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Police Say A Ritual Preceded Cemetery Murder
WHO-TV ^ | 9/7/2006 | Kerry Kavanaugh

Posted on 09/16/2006 6:51:46 PM PDT by MockTurtle

WHO-TV September 7th, 2006--A report released by the Polk County Medical Examiner says that 18-year-old Matthew Stegman died from multiple stab wounds. He also suffered blunt force trauma to the head, arms, and chest. Now police say his murder may be tied to some sort of devil worship. Des Moines Police Sergeant Todd Dykstra said, "What investigators believe or know is that some type of ritual was performed prior to the homicide." That ritual was possibly performed by the five people police arrested and charged with first degree murder. All five were arrested at the same Des Moines apartment building earlier this week. Police wouldn't disclose if it waswhat they found or what suspects told them that lead them to believe this homicide could be tied to satanic worship. They also would not elaborate on the details of the ritual. Police did say the five people in custody planned to lure Stegman to the cemetery. Friends of Matt Stegman said they knew the five alleged killers and they said they even heard some of them talk about devil worship in the past. But they said Stegman, however, was not involved in any of that.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 1devilrulesthemall; crime; murder; religion; samedifference; satanismnotwicca; wicca; xfile
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To: MockTurtle

When I clicked on your link, this is what came up...

http://www.caltech.edu


41 posted on 09/16/2006 8:06:37 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: armourup
Jim Jones was NOT Christian....his theology was NEW AGE presented with Christian jargon.
ROFL!
He was an ordained minister in the Christian Disciples of Christ Church. Ronald Reagan and Lyndon Johnson were Deciples of Christ. Are you claiming that the Deciples of Christ are New Age?
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42 posted on 09/16/2006 8:09:36 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: PresbyRev

Very true, I know quite a few wiccans and they are vegans, they don't even want to kill animals for food.


43 posted on 09/16/2006 8:10:06 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: theDentist

The difference is, when Christians murder, it is in opposition to their faith. When Satanists perform death rituals, it is in furtherance of their "beliefs". Simple.


44 posted on 09/16/2006 8:17:35 PM PDT by prov1813man
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To: MockTurtle
What an absolute crock.

Wiccans are NOT the same as satanists, or any other sort of 'devil worshipers'. Most don't even believe that Satan exists.

Now, I'll admit that a lot of satanists have studied wicca, and have adopted and perverted some wiccan rituals, but that is about the only connection.

I've known hundreds of practicing wiccans, and the vast majority of them are kinder and gentler than the average agnostics and atheists and even a significant percent of people who call themselves 'Christians' (but aren't really) that I have known.

Wiccans may be a little odd, and misguided ("The Devil's greatest accomplishment was convincing the world he didn't exist.") ; but they (as a whole) are hardly evil.

45 posted on 09/16/2006 8:36:10 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: cyborg

title: Police Say Rituals Preceded Cemetery Murder.


46 posted on 09/16/2006 8:39:22 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: television is just wrong

Yeah. It's so far off from the actual title *LOL*


47 posted on 09/16/2006 8:40:33 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: yldstrk

We all need to take the PC Brainwashing and ram it down the garbage disposal. We need to judge people by their actions, and the heck with feeling good attitudes.

Time for America to awake and become a giant to be feared again.


48 posted on 09/16/2006 8:41:45 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: MockTurtle

I am Christian so I do not follow Wiccan beliefs. However Wiccans do not believe in Satan who they claim is a personification of evil invented by the Jewish and Christian religions. There is not an official Wiccan Catechism or an official coven registration site so there may be a great deal of variety in worship beliefs and practices. However for the most part Wiccans worship the goddess (different ones) and her consort the horned god. Their religion is nature based seeing the whole creation has having divinity. They are often very careful to distance themselves from Satanists. Most also follow the rule of three that says whatever you do to a person will come back to you 3 times.

I am not saying that a group of Wiccans would never commit murder. But I would be inclined to think that the motive would likely be the usual mundande ones of jealousy, money, love, and/or drugs and not the teachings of their religion.

I would also like to know who categorized this group as Wiccans? If the press gave them that label and they are really Satanists I can see ritual murder being more likely.


49 posted on 09/16/2006 9:31:58 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: MockTurtle

Skyclad no doubt.


50 posted on 09/16/2006 10:35:33 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: MockTurtle

BTTT


51 posted on 09/16/2006 10:39:03 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: armourup

Satanism flourishes where alcoholism, drug abuse, and apathy are common. The community I grew up in had a large number of satanists. It's a sick religion for sick people in a sick community.


52 posted on 09/16/2006 11:02:23 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: MockTurtle

Police Say A Ritual Preceded Cemetery Murder (Wiccans)


53 posted on 09/16/2006 11:10:43 PM PDT by restornu
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To: MockTurtle

Uh, dude, that link is to a Cal Tech page, not the Des Moines Register.


54 posted on 09/17/2006 7:02:58 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: prov1813man
The difference is, when Christians murder, it is in opposition to their faith. When Satanists perform death rituals, it is in furtherance of their "beliefs". Simple.

That is an excellent point and nicely stated. The danger of Wicca is that it is not just harmless enviro-worship. "White magic," "casting spells - making people perform to your will," wearing the pentagram opens up kids to black magic and satanism. G.K. Chesterton said something when you turn away from God, you start believing in anything and everything.
55 posted on 09/17/2006 2:35:45 PM PDT by MockTurtle
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To: knightofchaos

But if proven true, this was a Wiccan ritual, not some Wiccan who happened to commit a murder.


56 posted on 09/17/2006 7:10:27 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
"But if proven true, this was a Wiccan ritual..."

Which bears a strong resemblance to ritualistic Masonic penalties for revealing their secrets.

57 posted on 09/17/2006 7:13:44 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: MockTurtle
Wicca has nothing at all to do with worshipping Satan.

Only ignorant fools think so.

L

58 posted on 09/17/2006 7:15:34 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: CWOJackson

Have you ever heard of someone being killed for revealing Masonic secrets?


59 posted on 09/18/2006 5:02:30 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

That's why they're secret.


60 posted on 09/18/2006 5:47:07 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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