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Brown is among a growing number of farmers experiencing the effects of stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws

And this is a problem...why?

Basically, the farmer is saying that he should be allowed to break the law.

Mark James, executive director of the Finger Lakes Office of the state Farm Bureau, said other problems stem from workers not coming to work because they've heard rumors of raids. He cited a recent case in which workers at a vegetable processing plant in Ontario County didn't show up one day because they heard of a possible raid. So the plant had to shut down, losing that day's production.

That's the whole point of deterrance, my friend.

1 posted on 09/15/2006 8:32:03 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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And milking machines were first patented in 1879, so it's not like it should be news to any dairy farmer anywhere in the world.


2 posted on 09/15/2006 8:35:54 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Why yes only in America could milking cows become a crime.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 8:37:10 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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"Brown said he’d been using Mexican workers since 1999, with no problems"

Gee, how were cows milked before 1999??

4 posted on 09/15/2006 8:41:18 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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How do cows get milked in Europe without Mexicans? And don't tell be Muslim immigrants, they're all unemployed per the MSM.

Illegal immigration has been the number one reason for wage stagflation in the United States.


5 posted on 09/15/2006 8:41:45 AM PDT by SampleMan
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Brown is among a growing number of farmers experiencing the effects of stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws.
Oh well..........
6 posted on 09/15/2006 8:43:03 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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We pay for the schooling of illegal aliens children and foot the health care costs for nearly all of them.
A nice subsidy for the farmers, forced onto the American tax payers.
It's time for farmers to pay the rate needed to hire American workers, and to push for more efficient equipment that reduces the need such labor intensive farming practices.


10 posted on 09/15/2006 8:45:56 AM PDT by em2vn
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If you can't make it without ILLEGAL labor, then you shouldn't be in business in the first place.


12 posted on 09/15/2006 8:46:37 AM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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Boo Hooo, sniffle, sniffle....

I have an idea. This novel idea has worked for generations. It also removes the fear of all your employees going to jail or deported, all at one time.

HIRE LEGAL EMPLOYEES


16 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:13 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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GREAT MESSAGE, hire illegals and run the risk of losing them all in one fell swoop! Oh yeah, he ought to be fined for hiring them as well.
17 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:39 AM PDT by drypowder
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I'm in a minority here, but I support a guest worker program for this reason. Canada has a program, which strictly controls the workers, forces them to go back to mexico after the growing season, and forbids them any "path to citizenship".

Under those guidelines, having a well-regulated program which tracked these workers, made them pay taxes, but brought them out of the shadows so they weren't paid less than what americans would get paid if they wanted to do these jobs, would solve a large part of the immigration problem.

What i mean by solve is this -- a lot of pressure to NOT crack down on immigrants is the farm lobby which uses this labor, and which really CAN'T find workers in america to do the jobs. If we provide a program for them that makes those jobs available to americans but allows importing temporary workers under strict control when americans cannot be found, we remove a large part of the political support for the stupid amnesty and other parts of the senate plan.

You could certainly implement a guest worker program in a bad fashion, but I don't think we should reject the concept just because it could be done wrong -- we should embrace the concept but done RIGHT. The other side has already sold the name, if we passed a program called "guest worker" that was for part-year employment and threw the workers out at the end of each employment season, the other side would have a hard time with the "wait, that's not what we really meant by "guest worker" argument.


20 posted on 09/15/2006 8:52:34 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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We will just have to pay more.

Cry in your milk.


BUMP

22 posted on 09/15/2006 8:55:00 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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I will pay more for milk until this settles out...and the un and under employed American 'poor' filters into these jobs...I have friends from certain underemployed social groups who resent the fact that it has been said (ie. V. Fox) that Americans of Color refuse to do these jobs. It is an insult to these Americans and to America in general..


23 posted on 09/15/2006 8:55:25 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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He went to the home of his Mexican workers, also located on his property, and found it empty.

So his slaves live on the plantation. Some things never change.

27 posted on 09/15/2006 8:57:27 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Brown is among a growing number of farmers experiencing the effects of stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws.

How now brown cow.

"We don't blame the ICE or Department of Homeland Security," said Julie Suarez, spokeswoman for the New York Farm Bureau. The problem lies with politicians who haven't addressed that "we need a viable guest-worker program."

There is already a visa in place to deal with this type of situation. To import unskilled and semi-skilled workers, the employer needs to apply for a visa on behalf of the workers. As part of the application process, he needs to obtain certification from the local Department of Labor establishing that they are unable to fill the positions using legal residents from the local labor pool at the prevailing wage for that kind of work. Yes, there is a lot of paperwork, and yes, the approval process is slow, but its not as if farmers lack a process for hiring foreign workers with a legal visa. The real problem is that while farmers may have difficulty hiring legal resident to work at $4.00 per hour 18 hours a day without benefits, they may have difficulty obtaining Labor Department certification if the prevailing wage is $12 per hour for an 8 hour day.

31 posted on 09/15/2006 8:59:33 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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Ol' McDonald hired illegal aliens, Eee, I, Eee, I O.
And on his farm they left their jobs, Eee, I, Eee, I O.
With an illegal worker here, an illegal worker there, here a felon there, a felon, everywhere a felon, felon.
Ol' McDonald hired illegal aliens, Eee, I, Eee, I O.


33 posted on 09/15/2006 9:01:19 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between parentheses)
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And their papers said they were legal. But you never know for sure, Brown said, echoing other farmers and the farm bureau itself.

Well, now he knows for sure.

38 posted on 09/15/2006 9:08:59 AM PDT by ikka
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No the problem lies with with idiot who wants slave labor because he is too cheap to invest in milking machines!
39 posted on 09/15/2006 9:09:33 AM PDT by Bommer
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We need a guest worker program for agriculture. Other than that we should build a wall and enforce employer sanctions with a verifiable SS number database. This will encourage illegals to self deport. But we need Mexican labor for our farmers and food processors.


43 posted on 09/15/2006 9:22:37 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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Tisk, Tisk, Tisk. The illegals aren't coming to work for fear of being caught. What shall we do. I'm just all tied up in a tizzy.

...Hmmmm...

Just say...NO...to Bush's/senate's sorry excuse for letting illegals into our country...


45 posted on 09/15/2006 9:23:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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Hey, I was walking down the street and this guy comes up to me and offers me a 54" big-screen plasma TV for $75 bucks... How was *I* supposed to know it was stolen?!??

Now I know those $6/hr workers had paperwork, how was *I* supposed to know they were forged?!?

Sure.

I do think there is a way to solve this. The govt should require a photo ID with an employee ID number be provided to employers when they hire. Then, they should have a website that allows the employer to put in the ID#, and see the picture on the card. Perhaps they can be required to put in their employer ID and P.I.N as well to prevent browsing the system.

That would do it. Forged docs would not match a photo/# screen like that.


52 posted on 09/15/2006 9:35:35 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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