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Germany rules out military option for Iran
china view ^ | 2006-09-05 | na

Posted on 09/04/2006 3:37:51 PM PDT by Flavius

BERLIN, Sept. 4 (Xinhua) -- German Chancellor Angela Merkel said there is "no military option" for handling Iran's nuclear program, her spokesman told reporters here on Monday.

"The chancellor has expressed the view that there is no military option," Ulrich Wilhelm said, adding that "the door for negotiations remains open."

The U.S. leaders have said repeatedly any option would not be ruled out in dealing with Iran's nuclear program as they insist that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.

But Iran has said its program is for peaceful purpose, refusing to comply with a UN directive that it cease uranium enrichment by Aug. 31.

Senior diplomats from Britain, France and Germany will meet their counterparts from the United States, Russia and China in Berlin on Thursday to discuss the Iranian nuclear crisis.

European Union chief diplomat Javier Solana is expected to hold talks with Iranian negotiators this week. Enditem


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; germantroops; germany; iran; irannukes; merkel; nukes; unres1696
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1 posted on 09/04/2006 3:37:52 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Good to know we can depend on our friends.


2 posted on 09/04/2006 3:38:44 PM PDT by America_Right (People should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of the people.)
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To: America_Right

fair weather


3 posted on 09/04/2006 3:39:56 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: America_Right

She knows that either Israel or the US will take care of the problem, so why say otherwise. Typical European.


4 posted on 09/04/2006 3:39:59 PM PDT by Perdogg (My friends say I should act my age - What's my age again?)
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To: Flavius
In other words, let Iran get the bomb - we're too frightened to stop the end of the world.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

5 posted on 09/04/2006 3:40:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Flavius
"The chancellor has expressed the view that there is no military option," Ulrich Wilhelm said, adding that "the door for negotiations remains open."

Fine, but what, precisely, do they intend to talk about? Iran will have nuclear weapons. If the only issue is what the Germans will give them anyway, then why negotiate at all?

6 posted on 09/04/2006 3:43:24 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Flavius

Wow, has Europe become neutered, or what? I'm almost certain that Japan would have taken some sort of action against N. Korea by now if we didn't impose so many restrictions on them after WWII.


7 posted on 09/04/2006 3:43:26 PM PDT by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: Flavius
BERLIN, Sept. 4 (Xinhua) -- German Chancellor Angela Merkel said there is "no military option" for handling Iran's nuclear program, ... adding that "the door for negotiations remains open."

Down the road what this means is: We know we had better not attack you. Therefore you get the bomb and we negotiate what we have to do so that you won't attack us with that bomb.

8 posted on 09/04/2006 3:47:59 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Billthedrill

"Fine, but what, precisely, do they intend to talk about? Iran will have nuclear weapons." particularily if germany sells them more technology.

If they all continue to talk, sure as tomorrow morning Iran will be fully armed. Then, possibly, there will be no tomorrow.


9 posted on 09/04/2006 3:49:07 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Flavius

Why do we spend time and energy, not to mention money to bribe ("incentive")? One way or another, they'll get nuclear ability. Those money to bribe perhaps will be better spent to develop a good defense system that will protect US, and perhaps some allies. If the EU wants to keep bribing people, let them do that.


10 posted on 09/04/2006 3:50:06 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: edpc
"Wow, has Europe become neutered, or what? "

You ain't seen nothing yet. Think about how they will roll over to Iran once Iran does get the bomb.

11 posted on 09/04/2006 3:50:57 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: paudio

Forgot another point: if we're still concerned that a rouge country may develop nuclear weapon, just bomb the reactor at the end, the way Israel did to Iraq.


12 posted on 09/04/2006 3:51:46 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: himno hero
"If they all continue to talk, sure as tomorrow morning Iran will be fully armed. Then, possibly, there will be no tomorrow."

Tragically funny.

13 posted on 09/04/2006 3:52:08 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Flavius

They don't want to blow their bunker business since Iraq is no longer paying.


14 posted on 09/04/2006 3:52:35 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: Flavius

They are still smarting from WWII. Will they support a boycott of Iranian oil and support sanctions?


15 posted on 09/04/2006 3:53:49 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Flavius
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16 posted on 09/04/2006 3:54:50 PM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: Flavius
If there is not military option then there is no need to talk. If there is no jail option then there is no need to catch criminals.
17 posted on 09/04/2006 3:54:57 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Normal4me

WWII ended 60 years ago. Angela Merkel was born in 1954. They better figure it out soon.


18 posted on 09/04/2006 3:57:13 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Perdogg

You are exactly right. Israel will never allow Iran to have the bomb regardless of what Kofi, Mark Malloch-Brown, Russia, China and the euroweenies say.


19 posted on 09/04/2006 3:59:24 PM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Flavius
Wondering if this is because the Iranians claim that the Holocaust never happened.

The Germans, after all, were responsible for the Holocaust.

Maybe the Germans secretly appreciate the denial.
20 posted on 09/04/2006 4:02:20 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Flavius
>"German Chancellor Angela Merkel said there is "no military option" for handling Iran's nuclear program"

Shure there's a military option Chancellor Merkel.

