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Israel facing war crimes charges
Jerusalem Post ^ | 9/13/6 | AP & JPost.com staff

Posted on 09/13/2006 3:28:34 PM PDT by SmithL

Israel's war with Hizbullah guerrillas opened the door to accusations on both sides of war crimes. But can anyone be prosecuted?

Israeli aircraft and artillery killed more than 850 Lebanese during the 34-day conflict, most of them civilians, and left a moonscape of ruin.

Hizbullah pummeled northern Israel with thousands of rockets that killed 39 civilians among the total Israeli war dead of 159.

Now human rights groups in Lebanon are collecting evidence that could be used in cases filed under a legal principle known as universal jurisdiction, which says that war crimes are so serious they can be prosecuted anywhere, not just where they were committed.

The UN has harshly criticized Israel's use of cluster bombs in the last days of the conflict.

The world body's humanitarian chief Jan Egeland last month called the cluster bomb attacks "completely immoral."

Hizbullah also is open to war crimes allegations for deliberately targeting Israeli civilians with their rocket barrages, but no one is known to be preparing a dossier to prosecute leaders of the Shi'ite group.

Amnesty International has also called for a comprehensive, independent and impartial inquiry to be conducted by the UN into violations of international humanitarian law by both sides in the conflict.

The inquiry, according to Amnesty, should examine in particular the impact of the conflict on the civilian populations, and should be undertaken with a view to holding individuals responsible for crimes under international law and ensuring that full reparation is provided to the victims.

Israelis are also are more likely to be caught in other countries where they could be tried because they travel overseas far more than Hizbullah representatives.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev accused groups of "trying to exploit the legal system in some countries for an anti-Israel agenda."

He confirmed that Israel has a team working on how to deal with the possibility of overseas prosecutions.

"It is unfortunately an ongoing problem," he said. "We spoke to several governments in Europe.

We see this as a cynical exploitation of the legal system and we hear from many governments that they agree with our assessment."

Kate Maynard, of the London law firm Hickman and Rose which has in the past represented Palestinians in cases against Israel, said groups already are compiling evidence in Lebanon of alleged Israeli war crimes because it is the only way such offenses will be prosecuted.

"There is impunity in Israel," she said. "The only place they will be tried is outside Israel."

She declined to give any details of the groups or the cases they were working on and would not say if her firm was involved.

"It is not going to be quick," she said. "Any credible legal work is going to have to be put together slowly and carefully."

The most likely course of action for groups seeking to have people prosecuted is for them to gather evidence and prepare it in a dossier that could then be translated and tailored for several different countries' legal systems, experts say.

That way, if a military officer or government official were found traveling overseas, the groups could rush the dossier to local prosecutors and urge them to file charges.

"You have to get somebody while they are traveling or rely on (the) complicated and difficult ... process of extradition," Maynard said.

Since 2000, several European countries including Britain and Belgium have given war crimes cases "momentum across the continent," Human Rights Watch said in a recent report on universal jurisdiction.

Last year, Doron Almog, a retired Israeli general, refused to get off a plane in London after he was tipped off he was about to be arrested by British authorities over a 2002 air strike that killed a Hamas leader and 14 others, nine of them children. He flew straight home.

As well as the hurdle of getting Israeli suspects in custody, Prof. Terry Gill, an international law expert at Utrecht University, said there likely would be a lack of political will among European countries to launch prosecutions as they begin sending troops to bolster the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon, UNIFIL.

"The success of UNIFIL depends on a number of things, including cooperation from the Israeli army," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; israel; terrorattacks; warcrimes
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Anything Israels does to defend itself is considered a war crime.
1 posted on 09/13/2006 3:28:35 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I say Israel declares war on any country that lays a finger on one of its citizens traveling abroad and makes it known beforehand that they are keeping the nuclear option open as well.


2 posted on 09/13/2006 3:31:49 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: SmithL

Every Islamist captured was abused.


3 posted on 09/13/2006 3:33:22 PM PDT by Red6
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To: SmithL

apparently it is illegal for war to be hell.


