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Reborn (Schiavo supporters may have been right.)
Guardian Unlimited ^ | September 12 2006 | Helen Pidd

Posted on 09/16/2006 8:44:44 AM PDT by Jawn33

Perhaps the last word should go to Pat Flores, the mother of George Melendez, the 31-year-old coma patient who reassured his parents that he wasn't in pain after taking Ambien, as zolpidem is known in the US. He was starved of oxygen when his car overturned and he landed face down in a garden pond near his home in Houston, Texas, in 1998. "The doctors said he was clinically dead - one said he was a vegetable," says Pat. "After three weeks he suffered multi-organ failure and they said his body would ultimately succumb. They said he would never regain consciousness."

He survived and four years later, while visiting a clinic, Pat gave him a sleeping pill because his constant moaning was keeping her and her husband, Del, awake in their shared hotel room. "After 10 to 15 minutes I noticed there was no sound and I looked over," she recalls. "Instead of finding him asleep, there he was, wide awake, looking at his surroundings. I said, 'George', and he said, 'What?' We sat up for two hours asking him questions and he answered all of them. His improvements have continued and we talk every day. He has a terrific sense of humour and he carries on running jokes from the day before.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: activism; ambien; doctors; medicine; schiavo; stilnox; zolpidem
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To: Jawn33

Maybe Michael Schiavo got wind of this.


41 posted on 09/16/2006 10:52:01 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Pornography kills.)
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To: Traveler59
How many here have had to walk that lonely path that Mike did

My aunt Wanda went into a vegetative state in 1962 giving birth to her second son. My uncle Bill did divorce her and get remarried... in 1984. He spent 20 years alone.

Michael Shiavo spent, what 2 years, before falling into bed with another woman.

Bill died in 2001, Wanda in 2002. Every single day he could, from 1962 to 2001, Bill visited Wanda in the Nursing Home and sat with her for uncounted hours. That is 39 years.

Michael first tried to kill Terri after 6 years.

Do I have some perspective on this? I think so.

42 posted on 09/16/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Traveler59

Typically in a court of law hearsay statements are not admissable. Only three people aknowledged hearing this statement from Terri, Michael, who stood to profit from her death, his brother and sister-in-law.

There were as many hearsay statements that contradicted what Michael was saying, and they had maintained that from the beginning, Michael changed his story when money became available.

I have read the court documents, just as I have read the court documents for Dred Scott, Roe v. Wade, and Kelo. I see yet another judge classifing a group of citizens as second class, based upon the flimisiest of evidence. It is important to take into consideration the representation each side could afford. Michael spent money intended for his wife's rehabilitation on legal counsel. Her parents weren't so dishonest and had significantly inferior representation.


43 posted on 09/16/2006 10:54:43 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Traveler59
Terri left NO WRITTEN wishes. The "evidence" of "her wishes" was hearsay. While she may (or may not) have made a statement along the lines of not wanting to be a burden on anyone should she become incapacitated when she was younger, Terri was older when her injury occurred. Her feelings may have changed about the issue. There is NOTHING anywhere, other than the testimony of the Schiavos themselves, to indicate Terri Schiavo would have wanted to be starved and dehydrated to death. Pages 5-7, the discussion of such testimony, in your link offer nothing concrete regarding her wishes.
44 posted on 09/16/2006 11:05:21 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I fully believed God blessed your Uncle Bill in ways unknown to others for his devotion to Wanda and for his selflessness.


45 posted on 09/16/2006 11:09:26 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Traveler59
Give me a break.

Terry made the decision? You have written proof of her wishes from her? You have video tape or audio recordings of her stating so? I think the answer is simply no.

What about the fact that there was some testimony contradicting what Terry had supposedly said? Do you think that it's really right or smart to error to the side of death?

The real fact of the matter is the deathocrats wanted Terry dead so that they could show that they had power over Bush and the Christian community. The libertarians wanted Terry dead so that they could show that they weren't like Bush or the Christian community.

The only testimony that the "kill Terry now" crowd was ever even interested in was the testimony from those who wanted her dead.

If you were to kill a dog in the same manner that Terry was executed, the state of Florida would consider it to be felony animal abuse. Think about it for a few minutes. A stinking dog means more than a human being.
46 posted on 09/16/2006 11:12:56 AM PDT by dbehsman (Libertarians make poor Humanitarians.)
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To: PleaseNoMore

Bill was a very blessed man. His second wife and his kids were a great blessing to him in this world.


