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How Lincoln Chaffee Won (US Senate GOP Primary-RI)
Hotline/National Journal (subscripton only) ^ | September 13, 2006 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 09/13/2006 9:11:40 AM PDT by gopwinsin04

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To: ER Doc

I don't believe any of you who are complaining understands the simple fact that if Laffey had won the seat would have been lost to the Democrats. I dislike Chafee as much as anyone but if it means the loss of control in the Senate to vote for a more conservative candidate then I'll opt for keeping control until the demographics of the State change.


41 posted on 09/13/2006 11:06:07 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: moose2004


His has been a Chafee seat for 30 years. I guess it's part of the trust fund.


42 posted on 09/13/2006 11:07:01 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: T. P. Pole
It makes no sense for dems to cross over for Chafee if the Democratic nominee would blow away Laffey, as I understand would happen.
43 posted on 09/13/2006 11:08:33 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: LexBaird


You vote for Arnold.


44 posted on 09/13/2006 11:08:45 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: T. P. Pole
If I read this right, he won because he got 20,000 dems to cross over to vote for him.

I was informed last night, that Independents can and did vote in the GOP primary.

45 posted on 09/13/2006 11:10:40 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: catholicfreeper

The lesson is Santorum and Bush helped Specter win in tyhe primary in 2004. Specter then turned around and bashed them both. In 2004, there were "Kerry & Specter" signs all over the state. Now Specter is all but openly campaigning against Santorum. he's on the board of organizations actively campaigning against Santorum.


46 posted on 09/13/2006 11:15:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Waywardson
Sure - 40+ years of a 'Rat-dominated Congress really gave conservatives a boost.

You'd better re-read your political history. Conservatives have yet to succeed in rolling back any part of the welfare state (other than welfare reform).

Let me just give you one current issue: Iraq

If you want to live with the fallout of another retreat in disgrace and ingominy a la Vietnam then by all means stay home or vote 'Rat.

You want our soldiers and government officials indited and prosecuted by the ICC ? You want our foreign policy dictated by the Kyoto Protocol and the UN ? You want socialized medicine, gay marriage, and homosexual education pushed in schools a la Caliufornia ?

Sure, then, by all means vote 'Rat or stay home - same thing.

47 posted on 09/13/2006 11:19:17 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Dansong
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse (money-benefits) from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years."

The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic (1776) By Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish professor of history at Edinburgh.

48 posted on 09/13/2006 11:22:01 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: gopwinsin04

If Laffey beat Chaffee, is it probable that Laffey would beat the Dem. in R.I.?


49 posted on 09/13/2006 11:22:22 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Waywardson

Oh please! The NRSC protects incumbents, as it should.

I didn't care who won, either way, we wound up with someone who makes Specter look like Helms (either Chafee or Whitehouse, lets face it, Laffey would be lucky to get 40%), but it's stupid to blame Dole. Coleman or whomever else would have done the same thing.


50 posted on 09/13/2006 11:30:50 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: muleskinner

Virtually impossible. R.I. went 60% for Kerry, and almost 66% for Gore. The only reason Chafee is around is because of his father, who was a R.I. institution.

Laffey was behind something like 55-25 against the D in most polls.

That said, Chafee really isn't more conservative then the D. A lot of people say that, and they are virtually always wrong. There might not be a BIG ENOUGH difference to suit their taste, but there is usually a large difference in how they vote, even between someone like Snowe and whomever runs against her. But in this case, it's literally true. Chafee isn't with the majority of the caucus on ANY major issue, and he's threatened to leave the party in the past.

The only thing he's done right is not to fillibuster judicial nominees. He still votes against them, but he doesn't vote for a fillibuster.


51 posted on 09/13/2006 11:34:20 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: onyx
You vote for Arnold.

Tell you what, onyx: you vote for who you want in the Mississippi Statehouse. I'll do the same here in California.

52 posted on 09/13/2006 11:34:54 AM PDT by LexBaird (Another member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/NWO/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination!)
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To: zbigreddogz
So True Believers want Laffey to win, only to lose to the Dem by 20 pts. in R.I. and lose another seat to the democrats in the Senate.
53 posted on 09/13/2006 11:36:32 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Waywardson
...I'd rather give the Dems the whole Senate than continue to destroy "Conservatism" in the name of "he can win".

Then you're an idiot, and don't give a damn about your Country. If you can't have it your way, you won't have anything. Just stay home on election day. Please.

54 posted on 09/13/2006 11:38:47 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: LexBaird


I think I'll vote for Arnold.


55 posted on 09/13/2006 11:39:16 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: nickcarraway

I would be curious about more info about Specter campaigning or working against Santorum. If true that is troublesome. That being said just because he is on certain boards in my view doesnt make him really campaigning againist Santorum. I think it comes down to some specifics and I would be interested in that. For instance if Specter sits on the board of lets say "planned Parenthood" I dont think that could be classifyed as campaigning aginst Santorum. Just like if Santorum sits on lets say on the board of "right to life" that means he is campaigning against Specter or Snowe.

To be honest I am pretty impressed that Spectre despite his leanings has been pretty fair as to his pledge to be fair on the Judicary committe. I was impressed with his performance during the SC nominations for instance. You might be right that he is campaigning against Santorum secrtetly but it is the first I have heard of it. It would seem that he above all people has a big vested interest in keeping the Senate Republican


56 posted on 09/13/2006 11:48:50 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: muleskinner; All
If Laffey beat Chaffee, is it probable that Laffey would beat the Dem. in R.I.?

No. More like impossible.

With a GOP majority in the Senate (as in the House), the Republicans can set the agenga. Holding your nose and voting for the RINO in the general election is a smart idea. Losing on principle is an act of insanity.

57 posted on 09/13/2006 11:55:36 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: nickcarraway


Where did the rest of Chaffees votes come from?

You tell me.


58 posted on 09/13/2006 11:57:38 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: zbigreddogz

Well said. Time to move on and unite behind the party. I have a severe dislike for Tancredo and have needless to say huge misgivings about Graf in Arizona. But good gosh I am praying and hoping that both of them win in the general for the sake of the whole party and the Country.


59 posted on 09/13/2006 11:59:03 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: onyx
I think I'll vote for Arnold.

Mississippi can't afford him.

60 posted on 09/13/2006 11:59:26 AM PDT by LexBaird (Another member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/NWO/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination!)
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