A North American United Nations? (Ron Paul)

House.gov ^ | August 28, 2006 | Ron Paul

[sinkspur]

Paul is turning into a conspiracy kook.

[DoughtyOne]

No I haven't seen those statistics. I'm sure there are many such regulations. I DO NOT consider that a good thing.

There are far too many regulations from a through z and beyond, and this is the reason why.

When a representative has to stand up and defend new regulations, that's when you and I get a chance to affect the process. With NGOs, we get nothing but the shaft.

[Ben Ficklin]

SPP and FTAA are unrelated, but if and when FTAA kicks of, security issues will have to be addressed.

[DoughtyOne]

Seriously Ben, do you see an SPP as a benefit to our nation when we can't even get our own borders under control? Our borders are not under control and now we want to add a corrupt government to the south and drug cartel pressures to the equasion. This is like our worst immigration, border and homeland security nightmare squared.

The ultimate goal is to relax our border crossings between the United States and our two neighbors. How we could get more relaxed is beyond me, but that's the goal.

I do not support this.

[1rudeboy]

. . . that little guy who ran for President and talked about the "giant sucking sound"...was right.

You might think he was correct, but the rest of us are wondering how many more decades we have to wait to see it.

[hedgetrimmer]

MYTH The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty

The SPP is a TRINATIONAL organization, that is paid for by US taxpayers which an AGENCY of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

It is NOT SOVEREIGN because it is a TRINATIONAL agency.

In addition, it MODIFIES OUR SOVEREIGNTY by bypassing the authority of Congress to write laws, because it is a REGULATORY AGENCY.

[hedgetrimmer]

Since when do U.S. citizens EVER have a chance to vote something down?

It ain't a republic, when a trinational agency writes regulations for the American people.

[1rudeboy]

Here is the link to the previous thread.

[1rudeboy]

That's right, you should write them. All hail!

[stainlessbanner]

Thanks 1rudeboy - I did a search and turned up nothing.

[1rudeboy]

I searched 'all words' under 'post time,' and "united nations north american." My experience is that searching under 'relevance' (which is the default) is practically useless.

[hedgetrimmer]

What an idiotic thing to say.

[1rudeboy]

Let me run a little bit of advanced Civics past you. Who, generally, writes regulations in our form of government?

[Ben Ficklin]

The Prez can address this administratively, but until Congress gets involved and appropriates some money, it doesn't amount to much.

And Congress has to put immigration reform in place before they can deal with SPP.

[hedgetrimmer]

The president is acting extra-constitutionally.

The power to organize the executive branch. Congress has the authority to create, abolish, reorganize, and fund federal departments and agencies. It has the authority to assign or reassign functions to departments and agencies, and grant new forms of authority and staff to administrators. Congress, in short, exercises ultimate authority over executive branch organization and generally over policy.

Congressional oversight manual http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL30240.pdf

That agency, the SPP, should not have been created, nor funded unless Congress authorized it.

[DoughtyOne]

Ben, the United States should be responsible for it's own safety and sovereignty. That's the long and short of it. If Mexico and Canada want to increas their security, I'm all for it, but if they don't, I could care less. If they want to implode or sink into the primordial muck, I shouldn't have to give a damn.

If we want to be safe, all we have to do is get our borders under control and stop letting people immigrate or even travel here from terrorist states.

The explanation for joining of our security, is preposterous. It's unsupportable for people who wish our nation to be sovereign, for our Constitution to continue to mean something.

[lawdog]

We have zero ability to control the corrupt oligarchy referred to as Mexico..and we never will short of a military invasion. However, Mexico has adversely impacted the U.S.

[Ben Ficklin]

What does "extra-constitutional" mean?

[Ben Ficklin]

This is like two different conversations.

As I might try to discuss the desirability of securing the supply chains that come with a world market economy in a post 9-11 world, your probably thinking about the "chi coms" operating a port and find it a threat.

You have been overtaken by time.

[1rudeboy]

Whatever she wants it to mean. [chuckle]