47 posted on 09/16/2006 11:13:35 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: BibChr

Well said.


48 posted on 09/16/2006 11:26:03 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Repeal the 17th)
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To: Jawn33

WOW this just made my day!!!!! Good campaign material!


49 posted on 09/16/2006 11:30:09 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 44:5 "Put your HOPE in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.")
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To: BibChr
A lot of FReepers seem to have personal Schiavo-related issues, and will be along shortly to assure us that starving and dehydrating her to death was really a great and human Final Solution to the problem she posed.

Yep, they'll be here fast enough!! Thankful that this miracle has happened to show us that just because a person can't speak or communicate, they ARE most often aware.

50 posted on 09/16/2006 11:32:55 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 44:5 "Put your HOPE in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.")
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To: be4everfree
I just want to go on record "DO NOT UNPLUG ME"

me neither!!

51 posted on 09/16/2006 11:33:43 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 44:5 "Put your HOPE in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.")
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To: Moonman62
I thought they were Terri's wishes as MICHAEL STATED THEM.

Ahhh, you thought.....wrongly.

Please, I know this is a hot topic for a lot of people. Read the court ruling on this. You'll be amazed at what Terri said according to most of her family.

-Traveler

52 posted on 09/16/2006 11:39:24 AM PDT by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Traveler59

Do those prejudiced court rulings talk about the statements from Terri's family that told about her responding to them? Her attempts at communication? Probably not, Terri wasn't brain dead and wasn't comatose. She was murdered by her husband and the state.


53 posted on 09/16/2006 11:50:16 AM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: Traveler59

Yeah, some of us have read IT ALL and we are convinced that Terri should have been turned over to the people who loved her and wanted to care for her for the rest of her life. He obviously did not love her, having taken up with another woman and having had two children with her.

What about all of our military who are suffering brain injuries due to terrorist attacks in Iraq? Some of them have a life folks like you wouldn't consider worth living. Should the VA just start starving them to death???


54 posted on 09/16/2006 12:02:09 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: mockingbyrd
Always, always err on the side of life.

I agree. I think we should keep every "body" alive, no matter what condition, until there's some kind of miracle drug that may help them. I'm with you, Buddy.

55 posted on 09/16/2006 12:05:12 PM PDT by Hildy (I have two horses..their names? Snoopy and Prickly Pete.)
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To: Hildy

Death is inevitable, at times simply postponing it is cruel. There's a difference between allowing nature to run its course and actively causing death, such as by starvation.


56 posted on 09/16/2006 12:50:15 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: mockingbyrd
Death is inevitable, at times simply postponing it is cruel.

And therein lies the rub....who makes that decision? In our Country we have laws, and in the Terri Schiavo case, all the laws were met and upheld at every level.

57 posted on 09/16/2006 12:54:56 PM PDT by Hildy (I have two horses..their names? Snoopy and Prickly Pete.)
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To: Hildy

My Uncle Bill and my Aunt Liz were both on life support. Machines were beating their hearts and causing them to breathe.

As painful as it was, the choice was clear that they would be better off being removed from the machines. We ended life support for them.

My Aunt Wanda was in a vegetative state for 40 years. She was given food and water daily, but no machines kept her alive. To deny her food and water would have been to actively kill her.

Terri Shiavo was in the same situation as my Aunt Wanda, not in the same situation as Bill or Liz. She was not on life support. She was actively killed, not "allowed to die".

There is a huge difference and I have been up close and personal with both types of cases. One is allowing nature to take it's course, the other is killing someone by our actions.


58 posted on 09/16/2006 12:57:46 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

How old was your Aunt Wanda when she fell into the VS? Do you think she would have wanted to live 40 years like that? WOULD YOU?


59 posted on 09/16/2006 1:05:44 PM PDT by Hildy (I have two horses..their names? Snoopy and Prickly Pete.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
>> Michael first tried to kill Terri after 6 years.

I'm sorry, I have to correct you on that. He tried to kill her by denying her medicine for a urinary tract infection in 1993: three years after her unexplained injury, not six. He did this right after she was awarded $700,000 for her care and therapy -- he would have inherited the money, had she died, -- and he did it knowing that refusing to give her the antibiotics would kill her. All of this he admitted in sworn testimony.

P.S. Michael was taking the law into his own hands. It was decidedly illegal for him to deny medicine to Terri. The doctor and the medical facility refused to go along with it.

60 posted on 09/16/2006 1:06:31 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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