4 posted on 09/13/2006 3:33:40 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123

War is no longer PC. Ask a Democrat-


5 posted on 09/13/2006 3:34:20 PM PDT by Red6
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To: SmithL

All the bodies wore the uniform of Hezb'Allah. Case Closed


6 posted on 09/13/2006 3:34:38 PM PDT by MrEdd (The easiest way to LIE with statistics is to use the average instead of the Median.)
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"Hizbullah also is open to war crimes allegations for deliberately targeting Israeli civilians with their rocket barrages, but no one is known to be preparing a dossier to prosecute leaders of the Shi'ite group."
7 posted on 09/13/2006 3:35:06 PM PDT by sandra_789 (.)
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To: sandra_789

Call me when Rwanda and Darfur are mentioned.


8 posted on 09/13/2006 3:36:53 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("For seven million extra, we could have avoided a billion dollar WOT.")
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To: SmithL

From whom. pray effing tell.


9 posted on 09/13/2006 3:38:36 PM PDT by Solamente (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out...)
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To: SmithL

It is all an excuse to bar the Jews from Europe. They are all indictible as war criminals now, I'm sure.


10 posted on 09/13/2006 3:41:07 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: The Blitherer

Europe is trying to sneak back aboard the judenrein boat. Make them all indictible for war crimes.


11 posted on 09/13/2006 3:42:26 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: SmithL

Fine. Isreal should counter-sue Lebanon for allowing Hizb'Allah to set up for six years. Isreal should be awarded double whatever the settlement is for Lebanon.


12 posted on 09/13/2006 3:43:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Visualize dead terrorists!)
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Isn't Jan Egeland the same guy who called the US "stingy" after the tsunami?
13 posted on 09/13/2006 3:47:52 PM PDT by CremeSaver (I don't repeat gossip, so listen carefully.)
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To: SmithL
The antisemitic International Court of Criminals is hard at work building illegal claims against those who defend themselves. Hague needs to go the way of Carthage.
14 posted on 09/13/2006 3:49:46 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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How many of the dead lebonese were terrorists? Since the enemy of Israel was not wearing uniforms, and Israel went to great pains to contact civilians and tell them to evacuate before their attacks (one good way to ensure you miss the bad guys is to tell them "I'll be there in 20 minutes"), Israel is NOT guilty of war crimes. The lebanese government, and the fact that they allowed a terrorist group to wage a war against a sovereign country is guilty of crimes against its own citizens.

But those are facts, and a trial involving Israel will have no use for something as silly as facts.

Mark

15 posted on 09/13/2006 3:55:15 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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Now human rights groups in Lebanon are collecting evidence that could be used in cases filed under a legal principle known as universal jurisdiction
which says that war crimes are so serious they can be prosecuted anywhere, not just where they were committed.

Isn't it amazing the crap you can come up with when you are ignorant, young and delusional?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

How many divisions does this insane group have?
Who are their "enforcers"? The French?
* chortle *

16 posted on 09/13/2006 3:59:14 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: MrEdd

And a big second to your post.


17 posted on 09/13/2006 4:00:48 PM PDT by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: SmithL
Israeli aircraft and artillery killed more than 850 Lebanese during the 34-day conflict, most of them civilians

Of course they were all "civilians"!
Muslim Mass Murdering terrorists don't wear uniforms!

D'OH!

18 posted on 09/13/2006 4:00:55 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: SmithL
Now human rights groups in Lebanon are collecting evidence that could be used in cases filed under a legal principle known as universal jurisdiction, which says that war crimes are so serious they can be prosecuted anywhere, not just where they were committed.

A very frightening doctrine, even for a toothless (for now) organization like the UN to operate under.
19 posted on 09/13/2006 4:02:03 PM PDT by somniferum (Annoy a liberal.. Work hard and be happy.)
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To: SmithL

If lawyers are going to fight the future wars then give them guns and send them out. Otherewise, STFU.


20 posted on 09/13/2006 4:05:26 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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