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9/11: Five years later Typecasting Muslims as a Race
The San Francisco Chronicle ^ | September 3, 2006 | Matthai Chakko Kuruvila, Chronicle Religion Writer

Posted on 09/03/2006 10:56:41 PM PDT by Tamar1973

As the war on terror heads into its sixth year, a new racial stereotype is emerging in America. Brown-skinned men with beards and women with head scarves are seen as "Muslims" -- regardless of their actual faith or nationality.

Law enforcement measures, politicians, religious leaders and the media have contributed to stereotyping Muslims as a race -- echoing the painful history of another faith.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fifthanniversary; islam; mooselimbs; race; security; war; wot
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To: Junior_G
That's funny...terrorists and muslims seem to get the meanings confused as well.

Terrorists do. Muslims don't.

Eric Rudolph confused his terrorism with Christianity. Decent Christians understood there was a difference.

41 posted on 09/04/2006 1:18:48 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

Turkey is on its way towards being a poorer Saudi Arabia. At this point it is only a matter of time, the trend is clear.

Name a "Muslim" country that is becoming less Muslim in its practices?

Again, they are all drifting towards the same result.

So it is really only a matter of time on which "choice" I would be tolerated in before it would come to a head.


42 posted on 09/04/2006 1:19:49 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: zimdog
You wrote, "In any case, criticizing the Spanish Inquisition is hardly "Christian-bashing" is it?"

That's a complete non sequitur, given that the usual argument a Christian basher makes starts with the Inquisition example and then works forward in history to Eric Rudolph and his abortionist-murdering pals. So it isn't 'hardly' Christian bashing, it is Christian bashing, straight-up and direct.
43 posted on 09/04/2006 1:20:02 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: zimdog

Your guess is as good as mine. But your guess will be an uninformed one.


44 posted on 09/04/2006 1:20:53 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I mean the real Inquisition, but the article makes a good point that mob rule and state courts in Christian countries were at many times even harder on Europe's (and the Americas') Jews and Muslims. Thanks for pointing that out.


45 posted on 09/04/2006 1:23:04 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Unless and until significant numbers of Muslims start speaking out against terrorism in toto and loudly, publicly repudiating the terrible violence done to innocents in the name of their faith, I view them all with suspicion and loathing.

That's been the case for quite some time. The media (especially the Jihad Media) doesn't cover it so well, and you're probably not combing the papers and the internet looking for examples. Expect to see quite a few in the next week as we approach the anniversary of 9-11.

46 posted on 09/04/2006 1:25:40 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: DB
Name a "Muslim" country that is becoming less Muslim in its practices?

If a Muslim country becomes increasingly "less Muslim", it will cease to be a Muslim country, no? That then renders the question moot.

I think what you meant to ask for is a Muslims country that is not Islamist. Turkey for now, although I don't expect the Turks will slide towards theocracy. Morocco is one, although the monarchy's pace of democratic reform is glacial. Albania, I believe. Senegal and Mali are becoming more Muslim (in that the percentage of citizens who are Muslims has been steadily increasing over the last century) and also more democratic. Albania is the same way, coming out from a long Maoist shadow of official atheism. Bangladesh, although I'm not too sure about that one. And for all their problems, the Lebanese will rebuild their country again.

Again, they are all drifting towards the same result.

You seem to believe that a Muslim majority makes for an inevitable theocracy. That's your opinion, but the facts are against you.

47 posted on 09/04/2006 1:36:30 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Finny
Your guess is as good as mine. But your guess will be an uninformed one.

No, it's simple logic: Giving up your freedom makes you less secure, not more. We won't lock ourselves away know and we shouldn't have locked Americans of Japanese ancestry away in the 1940s.

48 posted on 09/04/2006 1:39:01 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Rembrandt_fan
That's a complete non sequitur, given that the usual argument a Christian basher makes starts with the Inquisition example and then works forward in history to Eric Rudolph and his abortionist-murdering pals. So it isn't 'hardly' Christian bashing, it is Christian bashing, straight-up and direct.

So criticizing the Spanish Inquisition and criticizing the terrorist Eric Rudolph is "Christian-bashing"? Come on...

