
The "master of light" seems to have totally neglected the parallel world of shadows.

He seems to have gotten to a point, technically, and then stopped learning.

42 posted on 08/29/2006 3:16:30 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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1. It is the middle of the day and the sun is shining, but the streetlight is burning and so is every light in the house.

The owner of the house probably drives a Canyonero (top of the line in utility sports, unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!)

2. The foliage and flowers indicate the season is late spring or summer (and presumably warm outside), but a fire is burning inside the house (see chimmney smoke).

Further contributing to global warming.

43 posted on 08/29/2006 3:17:34 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Cecily

What a bummer. Next, I'll find out that my "Dogs Playing Poker" painting is a forgery, and not a genuine Rembrandt.


44 posted on 08/29/2006 3:20:48 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: fishtank

This story will make many in the MSM smile. They never cared for any of his work because cynics can't handle innocence. According to the cynic, innocence is too weak and childish. I remember 60 minutes hinting that this guy wasn't a real artist. The Left's elitists will also smile at this story because any artist who attempts to lift/encourage the masses just can't be an "authentic" artist. Ah...I'm listening to the academic elitist laugh while he celebrates another threatening artist taken down. Kinkade should have practiced some of the innocence he tried to capture in his work. Another example where Christianity and fat egos don't mix.


45 posted on 08/29/2006 3:28:26 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: trumandogz
Art is in the eye of the beholder. Critics often choose to "control" what art is the way "diamonds" are controlled.

Kinkade obviously connects with a lot of people. Since art is about communication, it seems to be doing well now, even if it doesn't connect with me personally. But Rockwell does...and he is widely derided (although less so now). It will be interesting to see if Kinkade's work continues to connect with future generations.
46 posted on 08/29/2006 3:33:35 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: trumandogz
Okay Thanks, but Kinkaide is not art.

Never said it was. I was simply responding to your "strip mall" attempt at condescension.
But if you crave contention, how about let's discuss Arkhip Kuinji and strip malls?

47 posted on 08/29/2006 3:39:12 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: All
I thought the Boulder City police interviewed and cleared the Ramsey's house painter. Does the FBI have new evidence? How could've the Boulder PD gotten it so wrong? Does the DNA match? Is Greta Sensational gonna answer my questions tonight?

What gives?

48 posted on 08/29/2006 3:40:08 PM PDT by Tinian
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To: King Black Robe

The one I visited had actual dabs of paint here and there on the litho then placed in a heavily oil scented frame. It smacked a little bit of ....(???) to me ...


49 posted on 08/29/2006 3:40:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: scan59

The cartoonist Garry Tredeau (?sp) did just that ... he gave ideas to cartoonists and told them how to draw them ... he didn't do the actual artwork himself.


50 posted on 08/29/2006 3:41:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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