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Old McDonald had a labor hassle (rumors of federal raids causing 'foreign workers' walk out)
© Copyright 2006, Messenger Post Newspapers. All Rights Reserved. ^ | 09/15/06 | Messenger Post reporter Julie Sherwood

Posted on 09/15/2006 8:32:02 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: Dane

BTW, ShillforIllegalscalledDane, when are you going to take a job doing anything other than shilling for illegals, instead of posting on a computer?
Mikey I ain't the one condemning and sliming the farmer getting his milk to market as you are.

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Condemning and sliming? How about tax evasion? Is that ok as well in your world. How about slave labor? OK with you? Maybe burning down the facilities of your competition? ALlthough illegal, it does increase demand for YOUR product.

ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL.


21 posted on 09/15/2006 8:53:46 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
We will just have to pay more.

Cry in your milk.


BUMP

22 posted on 09/15/2006 8:55:00 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I will pay more for milk until this settles out...and the un and under employed American 'poor' filters into these jobs...I have friends from certain underemployed social groups who resent the fact that it has been said (ie. V. Fox) that Americans of Color refuse to do these jobs. It is an insult to these Americans and to America in general..


23 posted on 09/15/2006 8:55:25 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: drypowder

He did say he checked papers and they had valid ones, although he admitted he couldn't be sure they weren't falsified.

It is true that legal immigrants get scared of being deported as well, and will run with their illegal brethren. It's a side issue for the main point here, but it is an issue.


24 posted on 09/15/2006 8:55:28 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: em2vn
You know the government politicos will never allow a living fair wage be paid to legal farm, ranch, meat factory workers.

Then the government would be forced to reduce to tax burden on us so we could actually pay for it costs to put the food on the table.

If money is ever taken out of the governments' budgets along with the politicians and department heads pockets, they collectively develop serious anxiety attacks with simultaneous upset stomachs, headaches, diarrhea, acid reflux, blurred visions, dry mouth, runny noses, and hemorrhoids.

.Any threat to their perceived power, which is equivocated directly to money, and government ceases to function one bit.

25 posted on 09/15/2006 8:56:16 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: All
This thread should be renamed,

"Old tancredo had an issue, e, i, e,i, oh
and with that issue he found politcal PAC pork
e,i,e,i, oh
With a snork snork here, snork snork there, here a snork, there a snork, everywhere a snork, snork, at the political money trough
Old tancredo had a politcal issue, e, i, e, i, oh.

26 posted on 09/15/2006 8:56:22 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
He went to the home of his Mexican workers, also located on his property, and found it empty.

So his slaves live on the plantation. Some things never change.

27 posted on 09/15/2006 8:57:27 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I don't think you are in a minority, I don't know of many who have a problem with a REAL guest worker program. The politicians have not come up with one yet though. 3 yrs is NOT a guest worker program. Path to citizenship is NOT a guest worker program. Bringing your whole family with you is NOT a guest worker program. Free medical care on the taxpayers back is NOT a guest worker program. Anchor babies is NOT a guest worker program.

When the politicians come up with an actual guest worker program that does not include amnesty of any kind, shuts down the border, and does not use the taxpayer to subsidize it you will see most conservatives get behind it.
Til then..............


28 posted on 09/15/2006 8:58:05 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Dane
"Why yes only in America could milking cows become a crime."

Sure it is!
When you use employees who provide illegal falsified documentation.

But then you already knew that Dane.

:)

Three words dane. Automatic milking machines.
29 posted on 09/15/2006 8:58:28 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

and which really CAN'T find workers in america to do the jobs

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And here we go with the LIES again. This is a bold face lie. Certainly he can find LEGAL employees as can ALL farmers. He just doesn't want to dig into his profit. If he can't make a profit without BREAKING THE LAW, then he needs to find another line of work or revampt his business plan.

This is such a BS argument. Why not add tax evasion or slave labor, then say "Hey, I can't make it without doing that". PURE BS


30 posted on 09/15/2006 8:58:29 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Brown is among a growing number of farmers experiencing the effects of stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws.

How now brown cow.

"We don't blame the ICE or Department of Homeland Security," said Julie Suarez, spokeswoman for the New York Farm Bureau. The problem lies with politicians who haven't addressed that "we need a viable guest-worker program."

There is already a visa in place to deal with this type of situation. To import unskilled and semi-skilled workers, the employer needs to apply for a visa on behalf of the workers. As part of the application process, he needs to obtain certification from the local Department of Labor establishing that they are unable to fill the positions using legal residents from the local labor pool at the prevailing wage for that kind of work. Yes, there is a lot of paperwork, and yes, the approval process is slow, but its not as if farmers lack a process for hiring foreign workers with a legal visa. The real problem is that while farmers may have difficulty hiring legal resident to work at $4.00 per hour 18 hours a day without benefits, they may have difficulty obtaining Labor Department certification if the prevailing wage is $12 per hour for an 8 hour day.

31 posted on 09/15/2006 8:59:33 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: taxed2death
Three words dane. Automatic milking machines

Fine, why don't you set an example and pay for them.

Afterall you from behind your computer know much better how to run a farm(akin to govt. beuraucrats)

32 posted on 09/15/2006 9:00:27 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Ol' McDonald hired illegal aliens, Eee, I, Eee, I O.
And on his farm they left their jobs, Eee, I, Eee, I O.
With an illegal worker here, an illegal worker there, here a felon there, a felon, everywhere a felon, felon.
Ol' McDonald hired illegal aliens, Eee, I, Eee, I O.


33 posted on 09/15/2006 9:01:19 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between parentheses)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Dane

You don't understand. The reason they do those jobs is because they are legal, they will get better jobs if they are legal. Or do you want to make indentured servants out of them? I am sure we could go to Africa or China or India and get some really cheap labor for these farmers, or maybe we should let them use under age kids?

On a separate note, am I the only one that thinks Dane is a guy that has his trailer house paid for and is living on disablility or some such. That is the type that is so anti-labor.


34 posted on 09/15/2006 9:01:48 AM PDT by calvo
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To: Dane
Mikey I ain't the one condemning and sliming the farmer getting his milk to market as you are.

If he's doing it illegally, I don't care how stand up he is, he's a CRIMINAL.

And you seem to be a willing accomplice to the act.
35 posted on 09/15/2006 9:02:24 AM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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To: calvo
You don't understand. The reason they do those jobs is because they are legal, they will get better jobs if they are legal. Or do you want to make indentured servants out of them?

Who put the gun to Jose's head and said, "you must milk cows".

36 posted on 09/15/2006 9:03:52 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: MikefromOhio
If he's doing it illegally, I don't care how stand up he is, he's a CRIMINAL.

And you seem to be a willing accomplice to the act.

Yes we must get that evil milk that was milked by impure hands.(rolling eyes)

37 posted on 09/15/2006 9:05:28 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
And their papers said they were legal. But you never know for sure, Brown said, echoing other farmers and the farm bureau itself.

Well, now he knows for sure.

38 posted on 09/15/2006 9:08:59 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
No the problem lies with with idiot who wants slave labor because he is too cheap to invest in milking machines!
39 posted on 09/15/2006 9:09:33 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Dane; All
"If Dane Only Had a Brain"

He could while away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain

And his head, he'd be scratchin'
While his thoughts were busy hatchin'

If Dane only had a brain.

He'd unravel ev'ry riddle
For any individ'le
In trouble or in pain

With the thoughts he'd be thinkin'
He could be another Lincoln,

If Dane only had a brain"..

sw

40 posted on 09/15/2006 9:09:41 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Free the Border Patrol)
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