49 posted on 09/04/2006 1:41:11 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

Apion was an Egyptian.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1641&letter=A


50 posted on 09/04/2006 1:44:52 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Rembrandt_fan

Please understand that I'm not saying Christianity is inherently anti-Semetic (or pro-terrorist, etc.). Nor am I saying that all Christians are anti-Semites, terrorists, etc. I am saying that Christians (self-proclaimed Christians at least) have been terrorizing Jews since before the crusades and some (David Duke, for example) continue to do so today. That's not Chritian bashing.


51 posted on 09/04/2006 1:45:37 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: DaveTesla

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. (As much as you can "thank" anyone for bringing anit-Semitism to your attention...) I only skimmed it, but it seems that Apion was not a Christian.


52 posted on 09/04/2006 1:49:07 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Finny
Unfortunately, you are correct. Recently, their have been several Islamic leaders who have, unabashedly, "offered" us the alternative of becoming Muslim, otherwise we face destruction. The "conversion" of Centanni and Wigg is their "model"---it's their ultimate goal.
53 posted on 09/04/2006 2:09:42 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: zimdog
So criticizing the Spanish Inquisition and criticizing the terrorist Eric Rudolph is "Christian-bashing"? Come on...

You can try to dodge it, but the thematic undertones of your posts are clear. Eric Rudolph's name is typically invoked by people who want to equate the scourge of thousands of Muslim terrorists with the relatively insignificant non-threat of the one Christian terrorist they can think of. It's one of those "b-b-but Christians are just as likely to commit violence as Muslims" things.

54 posted on 09/04/2006 2:12:46 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: zimdog
I am saying that Christians (self-proclaimed Christians at least) have been terrorizing Jews since before the crusades...That's not Chritian bashing.

This is rich.

55 posted on 09/04/2006 2:14:48 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G

Frankly, it's anti-Semitic to deny that there was a great deal of anti-Semitism in Christian Europe for over 1000 years.


56 posted on 09/04/2006 2:16:53 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
Whatever makes you think that David Duke is a Christian??
57 posted on 09/04/2006 2:18:56 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Junior_G
You can try to dodge it, but the thematic undertones of your posts are clear.

Eric Rudolph was a terrorist and Jews were persecuted in Europe for over a thousand years. That's an undeniable truth. That these people claimed to be good Christians is neither my doing. Nor is the fact that they weren't good Christians my fault. If you want to criticize me for reminding your that terrorists can claim to be Christians, that's your choice. If you want to accuse me of bashing Christians based on my criticism of Rudolph et al, then you are using the reputations of over a billion innocent and God-fearing Christians in order to defend anti-Semites, murderers and terrorists.

Eric Rudolph's name is typically invoked by people who want to equate the scourge of thousands of Muslim terrorists with the relatively insignificant non-threat of the one Christian terrorist they can think of.

I mentioned Eric Rudolph's name because you seem to think that "Muslim" means "terrorist" and vice-versa. Erick Rudolph was clearly a terrorist and he was not a Muslim. Nor was he a "relatively insignificant non-threat" during his reigh of terror. He did, after all, bomb the Olympic games.

It's one of those "b-b-but Christians are just as likely to commit violence as Muslims" things.

If that's how you want to see it, that's your error. I think the numbers prove you wrong.

58 posted on 09/04/2006 2:28:04 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: mariabush
Whatever makes you think that David Duke is a Christian??

Nothing makes me thin that David Duke is a Christian. What worries me is that he thinks that he's a Christian and so do his followers -- and the more uninformed among his critics.

Similarly, what makes you think that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a Muslim?

59 posted on 09/04/2006 2:30:18 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
Need I bring to your attention that Christians (For being
Christians) are being MURDERED right now in Chechnya,
Bangladesh, Nigera, Iraq, Egypt (El-Kosheh), Pakistan , Sudan and even
New Jersey.

Want the gory details?
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/country_info.php?PHPSESSID=81889cece1fd8b0b614459da116afee3
60 posted on 09/04/2006 2:33:30 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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