It's called the Berlin=Nagasaki option. With the option of Munich=Hiroshima soon to follow.

Well if you allow an insane Murderous religious zealot to obtain nukes those are your options.

Choose wisely Chancellor Merkel! Or bow in servitude to slimism!

21 posted on 09/04/2006 4:09:40 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl! *-0(:~{>)
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To: Flavius

The question no one asks is- has Iran ruled out a military option?


22 posted on 09/04/2006 4:33:32 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Billthedrill

Germany will negotiate the precise nature of dhimmi status and how many will be permitted dhimmitude.


23 posted on 09/04/2006 4:34:47 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Flavius

Speak for yourself, Chancellor.


24 posted on 09/04/2006 4:36:51 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: arthurus

Iran has somehow bought out Germany here. Another thread also mentions that Total (France oil company) will be working with a Japanese country to develop Iranian oil fields. So while the socialists all want agreement on Kyoto, they are working with Iran to obtain more and cheaper oil. As part of the deal, they are to oppose military action against Iran. The only one who will not be suckered into this arrangement is Israel because their very survival depends on it. While everyone here continues to hope for internal Iranian opposition to take control, the longer this goes on the less likely it seems. Someone is going to HAVE to take military action.


25 posted on 09/04/2006 4:38:52 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Flavius

In the European sense, this is not only a policy statement, but a declaration of fact. What could Germany possibly do militarily to Iran? Indeed, barring French and English nuclear weapons, what could all of Europe combined do to force a military settlement?

I very much doubt that all of the European navies combined could open the Straits of Hormuz against Iranian opposition.

So if you are stuck on a European solution, then it is true. There is no military option.


26 posted on 09/04/2006 4:41:28 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Perdogg
She knows that either Israel or the US will take care of the problem, so why say otherwise. Typical European.

Similar to how Canadians can be opposed to Missile defense. Because they have the luxury of doing so. It sings to the lefties yet politicos know, in the end, someone else will do the heavy lifting that needs done.

In so doing, Germany is trying to avoid Iranian nuclear materials landing on German soil. Sorta like how Morton Downey Jr. met his demise on Natural Born Killers, he sympathized with them and expected quarter but in the end, they did him anyway.

27 posted on 09/04/2006 4:43:56 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Normal4me
"They are still smarting from WWII."

Yes.

'" Will they support a boycott of Iranian oil and support sanctions?"

I don't think Europeans want to make any sacrifices at all either for domestic or security purposes. Their only recourse is to hope and pray everything can be fixed by diplomacy.

28 posted on 09/04/2006 5:04:52 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Flavius
Caving in won't make any difference, Angela. Germans are still considered Infidels.

At least for now...

29 posted on 09/04/2006 5:08:53 PM PDT by Gritty (Native Europeans are the new Jews of the European continent - Mark Steyn)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

I agree with you. Sadly, the world is tired of war and are willing to take their chances.


30 posted on 09/04/2006 5:09:35 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Flavius

Germany is waiting to lock up its "Oil for Food-the Sequel" options.

Glad we spent 50 years protecting their ass on our dime.


31 posted on 09/04/2006 5:09:38 PM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: stm
Dang, if the same mindset ruled the roost during WWII:

Today, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill ruled out a military landing at Calais. "I know we want the Nazis to believe we are landing there. But we are in fact planning to land at Normandy."

Field Marshall Rommel could not be reached for comment. Aides were trying to revive him after reading about Churchill's comments.

32 posted on 09/04/2006 5:12:56 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: johniegrad
'Someone is going to HAVE to take military action."

If Israel can't or wont do it, we may have to learn to live with a nuclear Iran. I have already started trying to accept it. We may be able to put some sanctions on Iran and do some things to put pressure on the Iranian government through the dissidents in the Iranian public. I think Bush will do all he can short of military action. Doing that and also keeping his focus on Iraq and getting it cleaned up before he leaves office are about all I expect because the military option is very, very dicy for Bush to do.

33 posted on 09/04/2006 5:24:53 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Flavius

This is an innocuous statement on its face aimed at a domestic audience entirely. What exactly is Germany supposed to do about iran? Fly in their B-2s and drop bunker busters?


34 posted on 09/04/2006 5:31:05 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

only if we fail to act


now


35 posted on 09/04/2006 5:34:57 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: arthurus

and still they will fail themselves


36 posted on 09/04/2006 5:37:26 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

President Bush will stop Iran from having a nuclear bomb, period. We will go to war with Iran next year, it will be a massive air campaign to destroy their nuclear facilities, and lot of their military infrastructures and command.


37 posted on 09/04/2006 5:37:58 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: dirtboy

Field Marshall Rommell was actually at his home in Ulm, Germany celebrating his wife's 50th birthday when we hit Omaha Beach. He had to rush back to the coast but it well past the point of stopping the invasion.


