Posted on 09/05/2006 7:14:23 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
While I persoanlly have no opposition to decent non-Christians serving in our government, I would like to ask: What did the Founders have to say about this issue? Can you quote them?
This fundamentalist Christian sure will be active in debate. I will not allow the people who are social liberals in the Republican Party, claiming to be conservatives just because they believe in lower taxation (which I do too), have all the say so. There are many articles posted on these pages that demonstrate that our government and nation is going into the moral and ethical sewer under BOTH of the major parties. It affects the course of life and liberty of my children and grandchildren!
You had no facts to repudiate. And this claim of yours, "The belief in God is written into all of the documents used to begin this nation", well I think you should read the Constituion. No such enumerated belief exists.
Here's your choices Dave:... How would you choose?
Did he mention that moderate Bill Nelson went into space as a sitting Congressman while he was Chairman of the Space Science and Applications Subcommittee to allow NASA to incur favor and suck up to him for appropriations money?
He should still be in prison for such criminal graft.
Good answer, Highball.
Nothing will ever satisfy the Kool-Aid drinkers, though.
I want the Republican to win. But if Harris is to win, then she needs to overhaul her campaign.
I don't think she will, though. She'll run the same lousy campaign, and when she gets slaughtered in the general election, it will be our fault for not genuflecting at her feet. Very sad.
I'd vote for a liberal Democrat before I ever again vote for a Fundie.
Fundamental Christianity is NOT conservatism. Quite the opposite, in fact.
This is just another great example of Christians attempting to use government to enforce their dogma.
I'd like to hear all about this. Please enlighten me, and be sure to talk specifics, not generalities. Christians comprise the vast majority of government officials in virtually every jurisdiction in the country, so you should have a million stories about Christian government officials imposing their religion on the rest of the people. Especially, please let me know about anyone who's been forced to attend Christian worship services or forced to otherwise worship Christ, or any atheists or members of non-Christian religions who've had to tithe out of their income to a local church.
Where has the persecution happened? Who were the victims? Who were the perpetrators? Please tell me so I can stand up against this unconstitutional scourge of theocracy.
I direct my request in post 547 to you as well.
In the environment of the day, in a time when men had been debating the role of God in government for decades, in a nation whose founding document declared that rights were endowed by a Creator, in a convention stuffed full of Christians framing a document for a nation that was 95% Christian or more, such an enumeration would be unnecessary. It would be like beginning every sports page article sabout NASCAR with a detailed account of how the internal combustion engine works.
Really, sir. I don't feel the need to prove to you the history of Christianity's intrusion into government. I don't think I need to explain that the many examples of this through history can be seen in the Crusades, the Inquisition, & the persecution of Galileo.
If you would like recent American examples of Christians imposing their religion through government, how about school prayer, prohibition, intelligent design, and Dominionists. There are even several minor ways Christians have imposed their dogma through government... Blue Laws, for example. I can't buy a bottle of Crown on Sundays. I can't buy a car, either.
Is Christianity as influential as it was when it ruled over Kings like celestial monarchs? Nope, and that's how we want to keep it.
We live under the Constitituion of the United States. The Declaration is relevant in history, but is inapplicable to modern government.
The Declaration did not establish a government, it merely dissolved the bonds with our mother Monarchy. The Constitution makes no reference to God and THAT was intentional, good sir.
No, of course you don't. You have hysterics, BS and the victim card, why would you need proof?
The funny little Blue Laws comment is pretty funny, too. Oh, the horror!
I noticed you ignored everything else. Typical.
The idea that the Declaration is irrelevant to the laws of this nation is as moronic as a Christian saying the Bible has nothing to do with Christianity or an atheist saying the laws of nature have no meaning. One might as well say that Locke had no influenc on the Constitution because he wasn't at the convention, or say Lenin didn't know anything about Marx. One wonders whay these guys were so keen on praying during the convention if they were so worried about God's followers having too much influence on American government.
My NASCAR analogy stands. Feel free to provide me with a Founding Father's writings that say "We didn't mention God in the Constitution because we were afraid of fundies" or anything else remotely like it. I think you'll be looking for awhile.
It amazes me that people are more concerned about the "harm"(/sarcasm) done to students by a few minutes of prayer uttered at the beginning of the school day, than drugs and sex in the schools.
"Really, sir. I don't feel the need to prove to you the history of Christianity's intrusion into government."
Considering the construction materials used in your dwelling, perhaps you shouldn't chuck that rock around so much.
I would venture that anyone who thinks that school prayer was any real imposition is someone who hasn't read the policy of the school system that O'Hair sued in '63. It was about as compulsory as buying a pack of gum.
Bounced him from out of the sun...fun starts in post 547.
I have not once denigrated your religion, merely the tendency that the people of your religion can't mind their own damn business, especially on social issues.
"The idea that the Declaration is irrelevant to the laws of this nation is as moronic, blah, blah, blah...."
It is irrelevant to modern government. The Declaration made no laws and formed no government that exists today. It was simply an exercise of natural law to declare independence from a tyrannical government. Our courts do not declare if something is "Declarational," correct? No, sir. Only the Constitution matters and it doesn't mention God or Christianity or even a generic deity.
My NASCAR analogy stands. Feel free to provide me with a Founding Father's writings that say "We didn't mention God in the Constitution because we were afraid of fundies" or anything else remotely like it. I think you'll be looking for awhile.
Yeah, that about sounds like the intellectual Feats of Strength a NASCAR fan would come up with.
I already listed at least seven reasons why she couldnt win. That is my beef with her. Rather than stand aside and let someone that could win against a weak Dem she felt a higher calling.
So she said only Christians should be elected.
So??? How would you feel if she said only Southern Baptists should be elected? Or just Methodists? Or just Muslims? Is she going to support Mitt Romney, a Mormom, if he becomes the Republican candidate for President. What if Norm Coleman (A Jew) is added to the ticket as Veep, would she boycott the ticket. What a dumb and pandering thing to say from someone you folks claim is a straightshooter.
Christians do not impose their beliefs on people, we just serve to remind you that there is right and wrong, good, and evil in this world.
ROTFWL!! How about banning sales of Playboy magazine at your local 7/11 or attempting to force programs they dont like off the air rather than just switching the channel? How about sticking your proverbial nose into the Schiavo case? Preventing the exploration of embryonic stem cell research in this country. Oh and how about forcing school systems in Kansas to teach that God created the world in a literal seven days and that evolution is a hoax.
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