This is a present best seller in Turkey. Note the Holy Father is scheduled to go there in November.
Posted on 09/16/2006 6:51:19 AM PDT by veronica
Since islam has no central authority that can speak for them, every individual moslem must therefore apologize for deliberately misunderstanding the Pope's remarks.
Muslim brotherhood can kiss my catholic butt.
Of course they're not happy. They weren't happy before they misconstrued his statements, and they wouldn't be happy if he knelt before them. I think they were just looking for an excuse, any excuse, to be 'upset with' the Vatican, since the Vatican had been sort of neutral with them. And now what? Jihad against the Church? Openly, at least, because - oops! - they're ahead of schedule on that, just ask the people, those still alive, in the Sudan or East Timor, to name a few.
"told Reuters..."
You know something that gets me, is how these news agencies seem to line up like guppies for the muzzie shark.
Every night, the same old drivel, the muzzies are mad, then we get to see the misspelled signs, or some kind of firebomb event, or God forbid, another head getting cut off.
And the media just go along with it! Complicit, IMHO.
I WISH PEOPLE WOULD READ WHAT THE POPE ACTUALLY SAID AND MAKE SOME ATTEMPT TO UNDERSTAND IT!!!
http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=94748
He WAS NOT DISCUSSING THE USE OF VIOLENCE FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES!!! He was not discussing Islam at all!!! He was discussing: "Faith, Reason, and the University" ... and stated as part of his conclusion that "...theology rightly belongs in the university and within the wide-ranging dialogue of sciences..." and that "... the world's profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions."
His final statement was, "It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures. To rediscover it constantly is the great task of the university." The "cultures" he was referring to had little or nothing to do with Islam - he was talking about the clash of "empirically verifiable" vs. "theology" cultures, as he earlier had said, "A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures."
He is being excoriated for using a quote from over 600 years ago "-- by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both.": "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." The Pope made clear he was quoting an ancient conversation. He made clear that this is NOT HIS words, but that of the Byzantine emperor, and that emperor then went on to make a "... decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: Not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature."
The last sentence was the whole point that the Pope was making during his whole presentation: Not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. It was one of his many starting points for his theological discussion of "Faith, Reason and the University", part of his conclusion being, "...We will succeed in [broadening our concept of reason and its application] only if reason and faith come together in a new way, if we overcome the self-imposed limitation of reason to the empirically verifiable, and if we once more disclose its vast horizons. In this sense theology rightly belongs in the university and within the wide-ranging dialogue of sciences, not merely as a historical discipline and one of the human sciences, but precisely as theology, as inquiry into the rationality of faith. Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today..."
The reaction to the very profound things the Pope said illustrates several things. One of them is that the people are completely incapable of understanding the profound, and that Western universities have fallen short in their education responsibilities, including in their education of the NYSlimes' reporters and their readers who can't bring themselves to acknowledge that they don't know everything. Another is this illustration that people should not be given access to specialized knowledge and discussion, whether that be theological, political, or scientific, without thorough and accurate filtering. Yet another, but by no means the final, is that biased people always misunderstand what even the finest communications expert says.
My take is the Pope's major point of this address is that ALL of the profoundly religious cultures whether they be Christianity, Islam, Jewish, Hindu, etc., should not be marginalized by being snootily looked at as a "subculture" not worthy of inclusion in the university environment, and that the university "culture" must engage in reason with the religious "culture".
Bingo.
Stop buying petroleum based oil as fast as you can. Go
veggie oil, natural gas(not from oil fields), ethanol,
solar, wind, hydrogen in any application you want.
Solarize your house to cut down fuel oil, natural gas
consumption. Use sola-tubes or ambient sunlight to light your
house.
Jimmah Carter (when he was somewhat lucid) said that the
Arab oil embargo was the moral equivalent of war. I believe
that's about the only time he was correct.
When we cut the oil use, the guys who control those countries
will be forced out of power by the starving masses
That's the apology? I would hope they deem it insufficient, since I'm reading it as "I'm so sorry that Islam's still a syndicate of smelly scimitar-swinging savages." LOL
Well, in all fairness, it wasn't about jihad alone, but it wasn't about secularism all alone, either. He started with an analysis of Islam's rejection of reason, support for coerced conversion, and different concept of God ("who could just as easily order idol worship"), and asked Muslims and other religions to dialogue on the basis of honesty about their positions.
It should be, as many have said, a golden opportunity for Islam to show that, contrary to 1400 years of appearances, it is not violent and repressive at root and core; but instead, it is determined to run forth and prove that it richly deserves all the negative things said about it.
The Pope's address was categorically not about Islam.
It's purpose was to address the divorce of theology from the university environment, and his belief that those two "cultures" had to engage in dialogue.
This is a present best seller in Turkey. Note the Holy Father is scheduled to go there in November.
An interesting point made in some other article was, apparently the converse is true in their world. You can kill Muslims by the bushelful, they just don't care. But insult their moon prophet, and they go batspi crazy in ways Howard Dean can only dream of.
Maybe we need to inflict on them fewer things that they do not fear (death, subjugation), and attacking them with things they do fear (insults, ridicule, and pig fat).
Why are these terrorists still breathing...
Those who have been ridiculed for observing that the encroaching notion that political correctness will prove to have grave consequences for those unlicensed to be offended ought to take some perverse pleasure in this global evidence that the oft-told lie or the unspoken truth will always result in our worst fears gaining the upper hand.
LOL, or a shrubbery
Isn't it just SURREARL how they
THRIVE ON VIOLENCE AND DEATH
and then just
RAISE TOTAL HELL
if anyone points out the fact that they are
EVIL and
THRIVE ON VIOLENCE AND DEATH and then they
RETALIATE with
VIOLENCE AND DEATH!!!!
2 Billion Christians, and 1 Billion of them Catholic, all the heavenly hosts and the communion of saints, I will bet on the Pope on this one.
Sure! I heard Michelle Malkin say it and she was spot on!
He didn't back down. He said that he is sorry they can't understand a simple argument.
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