38 posted on 09/04/2006 5:41:30 PM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: Flavius

Golly, I was sure they were going to send a few Panzer divisions. (sarc)


39 posted on 09/04/2006 5:44:12 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: jveritas
"President Bush will stop Iran from having a nuclear bomb, period. We will go to war with Iran next year, it will be a massive air campaign to destroy their nuclear facilities, and lot of their military infrastructures and command.'

I am all for it. But it sure better be massive because we cannot afford to mess it up. Plus I think before he does attack, if he does, there must be a thorough discussion in the public square of the consequences to America at home and abroad. Because bombing Iran could trigger terror attacks here at home, attacks on Israel, $100.00 a barrel oil and so forth. Plus would he have to get permission from congress? I don't know if he could muster the support he needs to order an attack. I just don't think it is a given that he will bomb Iran.

40 posted on 09/04/2006 6:05:54 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Perdogg
"She knows that either Israel or the US will take care of the problem, so why say otherwise."

- I believe that the President is on record as offering the ICBM missile defense system to European countries after it has been tested. If I were Bush, I'd suddenly discover "budget constraints" that, regretfully, will not allow the US to follow up on this offer.
If Germany is worried about Iran launching a nuclear strike - let them develop their own defense shield. We will offer encouragement from the sidelines.
41 posted on 09/04/2006 6:07:53 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2

I agree. We should move out of old Europe.


42 posted on 09/04/2006 6:09:53 PM PDT by Perdogg (My friends say I should act my age - What's my age again?)
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To: Flavius

Merkel is either a retard or else is scum. I assume scum. Just as with Iraq, "ruling out" military action makes military action more likely. The krauts are simply too cynical, selfish, atheistic and materialistic to be of any use to anyone. To hell with them. Good beer, though.


43 posted on 09/04/2006 7:31:50 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: America_Right; Flavius; Perdogg; goldstategop; Billthedrill; rogue yam; edpc; ...
NEWSFLASH!

I just phoned with the German government Press Office. They´ve told me that Chancellor Merkel said "that she knows nobody who wanted a military option at the moment". So she HAS NOT SAID that she rules out military actions. She follows the German official policy, putting all the pressure on the diplomatic stage, so that a military engagement may be prevented. Germany stands united on this issue with the EU and the US, and with its friend Israel.

From my view, the news agencies have concluded things from her words she never said.

For confirmation contact:
The Press Office of the Federal Government +0049 180 272 0000

44 posted on 09/05/2006 6:05:18 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

You phoned them ?

Good move.

Besides, what do people expect ? That she'll stomp her feet and declare war on Iran ?

Get sober folks.


45 posted on 09/05/2006 6:25:32 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge
I know they are held back by the German merchants that deal with the Middle East and their lefties. They will all run to stop Iran at the brink of disaster. I just wonder who gets the nuke first?
46 posted on 09/05/2006 7:40:52 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: Michael81Dus

Michael,

I know you are German and I appreciate your initiative in contacting the Chancellor's office.Please understand that the remarks that follow are not directed to you personally, but are my observations.

In my opinion, the correct response from all governments allied with us should be that the military option is not off the table. That says a very different thing from that there is no military option at this time.

The UN and the EU are taking no concrete steps at this time to make Iran stop their progress toward getting a nuclear device. When they get one, it will be used against Israel and US interests, either here in the US or abroad.

That means me and my family are at risk directly. Having lost three people on 9/11/01 that I knew, you'll have to forgive me if I take Iran's posturings seriously.

Having protected you and yours on our dime for over fifty years entitles me to want to have a more aggressive posture by the German government to Iranian stonewalling and outright deception.

Talking time is over. The question is when we will strike. Now, or later, when it will be much more costly in terms of human lives on all sides.

Iran is a boil that has to be lanced. What I am seeing from European governments is typical head-in-the-sand, and hope the US solves the problem. We can't even get the EU countries to staff a measly 15,000 soldiers for the Lebanonese peacekeeping force. We have eight times that just in Iraq.

Michael, I'll level with you. I am sick and tired of paying for everyone's else's security, and no reciprocation. If the European countries were more forceful, Iran might back down. But they have you all cowering, and they continue their bluster.

In the US, you either confront evil or you have live under its boot. The latter is unthinkable to free men.


47 posted on 09/05/2006 8:23:23 AM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: exit82

The German position is that military options are not off the table! Just at the moment. This is still the time of talk. I understand that the impatience, but you can be sure that neither the EU, Israel or the US will accept a nuclear-armed Iran. So, I fully trust our leaders that they´ll stop Iran in time, and we can hope that this can be achieved by diplomacy. If diplomacy fails (the deathline hasn´t passed yet), the necessary steps will be taken, with or without the approval of Russia and China. NATO has acted once against the UN (1999), it can repeat that. There´s no dispute between Merkel and Bush on Iran.


48 posted on 09/05/2006 8:29:44 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

Wow you impress me. And glad to hear it about Germany.


49 posted on 09/05/2006 9:19:44 AM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Flavius
It's also been reported that Chad, Sierra Leone, Upper Volta, Monaco and Iceland have also ruled out military action.

And the net effect of all of this is zero.

Thanks, George C.
50 posted on 09/05/2006 9:22:20 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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